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This is how the haters sound to me:


"NOOOOO!!!! NO!!!!! SHUT THE F*** UP YOU STUPID PR***! NOLAN IS A F***ING HACK! I HATE HIM! I WISH HE WOULD RIP HIS OWN ENTRAILS OUT AND SHOVE THEM INTO HIS EYEBALLS! AND IF YOU LIKE HIM WITH YOUR ROTTEN LITTLE MOUTH YOU ******ED JACKASS, THEN I WANT YOU TO TEAR OUT YOUR OWN EYES, SQUISH THEM, EAT THEM, THEN BLEED YOUR BRAIN JUICE INTO YOUR OWN MOUTH UNTIL YOU CHOKE. RARGHY BARGHY RARGHY!"

I dunno, maybe I'm overreacting, but I find them to be really unsettling.
 
I have to say I'm excited by this piece of news. Can't wait :)
 
I dont agree with all the negativity regarding TLOS.

Come on guys. It is the last Nolan Batman film,and he's trying to make it go out with a bang as much as he possibly can,and has he ever let us down before?

I say we accept and enjoy every little thing that we see and hear about this movie. :up:

No one, no matter how good they are is exempt from critique. Sure he's given us two excellent bat-films and that deserves a level of trust and the benefit of doubt on alot of stuff, but we are still free to criticize :yay:

That being said im far from negative on the idea of a returning LOS, as long as chris manages to come up with a compelling story that matches up as a worthy sequel to tdk. then im happy.

on another note, with the idea that Bruce was meant to be Ra's heir of sorts, and that Talia will most probably make her way to the film, and if we are to fall in the camp that joseph gordon is alberto falcone. Add in the possibilty of reference to the storyline that Catwoman/Selina is carmines biological daughter. With the main themes of the previous two films being Fear and Chaos respectively. Could the theme of the 3rd film be Legacy? I think it would be quite cool if they got linus roache as Dr Thomas Wayne.
 
This is how the haters sound to me:


"NOOOOO!!!! NO!!!!! SHUT THE F*** UP YOU STUPID PR***! NOLAN IS A F***ING HACK! I HATE HIM! I WISH HE WOULD RIP HIS OWN ENTRAILS OUT AND SHOVE THEM INTO HIS EYEBALLS! AND IF YOU LIKE HIM WITH YOUR ROTTEN LITTLE MOUTH YOU ******ED JACKASS, THEN I WANT YOU TO TEAR OUT YOUR OWN EYES, SQUISH THEM, EAT THEM, THEN BLEED YOUR BRAIN JUICE INTO YOUR OWN MOUTH UNTIL YOU CHOKE. RARGHY BARGHY RARGHY!"

I dunno, maybe I'm overreacting, but I find them to be really unsettling.

Sad, but true(although you've exaggerated a little bit...that last part's hilarious though :awesome:).
 
My idea for the story if this ends up being true is this.

At first we go back to when Bane is a young child, maybe 10 years older then Bruce. 30 years ago. A boy in prison or a poor part of Europe. Ra's takes this boy (Bane) and begins to cultivate him to be the leader and the dark knight that fights evil (which is what LOS really was just misguided...and too extreme) Bane was a great asset. But all of a sudden you have Ra's see great potential in Bruce Wayne, not only could he be trained as well, with his family connections he could do even more to destroy/rebuild Gotham.

So Bane is cast aside. Then fast forward to present day. Bane has been wanting to break the Batman, destroy the man that took him away from his seat of power and maybe (took away his love Talia but I'll go into that later on) So now you have this man who is waiting patiently for hte past year or so to find the moment to strike Batman and personally show the world that he is Batman and he can break him....sounds a lot like Bane to me. Just with a connection to the other story to give him more reason for his drive to want to be better then Batman. And why he wants to be Batman in a sense.

Other then the beginning and maybe some of the love of Talia, the LOS really does not have a main role except for the flashback. It's destroyed.

That is how I see it, one man wants to Break the Bat.

It's not essential for it to be like that and it could easily be changed the other way around.

I think Bane will be the main villain. I mean they announced Bane and Catwoman first and foremost. They usually announce through press releases the major characters, not so much the minor ones. It would be like Zsasz being announced first then later saying Ra's is the main villain.

I think that Ra's (young) and Talia (if she is in it) will be a minor character, and Bane will be the main force in this film.

