The Dark Knight Rises 'Social Network' Actor Lands Role in 'Dark Knight Rises'

[Secret Fawful]

any thaughts on the possibility that bane could be ra's son? ....no ???

 

[Rodrigo90]

Apparently Bane and Talia are going to be lovers. Damien's dad is HIM!?

 

[HUMANIMAL]

you know...in the comics the origin story is different ...maybe they change that in the movie cause talia wont appear....

 

[HUMANIMAL]

ok i see no need to think about this question;-) if we even get a backstory for bane or not is another one...

 

[Frontier]

I'm starting to wonder if JGL's character is Carmine Falcone from 30 years ago. Or maybe Thomas Wayne from 30 years ago...?

Maybe Talia will be re-written to be Ra's wife rather than daughter?

 

[Rodrigo90]

Maybe Talia will be re-written to be Ra's wife rather than daughter?

Hell no. Only 20th Century Fox would do that for an X-Men movie.

 

[the Wankstar]

Apparently Bane and Talia are going to be lovers. Damien's dad is HIM!?

Thats barely better than whoever said Ra's would be Bruces real dad which would just make Damien even more gross

 

[Godzilla2014]

any thaughts on the possibility that bane could be ra's son? ....no ???

Hell no. Ra's Al Ghul has a paternal mentor relationship with Bruce because he has no biological son, so he trains Bruce with the intent of making him his successor.

 

[The Joker]

No, it's not the same at all. If Talia is included, it is simply adding details that were previously not covered. Probably because it was not relevant.

SM3 and Scream 3 took details from the first films and rewrote events which drastically altered history that was clearly laid out. There is nothing in Ra's one line that precludes the existence of an extended family. Not to the point that it comes off as a deus ex machina.

Yes, it is the exact same thing. Nothing in Spider-Man 1 and Scream refuted what was added to Spider-Man 3 and Scream 3. We never actually saw Uncle Ben get shot by the blond car jacker. Billy Loomis never stated how he found out his father was having an affair with Maureen Prescott.

So TDKR bringing in a daughter that Ra's never mentioned is exactly on the same lines as this. The only reason I'm not condemning it yet is because I don't know what Nolan is going to do with it yet.

But just looking at it from what was said in Begins, Ra's was comparing his loss with Bruce's, and how his anger nearly destroyed him when he lost his wife like Bruce's did when he lost his parents. But with Bruce he had no family left in the world. If Ra's has a daughter, then you would think she would have eased that anger because he still had someone to love and live for.

 

[Pagan]

Hell no. Ra's Al Ghul has a paternal mentor relationship with Bruce because he has no biological son, so he trains Bruce with the intent of making him his successor.

Or he wanted him to marry Talia and continue his bloodline. Like in the comics. Talia continues her father's plan. She seduces Bruce. Becomes pregnant and then disappears at the end only to drop the kid off with a good family at the end of the film. Bruce doesn't know the kid exists.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

That's your interpretation of that scene, not mine.

Well, how would you interpret the scene? Do you think Ras is havinga simple campfire chat with Bruce, and giving him the lowdown on his family background? And so that's why Talia not being mentioned means ret-con madness?!
Because to me, it reads simply as classic cult indoctrination, make the person feel like they are in the only place in the world that would understand them, and give them a means to deal with their pain. Then at the end of the process , when you have them brainwashed as much as possible, tell them they now have the joyous honour of joining the cult leaders harem of 42 wifes, or in this case, have the honour of killing some crook.
It's easy to say Talia was not relevant to that convo, as he wanted Bruce to feel he was as alone and without family as Ras was.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Or he wanted him to marry Talia and continue his bloodline. Like in the comics. Talia continues her father's plan. She seduces Bruce. Becomes pregnant and then disappears at the end only to drop the kid off with a good family at the end of the film. Bruce doesn't know the kid exists.

I think that, if Talia existed, that Ra's al Ghul's plan would be both, like in the comics. I was disagreeing with making Bane Ra's al Ghul's son.
My question about Talia is what place does she fit into The Dark Knight Rises?

 

[HighFivingMF]

Let's stop tip-toeing around what people are actually thinking: Will he have the Ra'stache?

 

[Dr. Jackstraw]

Let's stop tip-toeing around what people are actually thinking: Will he have the Ra'stache?

He better have it. Neeson's was pretty amazing.

Another interesting question is whether we will see Ra's with his wife or after he lost her. That will change the dynamic entirely.

 

[redhawk23]

I know I sidelined my question by ending my post with a ben joke the first time I asked it, but I really am just wondering: How do people expect a flashback that takes place seemingly decades ago to possibly involved Ra's training Bane? This is a possibility I've seen some people discuss and it simply doesn't make sense to me. I mean how old is Bane? Isn't he just a few years younger than Bale?

 

[Dr. Jackstraw]

I know I sidelined my question by ending my post with a ben joke the first time I asked it, but I really am just wondering: How do people expect a flashback that takes place seemingly decades ago to possibly involved Ra's training Bane? This is a possibility I've seen some people discuss and it simply doesn't make sense to me. I mean how old is Bane? Isn't he just a few years younger than Bale?

Exactly. That's why I can only see Ra's as some type of diplomat or a spy for the League, trying to free prisoners, Bane being one of them.

...or perhaps Ra's ends up in the prison after his wife dies (like Bruce traveling with criminals), and he witnesses Bane as a child being imprisoned. This would make his almost genocidal actions in BB more understanding. First-hand, he sees the cruelest injustice and can do nothing about it.

 

[Nevincer]

I know I sidelined my question by ending my post with a ben joke the first time I asked it, but I really am just wondering: How do people expect a flashback that takes place seemingly decades ago to possibly involved Ra's training Bane? This is a possibility I've seen some people discuss and it simply doesn't make sense to me. I mean how old is Bane? Isn't he just a few years younger than Bale?

