Star Trek Sequel - Part 1

[Silvermoth]

It seems to have such a wonder atmosphere on set. I wish I could be part of it.

 

[redhawk23]

The purposeful lenseflare lights that serve no other function look even more ridiculous in those set pics.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The lensflares are actually Qs who are secretly monitoring the activities of humanity.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

The purposeful lenseflare lights that serve no other function look even more ridiculous in those set pics.

The sequel is going to be post converted to 3D. This may mean we get a lot fewer lens flares and shaky cam stuff... Yay! \o/

As for the post conversion to 3D... Boo!

 

[Young Superman]

Any news on this film?

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

A fleet of Vulcan warships vs a Romulan mining ship? Being from the future only gets you so much.

The Narada was upgraded with Borg technology and other advanced weaponnery, it was no more a mere mining ship.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

The main thing I hope they fix (along with several other things) is the villains. Romulations in Startrek (2009) are reduced to Nosferatu in a dark Gothic ship. I imagine this was done because it was a mainstream movie and they probably figured people who were too stupid to follow the movie needed visual indication that they were bad. By making them appear monster like and giving they a jaggy monster ship. The villains and races in Deep Space 9 are vastly superior to this movie. These villains are designed for 5 year olds. Hell, it's insulting to 5 year olds.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Romulans were always designed as "evil" look wise in all the series I watched ( Enterprise and Voyager mostly, I don't remember TOS ).
Nero and his crew pushed the "evil" look further with their tatoos.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Romulans were always designed as "evil" look wise in all the series I watched ( Enterprise and Voyager mostly, I don't remember TOS ).
Nero and his crew pushed the "evil" look further with their tatoos.

Eh not really. I wouldn't agree with that at all. Aside from a slight bump on their forhead they were generally indistinguible from Vulcans. While physically they look Romulan, they have been redesigned to appear monster like. In nature they weren't angry raging Nosferatu sitting in dank rusty pits. They were clever and sly as well as suspicious. The ships they use (Romulan war birds) kinda reflected that nature in the design with a sleek hawk like nose and a fragile looking frame with vibrant greens. The plotlines built around the Romulan character traits in Deep Space 9 was excellent, well above "FIRE EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!"!

For all Nero's gruff screaming and shouting, chucking spears and angst attitude, the founder in Deep Space 9 was far more intimidating a villain by having civil conversion. Now that was a frickin villain.

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[Monsieur Xavier]

^^
I don't know what to tell you, beside the tatoos they were as I saw them before.
In JJ movie this Romulan were miners, they were enslaved in a Klingon prison for year, so yes, they would look different than the "standard" military Romulan look.

 

[Marvolo]

They don't even look monster like. Unless that's someones idea of monsters in which case I gotta say the get scared easily.

To me they look like tattooed, tired, pissed off, blue collar romulans following a leader with one hell of a vendetta. And lets not forget that there will be diversity in any species. Not all humans look or act like humans in the military service.

On another note I didn't realize they were using Borg tech. Of course I'm not very knowledgeable about the Borg. I find it interesting tho.

 

[Octoberist]

^^
I don't know what to tell you, beside the tatoos they were as I saw them before.
In JJ movie this Romulan were miners, they were enslaved in a Klingon prison for year, so yes, they would look different than the "standard" military Romulan look.

Exactly. JJ made it clear that these Romulans were just miners and therefore lack the regal wicking as of your standard Romulans; they're we're not made to represent the entire race. plus Nero himself said he doesn't represent the Empire either, so...

 

[Pink Ranger]

To me they look like tattooed, tired, pissed off, blue collar romulans following a leader with one hell of a vendetta. And lets not forget that there will be diversity in any species. Not all humans look or act like humans in the military service.

Ha ha, you've uncovered one of the central conceits of Star Trek and Trekkies. In the Federation, humans are as diverse in appearance, culture and behavious as they are now, but for some reason, in the future other advanced humanoid species only have a single culture and a single set of cultural traits.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

They don't even look monster like.

