The Dark Knight Rises 'Social Network' Actor Lands Role in 'Dark Knight Rises'

[jmc]

There are alot of good third parts, i think however, a proper perfect trilogy of films has yet to be made. Especially one where each film is it's own film, so not like the bourne films where every one is pretty much the same in tone and plot, just a little bit more improved, or lord of the rings where its pretty much one long movie split into 3 parts.

I'm also of the mind that the third film should always be the superior film in the series, Sure we've had some great third entries but how many of them have been superior to the first or second film. Indiana Jones came close, but the second film was pretty flawed in a lot of ways. Im sure alot of you can find good examples of a perfect trilogy (i think toy story is the closest)

I feel that Nolan's Bat-trilogy truly has the potential to create a truly great trilogy with his first two films being almost universally acclaimed (im sure there are a few who disagree) with both two wildly different films, both different in tone and structure, with only actors and a few plotlines to connect them. One an action blockbuster adventure film and the other a crime thriller/drama film. I can only hope that TDKR doesn't manage to derive TOO much from either one and becomes it's own entry that doesn't only match tdk but surpasses it (yes i sed it) I HOPE it does, despite all warnings that i may be setting my expectations higher, theres only one way for my expectations to go and inception didn't make it any lower, in fact it skyrocketed. Im expecting TDKR to be nolan's best film....no pressure or anything chris

Toy Story the closest?

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Ok, jmc I have read the post by Joker you pointed out that you think refutes my point, and here is my reply to that...

But just looking at it from what was said in Begins, Ra's was comparing his loss with Bruce's, and how his anger nearly destroyed him when he lost his wife like Bruce's did when he lost his parents. But with Bruce he had no family left in the world. If Ra's has a daughter, then you would think she would have eased that anger because he still had someone to love and live for.

But the thing is, Ras is not Bruce is he? Ras obviously has murder in his heart, unlike Bruce, so his threshold for destruction is lower, hence why his threshold for self descruction would be too.

 

[Brother Jack]

OR, Josh Pence could be in quick flashes that are as blink-and-you-miss-it as Guy Pearce's wife in Memento. The way that Nolan was able to bring atmosphere to such quick cuts actually convinced me that Jorja Fox gave a brilliant performance, when all she did was stand there, or sit there, or just look at us. It's extremely haunting, almost to the point where it will stay with you longer than some horror movies. It's like she's a damn ghost or something... and she's really only in the movie for less than a minute, if you think about it.

Josh Pence could literally be in this movie for 30 seconds with voiceover dialogue layered on top, and it would STILL be brilliant and effective to the story.

It's also very possible that he'll only be a couple of scenes, whatever impact they may have.

 

[Yurka]

I really hope Marion isnt playing his wife/or Talia isnt modified into being his wife.

 

[jmc]

Ok, jmc I have read the post by Joker you pointed out that you think refutes my point, and here is my reply to that...



But the thing is, Ras is not Bruce is he? Ras obviously has murder in his heart, unlike Bruce, so his threshold for destruction is lower, hence why his threshold for self descruction would be too.

Did you even bother to read the part I wrote referring to it being 'my interpretation' of the events?

 

[flickchick85]

I really hope Marion isnt playing his wife/or Talia isnt modified into being his wife.

I agree. I'd prefer her not be an Al Ghul at all, tbh. But if she IS, then I'd definitely want her to be Talia. If Cotillard is gonna be in this thing, I'd want her to have a meaty role, and not just become Nolan's go-to "flashback wife." Her character in Inception was slightly more interesting because she was also a malicious shade of her flashback self, but I can't fathom how Ra's Al Ghul's dead wife could possibly be a role that's significant or juicy enough to ask an actress of her caliber to leave her newborn baby at home for.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Did you even bother to read the part I wrote referring to it being 'my interpretation' of the events?

Yeah, and since you did not specify your 'interpretation of the events' I could only guess at what they are.
In any case, whatever your interpretation, there is sufficient logic there in the drama around Ras, as presented in BB, for Talia's inclusion not to be a characterisation ret-con problem in TDKR. and that's what I was presenting.

edit: So you might have to re-adjust your interpretation to fit what the writers intended, the mistake could be yours, not theirs, after all, they probably had Talia in mind as being part of the universe back then, given her inclusion in the novelisation, and dvd bio of Ras.

