Storm Vs Thor

[Varient]

Well, he cemented once and for all that the Pro-Reg side is being led by a bunch of evil bastards and literally held the readership's attention hostage. Plus, he struck the first casualty of the war. It was his actions that let everybody on both sides know that this is deadly serious and relations between certain characters can never be the same again.

Seems pretty important - far more important than being T'Challa's trophy wide.

So,... You believe that the fans would rather read about "Thor clone" than Storm?

Interesting.

The great thing about her character? She's not "defined" as only one thing.

The reason I could never get into Thor is that he has the SAME issues,... His dad,.. his brother, his strained relations with his wife, (who in Marvel Canon he has yet to marry),

I have issues with his limitations,... He needs the HAMMER to do all his "God - Level stuff. He has spent THOUSANDS of Years being beat down by his dad and Still doesn't have a clue sometimes as far as the lessons his father was trying to put across. His Base powers appear to flucuate to allow him to be beat by unlikely foes.

He's Stagnant.

I accept that there are people who really appreciate the character,... I myself like it when he cuts loose on an ultron or Thanos,.... but I just see him as the same thing - a "God" who walks among men,.. has a civilian idenity and has family issues.

This was him in the begining,.. this was him in his heyday,.. this is him NOW.

 

[Varient]

Well, he cemented once and for all that the Pro-Reg side is being led by a bunch of evil bastards and literally held the readership's attention hostage. Plus, he struck the first casualty of the war. It was his actions that let everybody on both sides know that this is deadly serious and relations between certain characters can never be the same again.

Seems pretty important - far more important than being T'Challa's trophy wide.

So,... You believe that the fans would rather read about "Thor clone" than Storm?

Interesting.

The great thing about her character? She's not "defined" as only one thing.

The reason I could never get into Thor is that he has the SAME issues,... His dad,.. his brother, his strained relations with his wife, (who in Marvel Canon he has yet to marry),

I have issues with his limitations,... He needs the HAMMER to do all his "God - Level stuff. He has spent THOUSANDS of Years being beat down by his dad and Still doesn't have a clue sometimes as far as the lessons his father was trying to put across. His Base powers appear to flucuate to allow him to be beat by unlikely foes.

He's Stagnant.

I accept that there are people who really appreciate the character,... I myself like it when he cuts loose on an ultron or Thanos,.... but I just see him as the same thing - a "God" who walks among men,.. has a civilian idenity and has family issues.

This was him in the begining,.. this was him in his heyday,.. this is him NOW.

 

[KAD]

So,... You believe that the fans would rather read about "Thor clone" than Storm?

Interesting.

The great thing about her character? She's not "defined" as only one thing.

The reason I could never get into Thor is that he has the SAME issues,... His dad,.. his brother, his strained relations with his wife, (who in Marvel Canon he has yet to marry),

I have issues with his limitations,... He needs the HAMMER to do all his "God - Level stuff. He has spent THOUSANDS of Years being beat down by his dad and Still doesn't have a clue sometimes as far as the lessons his father was trying to put across. His Base powers appear to flucuate to allow him to be beat by unlikely foes.

He's Stagnant.

I accept that there are people who really appreciate the character,... I myself like it when he cuts loose on an ultron or Thanos,.... but I just see him as the same thing - a "God" who walks among men,.. has a civilian idenity and has family issues.

This was him in the begining,.. this was him in his heyday,.. this is him NOW.

You are kidding right?

Thor has gone through numerous changes.

By the way I didn't know he was married and he doesn't need the Hammer to use his power it just acts as a focus.

 

[HandOfFate]

Well, he cemented once and for all that the Pro-Reg side is being led by a bunch of evil bastards and literally held the readership's attention hostage. Plus, he struck the first casualty of the war. It was his actions that let everybody on both sides know that this is deadly serious and relations between certain characters can never be the same again.

So in other words a tool, killed somebody not Thor.

But Storm isn't an X-Man anymore.