Hrm. Well, I suppose it's possible, though I'm not really partial to it. I think the core problem is that Bane being cast aside doesn't sound right. Ra's wouldn't just shut out a warrior of that level because he found someone else. It would better serve Ra's to have as many skilled generals as possible, right?

Moreover, there's a time issue--when did would Ra's have said "Well, Wayne's the better choice, so I don't need Bane." Ra's couldn't know that Wayne was as brilliant as he ended up being when he found him in the prison; he almost certainly went there just to find another soldier. It was likely through their training together that he determined Wayne should lead--and if Bane was the previous candidate, where was he during this time?

Still, the same sort of questions come up for Talia, so I suppose anything could happen. I'm sure there's a way to write around it, though I'm not sure I like how much it would change Bane's origin.

Now that we know there's a story taking place in the past to be told (which is the case with a lot of Nolan movies), it's a really complex puzzle to try and sort out.

It's probably fair to now assume Bane's connected to Ra's family somehow. Personally, I'm trying to work out a way for this to play out that is good for Bane--and that's difficult. I'm concerned about his role. Talia's inclusion is probably a safe bet, too--though it's not a given, I suppose.

If I were to start throwing out completely random ideas, well, one possibility is that Talia isn't a villain at all--and that Bane is as much after her as he is after Batman. He could be an old enemy of the Al Ghul family, or Ra's could somehow be related to why Bane spent his life in prison. Indeed, Ra's could even be the father for whom Bane is serving his sentence. Alternatively, Bane could be the one to lead the League if Talia doesn't care to follow her father's footsteps--if the League still exists at all.

I wonder if perhaps neither Bane nor Talia have roles that involve the League itself. Right now, everything I can think of sounds as absurd as it does possible. Like I said, between Bane, this new information, and the rumours about Talia, well, this is hard nut to crack--especially in a way that has satisfying roles for all the characters. I think they've got their work cut out for them.

Wait and see, I guess.

I tried to do the same thing, in attempting to conjure a history that would weave together Bane and the Al Ghul family, yet not necessarily make Bane a member of the LoS (although it seems we're on the path to that). If you check the first few pages in here, you'll find one of my posts regarding my initial thoughts. Since I kind of wrote it in haste, however, I figured I'd flesh it out again here (plus, it's fun to try to be creative in such a free, yet strangely restrictive situation):

As has been mentioned several times in this thread, there is some speculation that the "great love" Ra's speaks of in Begins is connected to this whole flashback stuff. My idea was to have Bane's father responsible for the death of Ra's' wife. Bane's father, who is a notorious criminal and violent man, commits a slew of crimes, one of which is murdering Ra's' wife. As Ra's mentions in Begins, he sought vengeance, and was successful. In short, Ra's kills Bane's father. But that wasn't good enough. The man had wronged too many people, and murdering him wasn't enough; justice is balance, and there needed to be something else done. So, Ra's arranges for Bane, a child, to be imprisoned in order to serve the remainder of his father's crimes. In this backstory, both Bane and Talia would be young children, roughly Bruce's age (young Bruce, that is).

Bane, now essentially a prisoner for life, longs for nothing but revenge. He makes himself the absolute best he can be, because he knows he will need to be at the peak physical and intellectual perfection to take on the League by himself. And so time passes, as such a feat is not accomplished overnight. But then, there are rumblings. Whispers. Rumors. The League has a new warrior. The League is mobilizing. Finally, Bane learns of their demise, at the hands of a mysterious new figure in Gotham City. Bane learns of Batman and his methods and ideals, and comes to obsess over the Dark Knight. All those years of training and biding his time to exact his revenge have been wasted; someone beat him to the punch. As such, he turns his attention strictly onto Batman. He wants to know what he is, who he is, and why he exists. He wants to destroy him. He wants to break him. And then he escapes.

Obviously the details there are a little foggy towards the end, but I'm sure the blanks can be filled in with some interesting stuff. As I said, it's merely a creative solution to the issue of trying to tie Bane and Ra's, but without changing Bane too much. The father/prison origin are still in tact, as is his personal perfection, as opposed to learning from the League (although the League is the reason Bane pushes himself so far - he needs to better than all of them). Where Talia fits in all of this, however, I'm not sure.

