Storm Vs Thor

[Doombringer]

Jesus, now your nitpicking on how many ways Thor can swing his hammer? Scratching the bottom of the barrel much arent we? It dont matter how i swing a war hammer, its still gonna crack your skull open and leave your jaw hanging off. A weapon like a war hammer is best used in a simplistic way. Besides Mjolinir is probably one of the more versatile weapons ive seen in comics (as it helps channel Thors power, desperses his godforce, opens gateway, etc). I dont know what you expect Thor to do with it, become all Donetello from TMNT and swing that thing like a ninja? He throws it, it never misses its mark and it will all in all probably kill you from the impact alone. Simple and very effective. Add a little electricity and magic, and nothing short of the Hulk will probably come out of that not ****ed up.

Varient, im all for you sticking up for your character Storm, but some times you make no sense. How can taking away Thors powers make him less of a warrior? He will still have his warrior skills. True he cant go up against Asgardian Trolls or other super-powered threats like he used to, but he can still fight and uses his expierence in war. Besides Thor isnt exactly a small guy, even without his super strength hes still gonna **** alot of peoples day up who are on his level. Give that guy a sledge hammer and see what happens.

Have them both Storm and Thor depowered and see what happens.

Want some show on Thors warrior prowess, indominable will, etc? Like people have said- One word- RAGNAROK.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

While Thor is not a practicing sorceror he has shown a decent knowledge of magic. If he were depowered for any length of time he might fall back on magic. He has been known to work magic that is not among his hammers enchantments such as healing Jane Foster and restoring his last worshipper to temporary youth so this is not a big stretch.

 

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Who's more mature? someone who just slams a character w/o explanation,
(boring and shallow)

or someone who EXPLAINS HIS POINT or reasoning w/o being prompted?

Get off your high horse.

A lot of my posts are done at work, so I have limited time to complete them, so sorry.

Yes I am to the point, and (when it comes to most comics) literal minded. I didn't 'slam' a character, or you, despite any 'offense' taken. I just said based on my experience (which admittedly is limited compared to many) I find the character dull. Thats my opinion. I have no problem with anyone discussing otherwise, in fact I welcome it. Your post (and the other ones too) were good, I thought 7/10 was a good mark.

What really ticked me off was the offense you took. I didn't call your mother or sleep with your wife, so get over it. Other people in this thread have said the same thing as me and justified it less.

Anyhow, I appreciate the argument, if not the manner it was conducted. Life is too short.

 

[bkhedr]

Punching is not as straightforward as you seem to imply.
There are hundreds of possible variations depending on the technique and intended result.

Certainly it´s more complex than what I´ve seen Thor deliver to this day, which consists of basically lifting hammer up and down (or right to left when he´s feeling particularly imaginative ).

So much for "Thousands of years of expertise".

my god

If I thought like you did I could just say That Wolverine has no skill because all he does is make a slashing or thrusting motion with his claws. And IronFist has no skill because I've only ever seen him throw one kind of punch and one kind of kick. And Captain America only knows how to throw a straight punch because that;s the only punch the artists know how to draw

you're thinking is flawed

 

[bkhedr]

I woulden't turn this into a x-men vs Avengers if i were you, both teams are undoubtly two of the best

Why wouldnt I? The Avengers are marvel's premier super hero team. The X-men are more popular with the fans. These are facts and you cant dispute them.


You really must not know the versity of storm's power.

Versatility and range arent the same thing


Well storm haves to work alot harder then thor on the elements. For example: to stop a storm she haves to become one with it and use some of her own energy to stop it, as thor controls it magically and i guess just imagine it gone without any strain on himself. I don't even think thor's mentally attached to nature like storm is.

He's the god of thunder to him the storm's are sentient and obey his will without hesitation because he is their lord and master.