Come on Cyke, you know the rules. "Once a X-Man, always a X-Man"

 

[Varient]

So, your argument is that because you've never seen Thor do something he must be incapable of doing it? Like Cyclops mentioned, Thor has been a warrior for thousands of years. At this point we have no way of knowing, what Thor would do if he lost his powers. So there's no point in comparing what we think he might do in that situation to what Storm did.

However, I agree that Storm's accomplishments during the time she led the X-Men without her powers are a clear proof of her skills, intelligence and strength of character.

No,.. My argument is that the Thor fans who have issue with Storm just need to back off on the "She's shallow and boring" riff.

The character has SHOWN much more latitude than Thor in her day to day. She is/has been an or orphan, a thief, traveling companion to a prince, a Goddess of the plains, an X-man with the power to toss Jumbo jets around and force Doom to retreat after crossing the line on one of her three flaws. In the same light she has been courted by Doom, by Magneto, She lead the X-men, and followed the X-men credo w/o powers.

Without a Hammer to form gateways,.. she has been across this Galaxy, has been a part of SAVING the Universe on two occasions NOT counting the Phoenix Incidents. She has been INSTRUMENTAL in saving the EArth from Invasion on two occasions, has come back from being Depowered, from being Neutered, (Genoshia), from being changed into a child, (Intro of Gambit), Has been Stranded in places that would give a thunderGod pause.

I'm just irritated that YEARS of her being better than humans and metahumans,.. holding to a higher standard because she had no choice - is dismissed by people more interested in a guy who is a tool user. THE CHARACTER IS RICH,... I could give similar rants to maybe 20 Marvel characters who have captured my imagination becuase of the twist that is their backdrop which rests their powers.

V.

 

[Varient]

People seem to forget that

If Thor were totally depowered he'd still be one of the greatest Warriors who ever lived

heck he'd be Conan with a thousand times more experience, and Conan beat Captain America

?
Okay.
We'll just agree to disagree,.. because I see him as a great tool user,... and a serious brawler,... but I've seen better moves from Ben Grimm.

 

[HandOfFate]

I've been reading for 10 years, chum, and I'm trying to read more stuff.

Probably, but only because they needed to. Cyclops is a simple and extremely niche character (I love Cyclops). Jeans had substantial development (More than Storm).

Hmmm....correct me if I'm wrong but seeing that you only started 10 years ago, I'm guessing more of your opinion on Storm comes from Scott Lobdell.

If so that's really sad.

 

[bkhedr]

?
THOUSANDS OF YEARS AS A SUPER POWERED WARRIOR Doesn't mean much if those powers are taken away.

Like saying a bird with wings which flew every year from Hawaii to California,... Lop off it's wings and it's still going to make hawaii within the season of travel?

Dude, sorry but this is just poorly thought out on your part

He is a warrior. He has been a warrior for thousands of years. If you take away his strength and magical abilities he's still the same deadly effiecient supremely talented warrior who has lead countless armies in countless wars. He just wont be as strong or be able to control the weather

hence my comment about what he would become, Conan with about a thousand times more experience, and still able to pwn Storm

think before you type

 

[Zeu]

I was never impressed by Thor´s "alledged" combat skills myself.

For someone with THOUSANDS of years expertise, all he seems to do is lift hammer up and down. Repeat. Up. Down. Repeat. Up. Down.

Some skill indeed....

 

[bkhedr]

You are kidding right?

Thor has gone through numerous changes.

By the way I didn't know he was married and he doesn't need the Hammer to use his power it just acts as a focus.

Exactly

he is the god of thunder (with weather control powers that trump Storm's) with or without Mjolnir. Mjolnir just makes the gap between them that much larger

 

[Varient]

All things aside good post. I'd give it 7/10.

Good knowledge, but you could mature a little.

Who's more mature? someone who just slams a character w/o explanation,
(boring and shallow)

or someone who EXPLAINS HIS POINT or reasoning w/o being prompted?

Get off your high horse.

 

[bkhedr]

I was never impressed by Thor´s "alledged" combat skills myself.

For someone with THOUSANDS of years expertise, all he seems to do is lift hammer up and down. Repeat. Up. Down. Repeat. Up. Down.

Some skill indeed....

