Star Trek Beyond - Part 1

[Frodo]

Jesus Christ. Finally got around to seeing the trailer and it was just terrible. I liked the first two films but man, that trailer was bad.

It reminds me of Star Trek 5, Star Trek Insurrection and Nemesis, i.e. the weaker films in the canon.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The main problem for me with the teaser is that it makes the movie look like a cheaper and less substantial version of Abrams' movies. It could be better than either of Abrams' movies for all we know, and be really awesome (and Lin is saying all the right things), but that teaser sure didn't do anything to convey any depth the story might have, and everything looks like a downgrade in terms of production quality.

 

[Slushy]

Jesus Christ. Finally got around to seeing the trailer and it was just terrible.

Plus one. Shame on Lin for not using The Klingons.

 

[The Navigator]

At the premiere of The Force Awakens, HeyUGuys caught up with Pegg — who plays Scotty and co-wrote Star Trek Beyond with Doug Jung — and asked him what he thought of Beyond's first trailer:

“It was very action-packed. It was surprising. I find it to be the marketing people sort of saying ‘Everybody come and see this film, it's full of action and fun,’ when there's a lot more to it than that. I didn't love it, because I know there's a lot more to the film. There's a lot more story and a lot more character stuff and a lot more what I would call ‘Star Trek stuff.’ But they've gotta bring a big audience in. They've gotta bang the drum. To the Star Trek fans, I'd say, hang in there, be patient."

https://youtu.be/2f4aAwa5wdg

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Sounds like a case of a misguided teaser. Hopefully the following promos showcase the film that will be.

 

[Drizzle]

Everyone's making too big of a deal about this. Underwhelming trailers for better films aren't anything new. Anyone remember Rise of the Planet of the Apes? Hell, even the first trailer for The Avengers was kinda lame (not the one at the end of Captain America, the one with the crappy Nickelback-esque music).

 

[I Am The Knight]

Nine Inch Nails?

 

[flickchick85]

Someone did NOT just compare NIN with Nickleback.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

So. According to this article: http://nerdist.com/star-trek-beyond-will-pretend-that-star-trek-into-darkness-didnt-happen/

STB will not address STID.

I wonder if anyone else is curious whether this movie might function instead as a real sequel to ST09, and instead, as a prequel to STID. I feel like, if this is something that I can realistically be led to believe it would fix many of the issues I had with STID.
- Blowing the Khan load way too soon.
- Denouncing Kirk's rank as Captain almost directly after granting it to him.

As well as the absence of Alice Eve in this movie.

Here's hoping for the best either way.

 

[The Chris]

Personally I think its just doing what an indiana jones movie or old star trek (except 2-4) would do usually. So Into Darkness happened but there's no need to openly reference it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Isn't that whole thing a call back to the first movie?

and wasn't its use in the first movie a reference to Shatner and his ability or inability to pronounce that word?

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It appears a lot of people appear to have missed on these connections.

It's not inability. He's Canadian.

 

[Drizzle]

Nine Inch Nails?

Someone did NOT just compare NIN with Nickleback.

That was a Nine Inch Nails song? Coulda fooled me.


I honestly didn't remember the song. Probably should have watched the trailer again. Whoops.

 

[I Am The Knight]

J.J. Abrams talks about his two Star Trek films.

In his reimagining of Star Trek, Abrams found the intimacy he favors in the relationship between James T. Kirk (Chris Pine) and Spock (Zachary Quinto) — at first contentious, and then a true partnership and friendship. For spectacle, Abrams had to adjust his sights upward from even from the ambitious Mission Impossible III, which was, after all, terrestrial: He estimates that Star Trek had approximately 1,300 visual effects. “It was definitely an education in scale,” he said. “When you’re doing a space adventure and you do an establishing shot, it needs to be a planet — it’s not just a building.”

But one of Abrams’ first challenges with Star Trek was casting. In his television work, Abrams had been credited with discovering Felicity’s main cast (Keri Russell, Scott Foley, and Scott Speedman), and Alias’s leads (Jennifer Garner, Bradley Cooper, and Michael Vartan), but coming into the Mission: Impossible franchise, the main roles were already set. With Star Trek, he was starting from scratch to find an ensemble to inhabit the iconic characters created by Gene Roddenberry in the original 1960s television series. He wanted, he said, to find actors “you could believe were spiritually on the same page as every character you knew.”

“The story of our film was that a new timeline arose out of an event where the character of Spock goes back in time, therefore the characters that were going to come together were literally the characters that people knew from the show,” Abrams continued. “So we were 100% taking Gene Roddenberry’s lead.”

That meant, of course, also following in Roddenberry’s revolutionary footsteps in the cast’s diversity. “It was important to me, in that I very much appreciated what Roddenberry was doing in 1966, in a time when it was not common to have a multicultural, multiethnic cast — and having women in positions of authority and power,” Abrams said. “Working on a movie like Star Trek, you learn how important those choices were to people who saw themselves in those shows in ways that they hadn’t before. So it was something we were thrilled to get to continue.”

The result was a blockbuster platform for Pine, Quinto, Zoe Saldana (as Uhura), and John Cho (as Sulu) — and Abrams’ best-reviewed movie so far.

But his follow-up, Star Trek Into Darkness, did not receive the same across-the-board positive critical and fan response. The first movie was written by Kurtzman and Orci; they signed on to write the sequel, along with Damon Lindelof, Abrams’ collaborator on Lost (who had been a producer of Star Trek). “I take full responsibility for this — I was encouraging the writers in certain directions, and we were working on the script and putting it together,” Abrams said. “But by the time we started shooting, and this was literally at the very beginning of the shoot, there were certain things I was unsure of.”