Looking at that screenshot as well, it would appear the Romulans have been giving more inward horn like shaped eared bat like ears similar to the original Nosferatu.
For comparison, this is the typically the standard Romulan ears and look.

This is Spocks ears, which appear to be more elve like, visually freindly, as oppossed to Nero's deliberate bad guy design.

Ha ha, you've uncovered one of the central conceits of Star Trek and Trekkies. In the Federation, humans are as diverse in appearance, culture and behavious as they are now, but for some reason, in the future other advanced humanoid species only have a single culture and a single set of cultural traits.

I'd recomend who watch the Deep Space 9 episode "Duet". Or read up on Odo who directly opposses (as well as saves) the main villain race. Indeed main characters like Wayoun commit munity because they disagree with the cultural values of the dominion. As do the Jem' Hadar with a small band who create point create an outright mutinty. With the Cardassians main villaim (Damar) also goes against his own people and the Dominion and starts a rebellion against them actually opting (and dying) to help the Federation.

What you have going on in Deep Space 9 is far more culturally sophisticated then the miner nosferatu man who shouts alot and looks angry sitting on his little thrown with spear in big miner jaggy gothic monster ship of ultimate doom weapon, that will kill nerd races, Asain led ships but hopefully not kill the 20 something pretty human planet (full of pretty people) and a nice minty fresh white IKEA built enterprise.

JJ has always been pretty terrible and cliche with chacters, you just need to watch a few episodes of lost to realize this. The TNG movies are guility of dumbing down as well (Jonathan Frakes can most be blamed for this as he wanted to make Startrek action movies).

 

[Marvolo]

Look I'll be perfectly honest, I don't really care what they did on the TV shows. Good as they may be, they had limitations the films do not have. Advancments in CGI, makeup, and animatronics allows for more diverse character designs. Not to mention different directors will have different designs. It doesnt invalidate what came before. If JJ wants to diversify by all means diversify. I've never been a big fan of the character designs in the star trek TV series anyways. As for the Romulans i still don't consider them monster like. They have all the essential romulan traits with slight deviations to differentiate them. All those deviations make sense for the characters so it doesn't bother me. Happens in film all the time.

 

[mclay18]

The sequel is going to be post converted to 3D. This may mean we get a lot fewer lens flares and shaky cam stuff... Yay! \o/

The reason J.J. Abrams is excusing a 3D conversion is a lie. You can shoot anamorphic 3D -- Michael Bay did it for Transformers 3 after all. Paramount just doesn't want to pony up another $30M to shoot and render the film in genuine 3D, like all the cost-cutting measures they're implementing.

And even if that was the case, I honestly can't tell much difference from anamorphically-shot movies to ones shot in Super 35. Again, J.J. Abrams is a terrible liar about the 3D thing.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I have always been rather underwhelmed by Star Trek's aliens.

I understand that with a TV budget, what you can do is limited. But Vulcans, Romulans, and Klingons... indeed, most major alien species, are really just humans with a single physical oddity. Some redesigns would have been nice.

Probably the most egregious example is Star Trek: Insurrection, where the aliens are identical to humans. They don't even bother with strange ears. If they didn't tell you they were aliens, you would have never known.

 

[redhawk23]

Eh not really. I wouldn't agree with that at all. Aside from a slight bump on their forhead they were generally indistinguible from Vulcans. While physically they look Romulan, they have been redesigned to appear monster like. In nature they weren't angry raging Nosferatu sitting in dank rusty pits. They were clever and sly as well as suspicious. The ships they use (Romulan war birds) kinda reflected that nature in the design with a sleek hawk like nose and a fragile looking frame with vibrant greens. The plotlines built around the Romulan character traits in Deep Space 9 was excellent, well above "FIRE EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!"!