 

[bkhedr]

LOL! You can swing the hammer about as many ways as you can a fist, plus you can throw it, smash things and send the debris flying at your opponent, shoot cosmic energy, summon lightning and other elements, siphon magic, ect, ect, ect. Lets see you do all that with your fist. Thor is no stranger to fighting hand to hand either but for many years he couldn't stay as Thor if he was out of contact with it for to long so it was mandatory for him to use the hammer. That was both interesting and lame in various stories.

What many of you don't get is that Thor is mostly a lone fighter. Battle experience in a one on one or one against many fight has more to do with positioning yourself, reflexes and timming, and honning your skills to perfection than leadership and organizing a mass group strategy. The average pro fighter is still trying to improve his reflexes and timming when his body starts getting over the hill and declining. Thor on the other hand has continued getting better for centuries.You can't show these kind of skills in illistrations you just have to accept that the character creators and writters say they exist. Leading a team is a different skill, one that Thor has shown the ability to do but it's probably not his strongest quality.

great post CanaryFan. Zeu just doesnt know how to read a comic book. Nor does he seem to understand what it takes to be a great warrior. There are things Thor does that you dont see in a single still panel. What's more if you know about fighting then you know that most of what seperates a great fighter from a good one are minute almost impereceptible details like positioning, balance, and timing. Things that no artist will ever show

 

[Silicon Surfer]

He also loves the Storm, the more extreme the better. Read the Secret Wars and you will find a scene where the heros are inside talking about how extreme the thunderstorm is and that it is worse than anything earth can produce. Someone tells the rest that Thor is outside in it and egging it on. They then show Thor outside reveling in the experiance. I believe that they refer to the raindrops as hitting like .44 magnum bullets. I have never ran across a description of Thors perspective on storm control but he definately feels an empathy and an affinity for the Storm he does not merely order it to do something even if it is not a direct mental connection ( which it may be for all we know ).

 

[bkhedr]

sweet

I really need to read Secret Wars

 

[PinnyPed]

Hi! My first post.

I thought this was settled by Contest of Champions II where the Thor/Storm match is shown to be kind of a joke. Storm hits Thor with a huge blast of weather power and he just shrugs it off. She tries to overpower him through physical strength and he laughs it off. And, it was written by Claremont, who might know something about Storm's limits and has no problem writing strong female characters.

Secondly, Storm has shown in an X-men/Avenger miniseries that she dislikes Thor because he just tells the weather what to do and it does it, unlike her who really has to influence weather patterns and such to make a change in the weather.

Thirdly, Thor without powers. It's happened quite a bit over the character's 45 year history. Here are some highlights:

Thor 145-148 - Thor's powers are removed except his strength which is his birthright, but he still fights Loki, The Wrecker (and beats him) and the Destroyer. In a crossover to Fantastic Four (#66 I believe) a depowered Thor goes toe-to-toe with The Thing.

Thor in the 490's loses his powers and has normal human strength but still manages to defeat an entire gang armed with heavy weaponry while unarmed in a great fight sequence. Depowered Thor then goes on a mission with Captain America and keeps up with Cap athletically as they plow through enemies and jump from rooftop to rooftop in a trip through NYC.

Off the top of my head that's all I can think of, but remember Asgard was full of enemies that were equal or superior to Thor in strength and power. The early Kirby issues show a lot of fighting skill, but then again Kirby was great at drawing fighting scenes.

I like Storm, she's a great supporting character. But, Thor was a Stan Lee creation that introduced, along with the Fantastic Four, many of the cosmic and interdimensional vistas and concepts that made yesterday's Marvel great and that the company should be building on today. Thor is one of the spokes of the foundational wheel that Marvel is based on, Storm is one of the beneficiaries.

By the way, it sounds like most of your comic histories start with Claremont's Xmen. I recommend Thor Essentials 2 and 3 to give you an idea of why Thor is leading Storm in the balloting 80-20%.

 

[Varient]

OK, I'll explain again, Thor knows this is the best method, proabably from trying out other stuff.

A master swordsman is someone who only ever needs to do one simple slash. He arrives at this conclusion after years of training and stuff, same goes for Thor..