Do yourself a favor

read Oeming's ragnarok

 

[Varient]

OKAAAY next:



You sure? Anyway I understand why people like her (although I don't get why SO MANY people like her). I don't though.


Believe it. What I meant was (and I'll use the same example) the Shadow King attempts to take over Storm's mind and she yells "NEVER!" or some such buffoonery. The SK is then taken aback "Wow such indomitable will!" Now I'm not gonna believe someone has intomitable will just because i'm told they have it. I wanna see it. Eg Wolverine will not let ANYTHING go. He''ll chase you down and cut you up. He physically never gives up. He's a machine. Emotionally, I'll give it that Storm has will, but if you put a lot of characters in that position they'd do the same.

Well, he was a GOD. Then he was the KING of GODS, so he literally ruled. Also he's not a ***** for tight spaces.[/QUOTE]
here we go with the insults.

Sigh

Since you can't put across someone resisting a telepathic attack save by the person resisting and the attacker saying "what a tough nut to crack" you show a distressing literal-mindedness in putting the incident down to just her yelling.

Tsk.

 

[Zeu]

I´ve noticed nobody addressded the issue I brought up.

Why is it people ***** and moan about Superman being too powerful when they fall head over heels for Thor BECAUSE he´s this perfect stronger-than-thou nordic GOD?

"- I hate Superman, the guy is TOO powerful. But Thor rocks, the guy is a GOD. Plus he could trounce Superman."

That makes sense....

 

[bkhedr]

I will admit that the numerous examples given by the people who voted Storm have made me reconsider my opinion about her. She does seem more interesting then I originally gave her credit for but I reiterate that you guys are deluding yourselves by thinking she is in Thor's class

He is one of the premier characters in the MU both in power and importance to the MU (forget about the readers I'm talking about the characters who populate the MU)

Cap, Iron Man, Thor

The big three. The core of the Avengers.

no matter how much you like storm try to keep that in perspective

 

[bkhedr]

I´ve noticed nobody addressded the issue I brought up.

Why is it people ***** and moan about Superman being too powerful when they fall head over heels for Thor BECAUSE he´s this perfect stronger-than-thou nordic GOD?

"- I hate Superman, the guy is TOO powerful. But Thor rocks, the guy is a GOD. Plus he could trounce Superman."

That makes sense....

no one wants to address it because anything in the Superman vs Thor mold has already been discussed to death in other threads. And it really has no place in this thread since no one in this thread has made that allegation.
In fact it acctually bugs me when people say something like that and say that it bugs them

"I hate Superman, the guys is TOO powerful. But Thor rocks, the guy is a GOD. Plus he could trounce Superman"

Who said this? Did you say it? Personally I love Superman and I dont think he's too powerful at all. Also Thor would beat him 6 out of 10 times t:

And now just to kill this line of thinking once and for all:

How many characters in the MU are more powerful than Thor?

ALOT

 

[Zeu]

I will admit that the numerous examples given by the people who voted Storm have made me reconsider my opinion about her. She does seem more interesting then I originally gave her credit for but I reiterate that you guys are deluding yourselves by thinking she is in Thor's class



He is one of the premier characters in the MU both in power and importance to the MU (forget about the readers I'm talking about the characters who populate the MU)



Cap, Iron Man, Thor



The big three. The core of the Avengers.



no matter how much you like storm try to keep that in perspective

By that logic, the big six are Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk Wasp and Pym.

Does anyone even know who Wasp and Pym are, aside from half a dozen MU fans?

 

[Varient]

WHAT!!! His thousands of years of battle experience would disappear with his powers? So how come that didn't happen when he lost his powers back in the 90's when all the Norse gods were missing and Thor was mortal. I remember him taking on an entire gang of armed thugs and wiping the floor with them. At the end of the fight Black Widow (Avengers leader at the time) and the rest of the team showed up to ask him to rejoin. Thor explained that he had lost his powers and wouldn't be of much use. Widow surveyed the battle field and said "You did all this without powers, you'll do!" He went on to have some pretty good fights with the Avengers without his powers

I wish that you guys can understand my point here. Thor when stripped of his powers doesn't continue on as an avenger,... didn't continue to fight the good fight - when asked to continue with the Avengers HE DECLINED. I don't remember a run with a depowered THOR,.. so I'll have to go looking for those issues in my collection in my spare time.