There are a few things that I find really interesting about it, in terms of the mirroring of Bruce and Bane. Here's a bit of a convoluted list:

Bruce comes from Gotham's favorite family. Bane comes from one of ???'s (location, wherever) most hated families. Bruce's parents are murdered by a petty criminal. Bane's father is murdered by a criminal mastermind. Ra's rescues Bruce from prison, and Bruce reaches the peak of his perfection. Ra's puts Bane in prison, and Bane reaches the peak of his perfection. Bruce escapes the League with a purpose. Bane escapes prison with a purpose. Bruce kills Ra's, and Bane breaks Bruce.

As such, we get a really cool link here. Ra's is directly (and indirectly) responsible for the birth of both Batman and Bane. But it is the way in which he treats both men that causes such a divergence, essentially creating Batman and the anti-Batman. And so, two children, both born of notorious families and then orphaned, both with such paralleling paths embark on this almost pre-determined quest that unquestionably draws them to each other. Their destinies have been intertwined since before they could have possibly imagined, and everything is leading up to the point where their paths converge in a climactic meeting where one must rise, and one must fall. Everything in their lives has been leading to that moment.

Anyhow, that's just some of my rambling. I hope you enjoyed that, especially considering we both seemed to be on the same wavelength in terms of trying to analyze and deduce possible scenarios. This is my creative solution, and I kinda like it (as noted, I particularly like the further mirroring of Bruce and Bane). I think it would be pretty cool, but as with all of Nolan's films, I never try to expect anything of them, because I know he's going to do something I'll have never even considered. I trust that he will make it work. And I can't wait. :up: :up:

I don't get it. People wanted Joker returning (in spite of the fact that Heath is gone) but some how they're against he League because they were already used in a film?

Haha, this is true. :woot:

Now that I've been hearing these ideas, I like it alot more. I guess Pence is Young Ra's in this film. I will believe what I want and what the trades say. If they are wrong and I still believe it, I shall eat crow and won't be ashamed. I'm sick of alot of this stuff happening, so whatever I hear, and if it comes from a reliable news site like this, I shall believe it. We can deny and be suspicious all we want, but there is no pattern or experiences to rumors. They're either true or not. There's no forumla to it. "Oh, since this happens, no way that would happen." etc.

But I'm fine with the idea of The League being in flashbacks, maybe even Talia being in them. Hell, maybe Talia isn't in this. Maybe Cotillard is playing Ra's wife for all we know. But this is the point I'm trying to make. Trying to decide what to believe. I've been doing this for months. It's mind boggling and frustrating.

The main villain right now seems to be Bane, and I believe no matter what, he will be. Right now, I choose to believe in what Nolan's doind, and that's my choice. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. I'll be open and take whatever comes our way. Because this is getting frustrating trying to wrap my head around all these things.

This is truly a tough nut to crack. Let's wait and see what happens. We can't sit here and say, "Oh, why would he do that?" "No way he wouldn't do that." "I think he'll do this."

We have no ****ing way of knowing anything with this film AT ALL. So let's all stop pretending we do. None of us know the story, or have read the script. Speculating and throwing around ideas is fine. We may not like these ideas, but we haven't even seen the film. We aren't sure at all what will happen this far out. So let's just speculate and stop trying to sound like we're correct. Because we don't know anything other than a few official things. This young Ra's thing seems official, so right now, I will take it as such.

At the end of the day, it takes the right story and the right execution. We can have our opinions on whatever comes out, which is fine, but regarding these news and rumors, it's a different matter. I can admit when I'm wrong, as I would prefer to, so whatever happens, happens. If I'm wrong, fine. If I'm right, well that could be good or bad.
 
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Whoa, this news came completely out of left field! There's a few ways of how the flashback(s) could contribute to the movie so it's going to be interesting to see which direction Nolan will take with the story.
 
My favorite Batman movie is still BB,so i'm really happy with this full circle thing.
Glad to see more about ra's his past and how Bane will revenge him i think.
 
I love BB, and Ra's is one of my favorite villains. I'm excited to see what Nolan has in store for us.
 
On a completely serious note, if Talia is in the film, she should be portrayed as kicking all kinds of ass.

I figure Nolan conceptualized the Catwoman/Talia fight first. The rest of the movie is just there to set it up, ha!
 
Nobody has mentioned the fact that TDKR will include "flashbacks"...

what I mean is.... BB included a ton of flashbacks, TDK included NONE.

to a screenwriter, flashbacks add layer and complication to a story's plotting.

I'm excited to hear TDKR will have added depth to the plot, taking us from past, present, into the future... whereas TDK was completely linear.
 
And Nolan love non linear storytelling. So this flashback stuff isn't far fetched.
 
I dont agree with all the negativity regarding TLOS.