“Any movie, any story has a fundamental conversation happening during it,” he continued. “There’s a fundamental argument; there’s a central question. And I didn’t have it.”

The first movie, according to Abrams, had a “very strong story” about “two orphans who are completely at odds, who then come to realize they need to work together to survive”; the second did not. Kirk and Spock remained the film’s central characters, but, Abrams asked: “What was their issue? What was their dynamic? What was their problem?” He answered: “And it wasn’t really clear.”

“It was a little bit lightweight, ultimately, that Kirk was disappointed that Spock didn’t feel that their friendship was as meaningful to him as it did to Kirk, which is sort of what we’re saying,” Abrams said. “And that Spock’s arc is coming to unabashedly love his friend Kirk.”

Then there was Khan. Word leaked out early that the canonical Star Trek villain would be featured in Into Darkness, and that Benedict Cumberbatch would be playing him. The spoiler-averse Abrams sought to put this genie back into the bottle, and said Cumberbatch was playing someone named John Harrison — true. But Harrison’s real identity was Khan, and the attempt to fool fans only succeeded in angering them.

Abrams laughed while talking about it now: “At the end of the day, while I agree with Damon Lindelof that withholding the Khan thing ended up seeming like we were lying to people, I was trying to preserve the fun for the audience, and not just tell them something that the characters don’t learn for 45 minutes into the movie, so the audience wouldn’t be so ahead of it.”

(He added: “But it was Simon Pegg who lied outright, and I adore him for doing so. I remember when I read that he basically said, ‘He doesn’t play Khan,’ and I thought, Oh my god, Simon Pegg!”)

Abrams did reshoots on Into Darkness, which he felt “helped a little bit here and there.” But his problems with the final movie come back to its plot, which, he said, “was not anyone’s fault but mine, or, frankly, anyone’s problem but mine.”

“I felt like, in a weird way, it was a little bit of a collection of scenes that were written by my friends — brilliantly talented writers — who I somehow misled in trying to do certain things. And yet, I found myself frustrated by my choices, and unable to hang my hat on an undeniable thread of the main story,” Abrams said. “So then I found myself on that movie basically tap-dancing as well as I could to try and make the sequences as entertaining as possible. Thank god I had the cast that we have, who are so unbelievably fun to watch. And an incredible new villain in Benedict Cumberbatch.”

“I would never say that I don’t think that the movie ended up working,” Abrams said. “But I feel like it didn’t work as well as it could have had I made some better decisions before we started shooting.”

 

[Pink Ranger]

Someone did NOT just compare NIN with Nickleback.

Nine Inch Nickelback. The name of my all-accordion prog rock band.

 

[samsnee]

https://youtu.be/2f4aAwa5wdg

Pegg also said Cumberbatch wasn't Kahn.

 

[Loki882]

My theory is that the marketing people wanting to capitalize on the fact that Lin's biggest claim to fame to date is directing multiple Fast & Furious films, hence the tone/pace of the trailer.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Everyone's making too big of a deal about this. Underwhelming trailers for better films aren't anything new. Anyone remember Rise of the Planet of the Apes? Hell, even the first trailer for The Avengers was kinda lame (not the one at the end of Captain America, the one with the crappy Nickelback-esque music).

One mediocre teaser or trailer definitely will not make me give up on a film.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

It would be best for Pegg to not speak ill of the marketing, when this was just the first trailer, the film is still in post-production and won't be out for another seven months.

Gives off the vibe trouble is brewing internally. To quote a fake sitcom on The Simpsons: Do Shut Up.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It would be best for Pegg to not speak ill of the marketing, when this was just the first trailer, the film is still in post-production and won't be out for another seven months.

Gives off the vibe trouble is brewing internally. To quote a fake sitcom on The Simpsons: Do Shut Up.

Pegg has always been a loose cannon whom says basically whatever he wants.

 

[Dark Raven]

He's like a square Pegg in a round hole.

 

[titansupes]

 

[Sawyer]

Why should Pegg not be speaking the truth on this one? It was a ****ing s*** teaser. And the very fact that he spoke about it in more glowing terms than I did shows a good deal about his tact.

 

[Sithborg]

It would be best for Pegg to not speak ill of the marketing, when this was just the first trailer, the film is still in post-production and won't be out for another seven months.

Gives off the vibe trouble is brewing internally. To quote a fake sitcom on The Simpsons: Do Shut Up.

You mean more trouble internally?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Why should Pegg not be speaking the truth on this one? It was a ****ing s*** teaser. And the very fact that he spoke about it in more glowing terms than I did shows a good deal about his tact.

It's almost like a religion for me to go against popular opinion but the popular opinion is right this time, the teaser wasn't very good. That doesn't mean that the film is doomed or that I gave up on it but it's not a great teaser. I'm glad Pegg spoke out about it.

 

[Marvolo]

It would be best for Pegg to not speak ill of the marketing, when this was just the first trailer, the film is still in post-production and won't be out for another seven months.

Gives off the vibe trouble is brewing internally. To quote a fake sitcom on The Simpsons: Do Shut Up.

Not really. Trailers are sometimes done by separate third parties. The only trouble is probably that the people they hired to cut the trailer made a terrible trailer.

Theres no reason to go into conspiracy mode and speculate about internal troubles.