Star Trek Beyond - Part 1

[Loki882]

The thing is, it's a delicate balancing act. Kirk's cockiness/flying by the seat of his pants are part of his character (and audiences like that about him). On the other hand, we're on movie #3, so sooner or later he has to learn something, to mature somewhat. If there feels like there's been NO character progression for him, then that's a problem.

 

[chamber-music]

I didn't care about Khan's ethnicity. It isn't like they cast a ethnically accurate actor before and I doubt they would of anyway. Putting a Hispanic actor in dark make up isn't more any ethnically accurate than casting a white British guy. I thought Cumberbatch did a ok job despite not having great material to work with and playing against type a little.

 

[Octoberist]

But his demeanor too was so not Khan of the old series.

 

[roach]

But his demeanor too was so not Khan of the old series.

but it's not supposed to be...it's an alternate universe

 

[Octoberist]

But he's suppose to be the same Khan dude. He should'nt be affected by the alt timeline at all.

 

[chamber-music]

Khan was affected by the timeline change. Admiral Marcus awoke him, gave him the John Harrison identity and made he work for him while he held his crew hostage.

 

[terry78]

Alternate timeline has become the new loophole for rebooters.

 

[Sawyer]

I don't see how it can even be considered a loophole. You people really want an alternate timeline to be identical to the timeline it's alternating from?

Come on, y'all...

 

[chamber-music]

I don't think anyone was dying to see Kirk being bullied by Irish prankster Finneganin at Starfleet academy for 2 hours.

 

[Young Superman]

Which USS Enterprise NCC 1701 design do you like the most?

2250s/Pike era:

2260s/Kirk era:

2270s and 2280s/refit:

Reboot universe:

 

[Loki882]

Khan wasn't affected by the reboot. He was affected by being found much sooner, and put in very different situations, than he was in the Prime Universe. Which came about because of Starfleet's response to Nero nuking Vulcan and nearly doing the same to Earth. Really the reboot itself was incidental to it all.

 

[redhawk23]

You can argue the in-universe "reasons" for Kahn to be different but just in general, Cumberbatch's Kahn lacked most of the charisma or really any thing else that made Kahn such a compelling character to watch to begin with. Waste of a concept.

If they wanted to have a wholly different character and alt universe shennanigans, have it be one of the other augments be the one to be woken up. You get to play on the Kahn story but it frees you up to create a new character.

 

[Young Superman]

You can argue the in-universe "reasons" for Kahn to be different but just in general, Cumberbatch's Kahn lacked most of the charisma or really any thing else that made Kahn such a compelling character to watch to begin with. Waste of a concept.

If they wanted to have a wholly different character and alt universe shennanigans, have it be one of the other augments be the one to be woken up. You get to play on the Kahn story but it frees you up to create a new character.

This is what they should have done.

 

[Loki882]

Well, I disagree completely that he lacked "charisma." It's pretty much impossible for Cumberbatch NOT to be charismatic imo.

And he did really well playing a Khan put into a different situation and needing to react differently, imo. I found him plenty compelling.

 

[roach]

Which USS Enterprise NCC 1701 design do you like the most?

2250s/Pike era:

2260s/Kirk era:

2270s and 2280s/refit:

Reboot universe:

I like the refit and the reboot ENT the most

 

[roach]

I don't see how it can even be considered a loophole. You people really want an alternate timeline to be identical to the timeline it's alternating from?

Come on, y'all...

this...it's an Alternate universe...much like the mirror universe. No one flips out that mirror Spock has a goatee. What's the point in doing an alternate universe if your gonna do it exactly like the prime universe?
So they are doing things differently...picking up threads from TOS. The Spock/Uhura relationship is hinted at in the first few episodes of TOS but never done anything with. Same thing with Khan...though a singleminded bent toward revenge is apparent in both Khans. Marcus wronged Khan and Khan was going to do everything in his power to get revenge...In WOK Khan holds Kirk responsible for the death of his wife and is bent on revenge.

 

[Young Superman]

I like the refit and the reboot ENT the most

My favorite scene in TMP is when we see the refit Enterprise for the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b52b4yORX6U

 

[roach]

My favorite scene in TMP is when we see the refit Enterprise for the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b52b4yORX6U

I watch TMP just for that scene...we have this dangerous cloud bearing down on the Earth but lets take 20 minutes to look over the ship

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I feel like Cumberbatch's casting is the reason they were so cagey about it being Khan in the first place and was why they cooked up that John Harrison stuff. Had they cast Benicio, I doubt they would've even bothered pretending. But with Cumby, I feel like they probably cooked up something about Admiral Marcus altering his appearance so no one would be able to trace his origins, and for whatever reason, they just tossed it and went "Eh, whatever, he's Khan."

I never thought about it but maybe that was part of the reason for that extreme mystery box ******** marketing when it came to the character. I love Cumberbatch and thought his performance was fine but his casting will always seem like a big mistake to me.

 

[roach]

I never thought about it but maybe that was part of the reason for that extreme mystery box ******** marketing when it came to the character. I love Cumberbatch and thought his performance was fine but his casting will always seem like a big mistake to me.

Nah that's just JJ being JJ. If you watch his Ted Talk he talks about how he loves to put mysteries in everything he does, especially the marketing...Lost, Super 8, Cloverfield...hell even the very first Star Trek teaser is a unfolding mystery

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[I SEE SPIDEY]

During the Star Wars promotion he did acknowledge that the marketing around John Harrison/Kahn was a mistake.

 

[roach]

During the Star Wars promotion he did acknowledge that the marketing around John Harrison/Kahn was a mistake.

Oh it was a mistake but I don't think the mystery was because of the casting

 

[Warhammer]

I didn't care about Khan's ethnicity. It isn't like they cast a ethnically accurate actor before and I doubt they would of anyway. Putting a Hispanic actor in dark make up isn't more any ethnically accurate than casting a white British guy. I thought Cumberbatch did a ok job despite not having great material to work with and playing against type a little.

My problem was that they established what the character looks like. It didn't matter that Montalban was Hispanic. That is what Khan looks like. You don't cast the pastiest white dude from the UK as Khan regardless.

But at the end of the day, the casting didn't ruin the film for me. I had no cjoice but to accept it.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I was excited about the story possibilities of where a sequel to Abrams' 2009 Star Trek reboot could go and was disappointed they used Khan as the villain and tried to ride on the back of Wrath of Khan and nostalgia instead of pushing the franchise forward. It was like they were already out of ideas into their second movie.

And it seemed like they cast Cumberbatch in order to preserve the "mystery box" twist.

 

[Marvolo]

Ginally went throught the teaser frame by frame. I noticed that the bad guy ships are attacking an earth city at one point so for three films in a row Earth is attacked.

And I also am wondering if perhaps the aliens that Kirk pisses off are slavers. Justin Lin spoke about how not every culture will want what the Federation is selling. The Federation's utopian society and ideas arent going to be accepted by every civilization. So it made me think that maybe these aliens are engaged in something we humans and other civilized Federation species consider abhorrent. So Kirk being Kirk refuses to stand by while they do whatever it is they do and he intervenes in their affairs and pisses them off so the aliens crash the enterprise take its crew hostage and decide to attack and occupy or enslave Earth and the rest of the Federation.

Their ships and the way they attack reminds me of locusts or various types of insects that swarm. Maybe these aliens think in a similar manner. They just take what they want and do what they want regardless of the rights or needs of other species.