Perhaps, assuming Neeson was lying about not returning, this dude just appears for a brief scene expressing interest in Bane when he's still a child growing up in jail. We then jump a few years into the future, with Neeson (or maybe someone else playing Ra's) actually training Bane when he's a young man. Or heck, maybe it will still be Josh Pence... after all something that bothered me in Begins was the fact that when Bruce was a kid, Mr. Earl, Alfred, Loeb and even Gordon were -all- played by the same actors, some of them without any attempt to make them look any younger, but that didn't seem to be an issue for Nolan then so I don't see why now. I'm willing to bet the flashbacks don't only go back 30 years ago, in any case, unless it has nothing to do with Bane in the first place which sadly is a possibility.

 

[robthorn24]

Let's stop tip-toeing around what people are actually thinking: Will he have the Ra'stache?

This is all that's been on my mind. t:

 

[the Wankstar]

While its more likely Pence will only have a short 5 minute type scene i am curious if maybe the incredible opening will be similiar to Batmans mid-air capture of Talia in Hush. Pence will be the new Ra's (if you buy the name theory) and he'll send Bane after her or something similiar too that. Basically his casting is true but the flashback stuff is nonsense. Idk just throwing a bone out

 

[KRIM]

Yes, it is the exact same thing. Nothing in Spider-Man 1 and Scream refuted what was added to Spider-Man 3 and Scream 3. We never actually saw Uncle Ben get shot by the blond car jacker. Billy Loomis never stated how he found out his father was having an affair with Maureen Prescott.

How integral were the plot points involving Uncle Ben and Billy to their first films? Now what significance does rewriting/adding onto that history later on, do to the perspective of the characters and events that were affected? It flips it entirely on its side, does it not?

I've not found a decent argument that could apply the same to Ra's/Talia. More on that later.

So TDKR bringing in a daughter that Ra's never mentioned is exactly on the same lines as this. The only reason I'm not condemning it yet is because I don't know what Nolan is going to do with it yet.

But just looking at it from what was said in Begins, Ra's was comparing his loss with Bruce's, and how his anger nearly destroyed him when he lost his wife like Bruce's did when he lost his parents. But with Bruce he had no family left in the world. If Ra's has a daughter, then you would think she would have eased that anger because he still had someone to love and live for.

I want to get a better handle of this. You would willingly accept Bruce has no family and is "alone", in spite of having a close and stable relation with Alfred? And when Rachel is still out and about, who is someone he clearly loves? Apparently it wasn't enough for him to stay in Gotham. He sought out meaning to his angst, because the people around him weren't capable of filling that void. It doesn't mean they don't exist and it doesn't mean their is no compassion both ways.

For whatever reason this is refused when applied to Ra's. The only reason Ra's could be so focused on a selfless mission, the only viable means that he would be so emotionally secluded, is for him to literally and physically -- be alone. There is no room for interpretation; that is a blatant disregard for human behavior and is a black/white mentality in a world full of grays. As someone who has dabbled in the clinical health psychology academics for a few years now, this is absolutely baffling that I have to actually write that out. I would think most people have at least a fundamental understanding that our own unique dispositions are shaped by complex mechanics.

If you can find that short clip of Ra's lamenting on YouTube, go ahead and test it out on those who have no knowledge of the canon. Show it to them and simply ask, "this clearly and definitively implies he has no family, right?" Leave no room for possibilities. See what answers you get. I can guarantee you'll get a universal answer.

 

[BigEggo]

im very interested to know if the plot is linear or not this time round.nolan is not exactly a massive fun of linear story-telling (memento,BB,the prestige,inception all flick back and forth in time)

 

[Rodrigo90]

Well I never thought it made sense...

WHY THE HELL WOULD RA'S POSE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AS HENRI DUCARD IN FRONT OF BRUCE?

WHY WOULD THERE BE SO MUCH SECRECY AND IMPORTANCE FOR JUST THE ONE PERSON?

So Im willing to believe in the sense that he has a daughter and doesnt give a rats ass about her,and prefers obsessively training strangers and being secretive about his identity.

Maybe Bane has always been with Talia as her bodyguard,I dont know.

 

[sly]

im very interested to know if the plot is linear or not this time round.nolan is not exactly a massive fun of linear story-telling (memento,BB,the prestige,inception all flick back and forth in time)

I think that's why people assumed a Two Face flashback cameo wasn't out of the question. Seems like the story will definitely be jumping around, but I'm more curious if it's going to jump around to the BB or TDK story line? Maybe we'll see all the characters again in some capacity?

If not, the Ra's flashback at least makes sense, especially since Talia (the daughter - not wife) is in the movie (yes, say that with me) and the LOS obviously plays some type of role (most likely showing up at the very beginning to establish Bane/Talia, or at the end during a big reveal).

 

[Nevincer]

Well I never thought it made sense...

WHY THE HELL WOULD RA'S POSE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AS HENRI DUCARD IN FRONT OF BRUCE?

Did he train with Ra's for several years? I know he went missing for seven years traveling around the world to understand the criminal mind, but I don't think the training with Ra's took longer than a few months at most. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Well I never thought it made sense...

WHY THE HELL WOULD RA'S POSE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AS HENRI DUCARD IN FRONT OF BRUCE?

WHY WOULD THERE BE SO MUCH SECRECY AND IMPORTANCE FOR JUST THE ONE PERSON?

So Im willing to believe in the sense that he has a daughter and doesnt give a rats ass about her,and prefers obsessively training strangers and being secretive about his identity.

Maybe Bane has always been with Talia as her bodyguard,I dont know.

I think Ra's al Ghul posed as Henri Ducard and used a doppleganger to prevent him from being targeted for assassination.