Star Trek Beyond - Part 1

[samsnee]

It does feel like Insurrection in terms of the crew being stranded on a planet.

 

[DKDetective]

Am I the only one who is a little annoyed that now that we finally get a movie about the 5-year mission, they seem to destroy the Enterprise at the start of the film?

 

[Napoleon]

Am I the only one who is a little annoyed that now that we finally get a movie about the 5-year mission, they seem to destroy the Enterprise at the start of the film?

Yeah I was too. It feels like the Enterprise gets destroyed way to often in this series. And this is coming from someone who's not a Trekkie.

 

[roach]

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A friend of mine commented that Gene Roddenberry is rolling over in his grave at this trailer, and noted that it looks more like GotG than Star Trek. My response:

This is utter heresy I know, but I'm really not that big a fan of Roddenberry's vision, which always struck me as a preachy and a bit pretentious. (And I am a literal child of the late 60s'/early 70s.) Do I like GotG better than Roddenberry's Star Trek? Yup. Way more in fact. So to see something like this is actually much more what I have always wanted from Star Trek. I'll love this movie.

Roddenberry's vision changed throughout the years. I am a fan of the Original Series. When The Motion Picture came out and fizzled at the box office Gene was promoted out of the way and Nicholas Meyer was brought in...the result was Wrath of Khan.
When Gene was able to get his hands on Star Trek again with TNG...he made changes to the concept. Where TOS was action-y, TNG was more thought provoking. Gene was considering decanonizing TOS in favor of TNG. He also placed impossible conditions on the writers room. One of them being there was no conflict between crewmembers....the Spock/McCoy conflict is the stuff of legend and that was discontinued for the new series. It's no wonder that the series got better when he was no longer attached to it. IMO Deep Space Nine is better than TNG.

 

[rogbngp]

The story for Star Trek has always--for me--been about how the characters bond and develop individually as they face these incredible challenges together. I've never cared for using the show to promote social issues. (Rod Serling pulled it off with exquisite subtlety in Twilight Zone, but I honestly never particularly cared for how Roddenbery did it in a comparatively much more heavy-handed way.)

The action serves as a vehicle to watch the characters relate and grow together, both individually, as dyads, and as a team. I do want a compelling story about the main challenge they're facing in this film. But I see no reason from the trailer to believe we won't get that. It looks like a good old-fashioned adventure yarn that echoes back to the original cast TV series. Apparently they'll get stranded on a planet that resents that Federation's interference. Perhaps that will provide a strong inspection of the Prime Directive foundation. What should the Federation's role be when it comes to getting involved? Etc. That has relevance to the real world, for those that want Star Trek to make social commentary.

 

[MadVillainy]

I liked the trailer mostly because it wasn't trying to make the movie seem overly dark when the actual tone is different.

As someone who isnt a big ST fan I liked 09 a lot but thought STID was meh. This looks cool so far.

Was Elba's character meant to be that guy throwing Kirk?

 

[MadVillainy]

Reading over some of the past page comments I'm kinda confused.
Why are people complaining about the tone?

This looks to be in line with the tone of the last 2 Star Trek movies, especially 09.

That's a really silly criticism to me.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Looks good to me, as long as it's line with the previous 2 movies I will happy as I really liked them.

 

[The Chris]

Reading over some of the past page comments I'm kinda confused.
Why are people complaining about the tone?

This looks to be in line with the tone of the last 2 Star Trek movies, especially 09.

That's a really silly criticism to me.

Yeah I'm actually pleasantly surprised of how much it looks like it fits. Looks like like TOS type fun to me.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Why are people who are iffy on certain trailers accused of wanting a movie to be uber dark? I'm getting really ****ing sick of that ******** accusation, as if there aren't shades in between. I watched the 60's series before, I know what the goddamn tone was. And I never once said that I wanted these films to be super dark, not once. You have people who can't argue and decide to shove b.s straw arguments down everyone's throat and that's a shame.

Anyway the trailer is okay, I liked the last film despite a horrendous script, hopefully Beyond isn't as dumb and rehashy as the last film.

 

[rogbngp]

Roddenberry's vision changed throughout the years. I am a fan of the Original Series. When The Motion Picture came out and fizzled at the box office Gene was promoted out of the way and Nicholas Meyer was brought in...the result was Wrath of Khan.
When Gene was able to get his hands on Star Trek again with TNG...he made changes to the concept. Where TOS was action-y, TNG was more thought provoking. Gene was considering decanonizing TOS in favor of TNG. He also placed impossible conditions on the writers room. One of them being there was no conflict between crewmembers....the Spock/McCoy conflict is the stuff of legend and that was discontinued for the new series. It's no wonder that the series got better when he was no longer attached to it. IMO Deep Space Nine is better than TNG.