 

[BigEggo]

really really really hope talia isnt in this film.rubbish character and she would only distract from batman,bane,ra's and catwoman (and whoever JGL is playing,presumably alberto)

 

[jmc]

Yeah, and since you did not specify your 'interpretation of the events' I could only guess at what they are.
In any case, whatever your interpretation, there is sufficient logic there in the drama around Ras, as presented in BB, for Talia's inclusion not to be a characterisation ret-con problem in TDKR. and that's what I was presenting.

edit: So you might have to re-adjust your interpretation to fit what the writers intended, the mistake could be yours, not theirs, after all, they probably had Talia in mind as being part of the universe back then, given her inclusion in the novelisation, and dvd bio of Ras.

^ You seem to be under the impression that I don't think there is enough of a gap left for the existence of Talia. Of course there is, that's one back story that people can interpret, that's the point. There was enough ambiguity for there to be multiple interpretations of what Ra's life was like previous to his appearance in Begins, and that's exactly where it should be left, for us to fill in the gaps as Nolan does for most of his films, and I like that, I like it that I can view a film or character differently from the next person. What I don't like is someone going backwards and giving a definitive answer to it because it means how I view the next film is immediately compromised. That ****s me to no end because I shouldn't have to adjust my interpretation of a film/character because I like how I see it. I expect better from Nolan and will be sorely disappointed if he chooses a rather lazy story telling tactic as the basis for film 3.

 

[DoctorJackstraw]

Toy Story the closest?

You disagree? Toy story has three films which all work on their own as excellent films. Even the weaker of the three, the second one is still a fantastic and very acclaimed film. And lastly, Toy Story 3 just happens to be the best one ending the series on a very satisfying high note, which i find very rare for a trilogy.

My only wish is for Batman to follow that same pattern.

 

[Nevincer]

I hope we get a press release soon. If Marion is Talia, there's no reason to hide it at this point.

 

[jmc]

You disagree? Toy story has three films which all work on their own as excellent films. Even the weaker of the three, the second one is still a fantastic and very acclaimed film. And lastly, Toy Story 3 just happens to be the best one ending the series on a very satisfying high note, which i find very rare for a trilogy.

My only wish is for Batman to follow that same pattern.

Not at all, I was referring to it being the 'closest' to being the perfect trilogy. I don't think there's any doubt that it is the perfect trilogy.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

1. Toy Story
2. Lord of The Rings
3. The Dark Knight

I'm that confident in this last film

 

[Rodrigo90]

Nolan is a fantastic storyteller. He thinks very far outside the box,that gives me assurance that he can deliver an excellent third film.

And I wouldnt class LOTR:ROTK as a good third film,it doesnt really count since it was based on a book.

And going to the whole Ra's and Bruce relationship. I would say Bruce PROBABLY would look on Ra's as a father figure. In certain respects too the basis of their relationship as teacher and student,at the time. I mean if Guy Pearce was Ra's,it would have been a relationship like brothers.

You could see at the end of Batman Begins that was Ra's was clearly upset with Bruce,and the impression giving,he looked on him like a son.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I wonder if they'll hint some more at Ra's being immortal, they weren't entirely shy about that possibility in the first film.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

^ You seem to be under the impression that I don't think there is enough of a gap left for the existence of Talia. Of course there is, that's one back story that people can interpret, that's the point. There was enough ambiguity for there to be multiple interpretations of what Ra's life was like previous to his appearance in Begins, and that's exactly where it should be left, for us to fill in the gaps as Nolan does for most of his films, and I like that, I like it that I can view a film or character differently from the next person. What I don't like is someone going backwards and giving a definitive answer to it because it means how I view the next film is immediately compromised. That ****s me to no end because I shouldn't have to adjust my interpretation of a film/character because I like how I see it. I expect better from Nolan and will be sorely disappointed if he chooses a rather lazy story telling tactic as the basis for film 3.

But the thing is, these are exceptions to the other films Nolan has made, these are comic book films, and when made in a series, they all basically have 'To Be Continued...' hanging at the end of each movie, so any story thread left ambiguous, could be tied up and explained in a further film. I hardly think it's something to get annoyed at for that reason, if you don't like the story the way it continues, fine, but you shouldn't think of it as a story telling flaw to go into more detail on things that have been left ambiguous, it's par for the course in these types of tales.