For all Nero's gruff screaming and shouting, chucking spears and angst attitude, the founder in Deep Space 9 was far more intimidating a villain by having civil conversion. Now that was a frickin villain.

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I agree with you almost 100% but then again Nero wasn't exactly Romulan high command, he was a miner. Now you can argue that such a character doesn't make for an interesting villain, but the fact remains.

Also, I've seen a lot of the 09 romulan costumes in person and they are totally awesome.

 

[redhawk23]

I have always been rather underwhelmed by Star Trek's aliens.

I understand that with a TV budget, what you can do is limited. But Vulcans, Romulans, and Klingons... indeed, most major alien species, are really just humans with a single physical oddity. Some redesigns would have been nice.

Probably the most egregious example is Star Trek: Insurrection, where the aliens are identical to humans. They don't even bother with strange ears. If they didn't tell you they were aliens, you would have never known.

"Villains" per se have never really been Star Trek's strengthy, which is why I prefer stories based around other kinds of conflict and challenges. That type of thing, and how the different personalities work together to overcome them, are where Trek's strenghts lie and what sets Trek apart.

 

[redhawk23]

Looking at that screenshot as well, it would appear the Romulans have been giving more inward horn like shaped eared bat like ears similar to the original Nosferatu.
For comparison, this is the typically the standard Romulan ears and look.

This is Spocks ears, which appear to be more elve like, visually freindly, as oppossed to Nero's deliberate bad guy design.

I'd recomend who watch the Deep Space 9 episode "Duet". Or read up on Odo who directly opposses (as well as saves) the main villain race. Indeed main characters like Wayoun commit munity because they disagree with the cultural values of the dominion. As do the Jem' Hadar with a small band who create point create an outright mutinty. With the Cardassians main villaim (Damar) also goes against his own people and the Dominion and starts a rebellion against them actually opting (and dying) to help the Federation.

What you have going on in Deep Space 9 is far more culturally sophisticated then the miner nosferatu man who shouts alot and looks angry sitting on his little thrown with spear in big miner jaggy gothic monster ship of ultimate doom weapon, that will kill nerd races, Asain led ships but hopefully not kill the 20 something pretty human planet (full of pretty people) and a nice minty fresh white IKEA built enterprise.

JJ has always been pretty terrible and cliche with chacters, you just need to watch a few episodes of lost to realize this. The TNG movies are guility of dumbing down as well (Jonathan Frakes can most be blamed for this as he wanted to make Startrek action movies).

If your'e going to throw out IKEA sets, the cheap wooden look is pretty much old Trek all the way.


Question for you, and anyone else really: How do you rank the Star Trek films? You obviously have no love for ST09.

Personally I usually rank them as such, though my mood can certainly change on the matter.

1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn
2. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
3. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
4. First Contact
5. Star Trek 09
6. Generations
7. The Search for Spock
8. The Motion Picture
9 Nemesis
10. Insurrection
11. The Final Frontier- actually can I just continue to ignore the existence of this one? Waste of a damn good title.

 

[Dark Raven]

If they had thought it through before, they should've called Star Trek V "The Undiscovered Country" and VI "The Final Frontier." That might've had a better ring to it and would've looked more appropriate. With ST V, the centre of the universe where they travelled could easily have been the Undiscovered Country (instead of referring to the future, or death in its original Shakespearean context). Incidentally, weren't they going to call Star Trek II The Undiscovered Country at one point?

With ST VI, not only was it the last original cast film, but also it could've been seen as the last barrier to come down between humans and klingons, so The Final Frontier would've been fitting.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Simon Pegg gets an interesting present from J.J. Abrams for his recent 42nd birthday.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/02/14/happy-birthday-simon-pegg-check-out-his-present-from-jj-abrams/

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^That's freakin hilarious!

 

[Doctor Jones]

The **** is that?

 

[S.H.I.E.L.D.]

Anyone else think it's weird that this has started shooting and they haven't put out the usual press release with an extremely vague plot description, cast and key crew member list?