I love the original TV show--for what it was in its own time. That show was, to me, basically about a team of galactic swashbucklers. But I actually hated the feature films with the aging cast. The first two were okay for me, but Wrath of Khan is to me actually cringe-worthy. I stopped watching with that one.

But I'm happy as a pig in **** now that they are essentially rebooting the cast and story for the original crew of the Enterprise. I'm loving seeing new life breathed into these beloved characters. As mentioned, I always far preferred the "to boldly go" theme to the social commentary, anyway.

I only watched half of TNG and half of its feature films. I lost interest. The films are to me kind of meh. I do like Picard and Data (most) from TNG, but to me that cast could never quite measure up to the TOS TV show in terms of the characters and their chemistry. (Those are huge shoes to fill, granted.)

Never watched any of the other Star Trek shows.

Anyway, very interesting to read what you shared there about the evolution of Roddenberry's approach. I'll keep it in mind for the future if I ever watch any of the TOS films again, especially.

 

[roach]

Why are people who are iffy on certain trailers accused of wanting a movie to be uber dark? I'm getting really ****ing sick of that ******** accusation, as if there aren't shades in between. I watched the 60's series before, I know what the goddamn tone was. And I never once said that I wanted these films to be super dark, not once.

Who accused you of wanting this film to be uber dark?

 

[rogbngp]

edit: missed an important context in my earlier post here; never mind, I was just agreeing that the TOS TV shows was never dark in tone, so why should the reboots be expected to be that?

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Very average trailer for me. I didn't like the music, Kirk new hair style is odd, it looks retro and fake.

 

[roach]

I love the original TV show--for what it was in its own time. That show was, to me, basically about a team of galactic swashbucklers. But I actually hated the feature films with the aging cast. The first two were okay for me, but Wrath of Khan is to me actually cringe-worthy. I stopped watching with that one.

But I'm happy as a pig in **** now that they are essentially rebooting the the cast and story for the original crew of the Enterprise. I'm loving seeing new life breathed into these beloved characters. As mentioned, I always far preferred the "to boldly go" theme to the social commentary, anyway.

I only watched half of TNG and half of its feature films. I lost interest. The films are to me kind of meh. I do like Picard and Data (most) from TNG, but to me that cast could never quite measure up to the TOS TV show in terms of the characters and their chemistry. (Those are huge shoes to fill, granted.)

Never watched any of the other Star Trek shows.

Anyway, very interesting to read what you shared there about the evolution of Roddenberry's approach. I'll keep it in mind for the future if I ever watch any of the TOS films again, especially.

Watch Shatners documentary on The Next Generation called Chaos on the Bridge. Of the original cast Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country are the tops. I can't think of a TNG movie I really liked.

 

[Serpico Jones]

I thought it was a really good trailer. Bright and fun.

 

[MadVillainy]

So much anger...

 

[terry78]

They needed to blow up the ship as an excuse to get them down there?

 

[The Chris]

Watch Shatners documentary on The Next Generation called Chaos on the Bridge. Of the original cast Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country are the tops. I can't think of a TNG movie I really liked.

First Contact is the one I really like for the NG crew. For the original cast Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country and Voyage Home in particular. I do enjoy Search for Spock. Motion Picture and Final Frontier I don't like as much.

 

[Frodo]

I could care less about the tone of the film. Star Trek shows and movies tones are all over the place. The hints at the story the trailer however is just adequate so that's why I'm just kinda "eh, its star trek".

Then again, one of the things with these recent spat of trailers is that they're all , ongoing and legacy properties and characters , so its not like we're seeing a fresh , untapped property with X Men, Batman and Superman, Star Trek, Ninja Turtles, Captain America and Iron Man.

 

[roach]

edit: missed an important context in my earlier post here; never mind, I was just agreeing that the TOS TV shows was never dark in tone, so why should the reboots be expected to be that?

Agreed. I think the darkest the series ever went was in TNG episode "Conspiracy" where the alien bugs get inside people's bodies and control them and managed to takeover star fleet. Picard and Riker phaser the guy with the queen inside him...the queen bug burst through his dissolved body.

 

[kedrell]

Just saw it. I don't know whether it's because I watched it on my tiny little phone but this was all kinds of meh to me.

 

[Superhero 101]

Movie Looks like it will be fun! Can't wait to see it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Anyway I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I think it's an okay teaser but nothing remotely special. I hope the full trailer, that is undoubtedly months away, is more interesting.

 

[vanson]

looks pretty dope in my book