 

[The Joker]

A mentor is a father figure in a sense, at least within the context of Begins and fatherhood themes going on. Thomas Wayne, Alfred, and Ra's all helped to raise Bruce to the man he becomes, and all have a hand in creating Batman. If anything Ra's was more responsible for that than anyone, outside Bruce himself.

Bruce was all grown up by the time he met Ra's. Ra's just helped give him a path. Hence why he referred to Bruce as "My greatest student". Their relationship never felt paternal. It was very much student/teacher IMO.

But the thing is, Ras is not Bruce is he? Ras obviously has murder in his heart, unlike Bruce, so his threshold for destruction is lower, hence why his threshold for self descruction would be too.

But Bruce did have murder in his heart before he met Ra's. He was going to kill Joe Chill, until Carmine Falcone beat him to it.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Bruce was all grown up by the time he met Ra's. Ra's just helped give him a path. Hence why he referred to Bruce as "My greatest student". Their relationship never felt paternal. It was very much student/teacher IMO.

That's pretty accurate. I love their dialogue in Wayne Manor in Batman Begins:
Ra's al Ghul: You were my greatest student. It should be you standing by my side, saving the world.
Bruce Wayne: I'll be standing where I belong. Between you and the people of Gotham.
Ra's al Ghul: No one can save Gotham.
I think that sums up their relationship. Ra's al Ghul really saw Bruce as a potential successor, similar to the comics, and was perhaps disappointed by Bruce's dissension with him.

But Bruce did have murder in his heart before he met Ra's. He was going to kill Joe Chill, until Carmine Falcone beat him to it.

Agreed.

 

[djshankalicious]

just thought, could this young ra's al ghul be the 'old old villain' gary oldman mentioned?

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

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But Bruce did have murder in his heart before he met Ra's. He was going to kill Joe Chill, until Carmine Falcone beat him to it.

Ok, I forgot about that, lol. I've seen the goddam movie about 100 times as well.
But, the way it was told, we will never know if he had murder in his heart, it's one thing to think about killing someone, it's quite another to go through with it. Bruce never had the chance to see if he would go through with it, and given that he throws the gun away, and that feeling he was carrying, after one conversation with a friend, we could reasonably hypothesise that he would probably not have gone through with the shooting.
I would imagine that Ras Al Ghul had similar bouts of a troubled conscience, and threw these notions aside, choosing to remain on a murderous path. With the character we see in the movie, I doubt one conversation would change his viewpoint like it did for Bruce, so I do still think there is a wide berth between the two character's self destructive tendancies.
But, yeah, I am hypothesising all over the place there, but still , I do not think Ras Al Ghul would have been as easily swayed away from murder as Bruce was.
There is a marked difference between the two men's attitude to that kind of desicion. Bruce did not consider himself 'one of your good people', because he had that idea in mind, whereas Ras would have considered himself the hero of the piece if he had killed his wife's murderer. So, that does suggest a marked difference in how their self destructive tendancies manifested within themselves.

 

[joker1524]

just thought, could this young ra's al ghul be the 'old old villain' gary oldman mentioned?

no thats hugo strange, were just waiting for Robin Williams to be officially announced

 

[Bat-Mite]

Cotillard will play Falafel Guy's wife. Calling it now.

 

[ronny]

Do you think it could be a case of a man saying he's Ras Al Ghul. We don't know it's really the same guy who was in the crash. But he's taken the name, claims he's immortal and knows Bruce.

Keep it ambiguous so it's believable for a casual audience, but add a degree of certainty for us fans so we know it's the real deal.

What I wonder is how Ras would react to Bruce now. Before the crash he was at peace and I got a sense of some unspoken acknowledgement of Bruce's superiority. Like a torch passing.
Hey, he could give him the title of 'Detective' in this film. As a term of respect after all they went through in Batman Begins.

I'll admit, this news threw me and I still want a freak villain as someone for Bane to take down (A serial killer, like Hatter or Zsasz.) but Ras Al Ghul is such a superb, brilliant character that I am really looking forward to how the role is approached.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I always thought that a way to darken Crazy Quilt would be to have him as a serial killer who suffocates people with blankets and covers them in bright paint. It's not ogod, but I always thought it would be disturbing, although it is essentially Victor Zsasz with a blanky :P.

 

[Boom]