Star Trek Beyond - Part 4

I'm wary of the R rated idea. If it is soft R, it might be OK. But if he goes for hard R with lots of cursing, extreme gore, and "the Gimp" raping crewmen in the basement....then it will be a big mistake.

It'd be a train wreck. A beautiful weird absurd train wreck. :funny:

Seriously tho I think Paramount would be smart to insulate themselves and the film by setting it in the mirrorverse. That way if it's a flop or if it does anything too strange it's in it's own little contained bubble. It would be that one really bizarre mission that happened that the crew and starfleet never want to talk about. What happens in mirrorverse stays in mirrorverse type of thing.
 
I want Tarantino to write the movie. I thought that's the point, I'm rather confused.

R-rated? No problem for me.
 
It's probably not about ego. A pg13 rating restricts everything. I heard one director talk about how much studio interference changes depending on the rating. The director said that with a pg13 movie studio execs want the director to include some thing for a wide range of age groups. They want to make sure intensity isn't maintained too long and they worry about young kids getting bored during parts of the film and suggest the director include something to make sure this doesnt happen. But with an R rating apparently studio execs don't make these sorts of suggestions and give the director a lot more room to breathe. That sense of freedom is important to some directors.

Despite what people think, the R rating isn't just about violence, gore, and language. Ive even read that the audio mixes of pg-13 films can cause problems with the MPAA if the action mix is too intense or realistic sounding. By deciding on an R rating from the start a lot of complications and problems are avoided from the start.

So relax and dont jump to the conclusion that this will be some foul mouthed gorefest. It probably won't be.

I agree not all R-rated films are about that. But Tarantino's films typically contain all of that to quite an excessive degree. He has certain tropes he always puts into his movies. We don't need to be hearing the N word in a Trek movie or all the crew or aliens swearing all the time.

It'd be a train wreck. A beautiful weird absurd train wreck. :funny:

Seriously tho I think Paramount would be smart to insulate themselves and the film by setting it in the mirrorverse. That way if it's a flop or if it does anything too strange it's in it's own little contained bubble. It would be that one really bizarre mission that happened that the crew and starfleet never want to talk about. What happens in mirrorverse stays in mirrorverse type of thing.

I would agree with this that it would be the safest course of action. It might be difficult to walk back from Tarantino if he makes a real mess and it's set in the regular universe.
 
It'd be a train wreck. A beautiful weird absurd train wreck. :funny:

Seriously tho I think Paramount would be smart to insulate themselves and the film by setting it in the mirrorverse. That way if it's a flop or if it does anything too strange it's in it's own little contained bubble. It would be that one really bizarre mission that happened that the crew and starfleet never want to talk about. What happens in mirrorverse stays in mirrorverse type of thing.

Yeah, that was my first thought too: the mirror universe and it’s torturing, assassinating, murdering Federation would be the perfect playground for Tarantino. But it almost seems too easy an answer. And from a broader perspective, I’d be more worried about impact on the IP if Trek had any life to it, and right now it doesn’t. All I know is that this news makes me more excited about a possible Trek film than I have been in a very long time.
 
Despite what people think, the R rating isn't just about violence, gore, and language. Ive even read that the audio mixes of pg-13 films can cause problems with the MPAA if the action mix is too intense or realistic sounding. By deciding on an R rating from the start a lot of complications and problems are avoided from the start.

So relax and dont jump to the conclusion that this will be some foul mouthed gorefest. It probably won't be.

If it's a soft R, I would be okay with it. I'm for directors changing things up, but some franchises don't need to be Tarantino-ized.

I mean, if it's like Matrix level R rated, that I would be fine with.

It was an intense R-rated film without much gore or language. That would be preferable, but I still worry that Tarantino will say, "That sucks, it needs to be MORE intense!"
 
I'm wary of the R rated idea. If it is soft R, it might be OK. But if he goes for hard R with lots of cursing, extreme gore, and "the Gimp" raping crewmen in the basement....then it will be a big mistake.

I’ve always felt the one thing missing from Star Trek films has been a gimp.
 
I have to admit, no other non-superhero blockbuster has me more curious than this. Tarantino on Star Trek? AND it's R-rated? I don't know if this is the best move for the BO of the movie, but boy am I curious to see this movie.
 
I'm interested but also completely "wtf?" about this. Everything about this seems absurd lol.
 
I've written this before elsewhere. I can't see Trek get any more niche than it currently is because this rebooted series even with Abrams at the helm make as much as Django and Inglorious.
With Tarantino aboard, we can get back to what Star Trek is all about - atmosphere and drawn out conversations.
 
Honestly the closest I've seen to hard PG-13 bordering R level Star Trek type thing is The Orville where Macfarlane is actually pushing the limits of network tv, but it's still bright and colorful.
 
Honestly the closest I've seen to hard PG-13 bordering R level Star Trek type thing is The Orville where Macfarlane is actually pushing the limits of network tv, but it's still bright and colorful.

I think the Orville isn't really R-rated. But Star Trek Discovery could fall more into that. They dropped the F bomb in one of the episodes. Their overall tone is much darker too and could lend itself to blood and gore.
 