Come on guys. It is the last Nolan Batman film,and he's trying to make it go out with a bang as much as he possibly can,and has he ever let us down before?

I say we accept and enjoy every little thing that we see and hear about this movie. :up:

Agreed. All of the worrywarts need to stop criticizing and give Nolan the benefit of the doubt. Whatever the complaint is, they need to realize that it's all about execution, and out of all the Chris Nolan films I've seen (which is pretty much all of them) I've been given no reason whatsoever to assume he can't pull it off.
 
I'm slightly disappointed by the fact it pretty much confirms Ra's isn't immortal, but at least we'll get to see his back-story.
 
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I don't know why people seem surprised Ra's isn't immortal -- I always assumed it was just the name that was immortal and was given to whoever was in charge of the LoS. I'd lay even money on Ra's Al Ghul not being his original birth name.

EDIT: also...is it remotely possible JGL could be playing a young Thomas Wayne?
 
Miranada, it was very ambigious in Batman Begins. A lot of people (myself included) have interpented his speech to Bruce about "sacking Rome, and burning London to the ground" as a hint to his immortality.
 
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Miranada, it was very ambigious in Batman Begins. A lot of people (myself included) have interpented his speech to Bruce about "sacking Rome, and burning London to the ground" as hint to his immortality.

I suppose you could view it either way? I agree that taking away even part of the mystery isn't the best move, but if it works in the context of the film then I won't quibble about it.

Ryan Alan Seagull
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EDIT: also...is it remotely possible JGL could be playing a young Thomas Wayne?

Wow, Miranda, you say the most outrageous things. What a card you are! :woot:








Between you and me, that sound great! Shh...keep that a secret.:word:
 
At this point I'm like a kid who is hungry and is waiting for my mommy to finish cooking. I've had her food before and I know I like it so I just wait patiently until she tells me "Dinner is ready, come and get it!"
 
Liking the idea of Bane being Ra's original choice to replace him, could be that the romance between Talia and Bane was forbidden by Ra's thus forcing his hand to seek another - Bruce.
 
I don't know why people seem surprised Ra's isn't immortal -- I always assumed it was just the name that was immortal and was given to whoever was in charge of the LoS. I'd lay even money on Ra's Al Ghul not being his original birth name.

EDIT: also...is it remotely possible JGL could be playing a young Thomas Wayne?

I would be pretty surprised at this point if JGL isn't Alberto.

Miranada, it was very ambigious in Batman Begins. A lot of people (myself included) have interpented his speech to Bruce about "sacking Rome, and burning London to the ground" as a hint to his immortality.

Agreed, I enjoyed the way it was handled.

I guess this pretty much confirms Marion will be Talia which I had believed since day one of hearing her name. Just made the most sense since Marion has such a heavy accent. Some people were so adamant that Nolan would never revisit the LOS and so quick to dismiss the very strong possibility of Talia being in this film. Well, Nolan is indeed going there and I'm excited to see how this will all play out.
 
Wow, Miranda, you say the most outrageous things. What a card you are! :woot:








Between you and me, that sound great! Shh...keep that a secret.:word:

Hahaha, thanks raybia. :up:

I don't really think that is the case, but I thought it would be interesting. :woot:
 
I would be pretty surprised at this point if JGL isn't Alberto.



Agreed, I enjoyed the way it was handled.

I guess this pretty much confirms Marion will be Talia which I had believed since day one of hearing her name. Just made the most sense since Marion has such a heavy accent. Some people were so adamant that Nolan would never revisit the LOS and so quick to dismiss the very strong possibility of Talia being in this film. Well, Nolan is indeed going there and I'm excited to see how this will all play out.

Yes, I would be surprised to if JGL isn't Albero. Some fanboys(or girls) are so radical as to believe he could even be cast as a young Thomas Wayne. Wow!
 
At this point I'm like a kid who is hungry and is waiting for my mommy to finish cooking. I've had her food before and I know I like it so I just wait patiently until she tells me "Dinner is ready, come and get it!"

To add to this analogy, my mom made lots of meat loaf when I was a kid which I liked, but the ingredients that I saw go into it was enough to convince me that it would be a disaster, but wow how it all came together to deliver me something that was a satisfying and memorable experience.
 
Not sure why anyone would think that Nolans Ras Al Ghul would be immortal, i am pretty sure that is about as far away from being grounded in realism that you can be,not sure why anyone would think he would change that for one character.
 

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