V.

 

[bkhedr]

By that logic, the big six are Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk Wasp and Pym.

Does anyone even know who Wasp and Pym are, aside from half a dozen MU fans?

Did I say six?

dont put words into my mouth just because I'm arguing circles around you

and read my post properly...what the hell do the fans have to do with the people who live in the MU?

 

[bkhedr]

I wish that you guys can understand my point here. Thor when stripped of his powers doesn't continue on as an avenger,... didn't continue to fight the good fight - when asked to continue with the Avengers HE DECLINED. I don't remember a run with a depowered THOR,.. so I'll have to go looking for those issues in my collection in my spare time.

V.

Agreed. And I understand your point but so what? There is a lot more to Thor then being an Avenger.

 

[Zeu]

Did I say six?

dont put words into my mouth just because I'm arguing circles around you

and read my post properly...what the hell do the fans have to do with the people who live in the MU?

Relax, man, you´re in a comic book forum , not at the UN security council debating North Korea´s nuclear tests.

And if you want to speak about power and importance, Storm was an X-Men leader (that team that has saved the world more times than I can count) and someone who could DEVASTATE the planet if she wanted.

She is powerful and important.

And more popular than Thor to boot.

So she can´t defeat him. Well, neither can Captain America (who´s FAR more important to the MU than Thor ever was).

 

[Varient]

You are kidding right?

Thor has gone through numerous changes.

By the way I didn't know he was married and he doesn't need the Hammer to use his power it just acts as a focus.

I have really tried to be fair here.
I have racked my brains and can't remember a time when Thor started a storm WITHOUT THE HAMMER.

I'm trying to remember him forming gateways, throwing energy around, or flying by throwing any other heavy object and hitching a ride.

Norse Mythology,.. He and Sif have more than an understanding,... they wre Married. In Marvel she is the Lady Sif,... the woman in waiting and warrior fem with a sword.

V.

 

[bkhedr]

Relax, man, you´re in a comic book forum , not at the UN security council debating North Korea´s nuclear tests.

And if you want to speak about power and importance, Storm was an X-Men leader (that team that has saved the world more times than I can count) and someone who could DEVASTATE the planet if she wanted.

She is powerful and important.

And more popular than Thor to boot.

So she can´t defeat him. Well, neither can Captain America (who´s FAR more important to the MU than Thor ever was).

Dude Storm was the leader of the X-men is all well and good but Thor was the leader of the Avengers (apparently being Prince of Asgard isnt proof enough of his leadership abilites). I dont think anyone will argue that the Avengers are the premier superhero team in the MU hence leading them (which Thor did) trumps leading the X-men

I still think Thor is more important to the MU than Storm is (heck I know it for sure) but there's really no point in debating in any longer

But I dont think Storm could devastate the planet. I've seen nothing to suggest she has that kind of range. And even if she did Thor would just negate her weather manipulation through force of will

 

[Varient]

Dude, sorry but this is just poorly thought out on your part

He is a warrior. He has been a warrior for thousands of years. If you take away his strength and magical abilities he's still the same deadly effiecient supremely talented warrior who has lead countless armies in countless wars. He just wont be as strong or be able to control the weather

hence my comment about what he would become, Conan with about a thousand times more experience, and still able to pwn Storm

think before you type

All you guys need to stop.

By feats,.. I've seen little if any proof of thousands of years of fighter prowess. If true the writers and artists after Kirby has done you guys a disservice.

 

[Varient]

Dude, sorry but this is just poorly thought out on your part

He is a warrior. He has been a warrior for thousands of years. If you take away his strength and magical abilities he's still the same deadly effiecient supremely talented warrior who has lead countless armies in countless wars. He just wont be as strong or be able to control the weather

hence my comment about what he would become, Conan with about a thousand times more experience, and still able to pwn Storm

think before you type

All you guys need to stop.

By feats,.. I've seen little if any proof of thousands of years of fighter prowess. If true the writers and artists after Kirby has done you guys a disservice.