Honestly the closest I've seen to hard PG-13 bordering R level Star Trek type thing is The Orville where Macfarlane is actually pushing the limits of network tv, but it's still bright and colorful.

I suspect that Wrath of Kahn would have been PG-13 if the rating had existed at the time the film came out.
 
I'll be honest, the Bayformers movies are pretty much one F-bomb away from being R themselves.
 
Paramount has done everything "right" with the reboot series and the last movie still ended up making the least out of the trilogy.

They're probably willing to try anything to get Star Trek really off the ground.
 
After thinking more about this, I want to say they're riding a fine line here that will depend on how they execute it, but I don't think a line is there because this is totally uncharted waters for this franchise. If this were any other director making this I would be dismissive, but Tarantino is a very smart man. Given his track record, he deserves to be given the chance. I have to recognize this movie is going to be one of the very few tentpole films where we will not know what to expect and damn if reigniting interest in this didn't work from this idea alone, so I will give them that.

This could be an idea so radical it could just work where a studio who just cynically sees dollar signs will happen to fund an outside the box movie where the right director has that right vision or it could be all the wrong ingredients for a huge disaster. It could be where Tarantino is so far up his ass he imbues more of his own self and ego into ST instead of doing a Nolan or Raimi or Jackson or even recently Villenueve where they found a perfect median of material and personal vision. But the difference between those is just... it's unprecedented. I just hope all of this works for the right reasons, where the risky idea pays off if it's all there in story. If this works, it could very well be a paradigm shifting movie where auteurs are brought in to stagnating franchises to give it a jolt to mixed results, not dissimilar to how studios see cinematic universes now. This could be the next step in how they keep their brands alive. I don't think this corporate, modern branding will go away. So a mixture of the auteur experimental 60's/70's era of film with the modern brand tentpoles. And **** if that isn't better than what we're seeing now. We saw that failed to an extreme with Snyder in this decade, but what if Tarantino succeeds in that area? For God's sake, what if we actually get that Wes Anderson Spider-Man movie? What if we get a Darren Aranofsky Superman movie that actually works out, that darker Superman film that had the potential of MOS but was so squandered? What if Rian Johnson isn't enough for a SW movie anymore (This is pre-mature and unproven, but this is just hypothetical)? What if instead we need a Denis Villenueve to make an R rated SW movie? This is opening up a lot of new possibilities I've never thought of before.

This idea is so radical, so on the other end of the spectrum and something we may not see again, and nothing that's ever been done before so I'll admit I can't wait to see this. The unknown of it all is what excites me. And that's something. The idea of this cast in a Tarantino plot is ****ing fascinating. So getting over my initial response, I'm more excited about this than skeptical. Skepticism is kind of small potatoes in all of this.

I mean for God's sake, in the context of this time for movies where it's become more mechanized and pre-calculated, an experimental ST in principle is something that this industry needs. And the risk of a rating doesn't outweigh that.
 
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Seems that one of Tarantino’s favorite Star Trek episodes is Yesterday’s Enterprise from the 3rd season of The Next Generation and he said he would do a film like that episode. For me, that’s the best Trek episode ever produced and one of the best episodes of television of all time. That said, if Tarantino’s Trek idea is anything like Yesterday’s Enterprise, then I’m 100% on board!

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1736470/what-quentin-tarantinos-star-trek-movie-could-be-about
 
I'm really hoping this isn't a rehash of an episode.

I would be curious to see if this might be a Logan type deconstruction type thing where by deconstructing it, it actually underlies the true strengths of the franchise instead of being all post modern and cynical. Tarantino is smarter than pure cynicism anyway.
 
Paramount has done everything "right" with the reboot series and the last movie still ended up making the least out of the trilogy.

They're probably willing to try anything to get Star Trek really off the ground.

Well, actually marketing Star Trek Beyond probably would've helped.
 
Paramount has done everything "right" with the reboot series and the last movie still ended up making the least out of the trilogy.

They're probably willing to try anything to get Star Trek really off the ground.
They didn't do everything right. The failed to capitalize on the momentum of 2009's success. And then they really failed to capitalize on Beyond coinciding with the 50th anniversary.
 
I'm not the biggest Star Trek fan outside of the Abrams movies and while I did enjoy Discovery this idea sounds crazy. I would imagine it would be significantly smaller in budget than the past films if Paramount is going to agree to it, but now I'm wondering what can you really do with Star Trek if you have so many limitations put on it? I guess that's where Tarantino comes in and that aspect alone is why I will see it, because I'm curious what type of creativity he will bring to it besides foul language and gore.
 
In general Paramount just failed. There was the nasty business with the movie and television franchises being effectively split into two which I think was part of it. It wouldn't be the first time a studio spited itself over something a competitor or former partner did.
 
Well, actually marketing Star Trek Beyond probably would've helped.

That's the thing. There was an initial trailer that was more like a Superbowl TV spot, a Rihanna video and "Sulu's gay!" and that was it.
 

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