Okay.
You guys are getting scary with the mechanics of smacking something.

 

[Varient]

Varient, im all for you sticking up for your character Storm, but some times you make no sense. How can taking away Thors powers make him less of a warrior? He will still have his warrior skills. True he cant go up against Asgardian Trolls or other super-powered threats like he used to, but he can still fight and uses his expierence in war. Besides Thor isnt exactly a small guy, even without his super strength hes still gonna **** alot of peoples day up who are on his level. Give that guy a sledge hammer and see what happens.

Have them both Storm and Thor depowered and see what happens.

Want some show on Thors warrior prowess, indominable will, etc? Like people have said- One word- RAGNAROK.

Eh,... that entire sidebar was after too many "thor-Fans" said that Storm was shallow and boring with nothing going for her period.
It was part of my statements to show how varied and versatel her history has been since she was created and used the fact that she operated FOR YEARS without her super powers and still remained popular as STORM and that thor was simply not THOR without his powers in comparison.

I think I'd buy a comic with that fight,... I've read her easily beating multiples w/o her powers so I figure that Thor would'nt win this w/o getting mussed up.

 

[Varient]

A lot of my posts are done at work, so I have limited time to complete them, so sorry.

Yes I am to the point, and (when it comes to most comics) literal minded. I didn't 'slam' a character, or you, despite any 'offense' taken. I just said based on my experience (which admittedly is limited compared to many) I find the character dull. Thats my opinion. I have no problem with anyone discussing otherwise, in fact I welcome it. Your post (and the other ones too) were good, I thought 7/10 was a good mark.

What really ticked me off was the offense you took. I didn't call your mother or sleep with your wife, so get over it. Other people in this thread have said the same thing as me and justified it less.

Anyhow, I appreciate the argument, if not the manner it was conducted. Life is too short.

Granted
No heat
Peace.

 

[Zeu]

my god

If I thought like you did I could just say That Wolverine has no skill because all he does is make a slashing or thrusting motion with his claws. And IronFist has no skill because I've only ever seen him throw one kind of punch and one kind of kick. And Captain America only knows how to throw a straight punch because that;s the only punch the artists know how to draw

you're thinking is flawed

No, see, all the heroes you listed have shown through their long history a vast arroy of techniques and method. They jump, they kick, they block, they sidestep, they target vital organs, they apply pressure point hits.

Thor just swings up and down his hammer 99% of the time. Or left and right when he´s feeling particularly imaginative.

If that´s all he´s been doing for the last 1,000 years, that´s 990 years swinging a hammer up and down (or left and right when he´s feeling particularly imaginative).
Statistically, that means that he only had to actually use his braincells (i.e. technique) in 10 of those 1,000 years

 

[bkhedr]

Eh,... that entire sidebar was after too many "thor-Fans" said that Storm was shallow and boring with nothing going for her period.
It was part of my statements to show how varied and versatel her history has been since she was created and used the fact that she operated FOR YEARS without her super powers and still remained popular as STORM and that thor was simply not THOR without his powers in comparison.

I think I'd buy a comic with that fight,... I've read her easily beating multiples w/o her powers so I figure that Thor would'nt win this w/o getting mussed up.

See PinnyPed's post. Thor without powers = Conan (kind of) >>> Storm without powers

You telling me Storm without powers could physically keep up with Cap? I dont think so

with all his skills and experience she would (in my opinion) be lucky to hurt him at all. If she could then she'd be one of the best hand ot hand fighters in the MU (which she's not, to my knowledge)

 

[bkhedr]

No, see, all the heroes you listed have shown through their long history a vast arroy of techniques and method. They jump, they kick, they block, they sidestep, they target vital organs, they apply pressure point hits.

Thor just swings up and down his hammer 99% of the time. Or left and right when he´s feeling particularly imaginative.

If that´s all he´s been doing for the last 1,000 years, that´s 990 years swinging a hammer up and down (or left and right when he´s feeling particularly imaginative).
Statistically, that means that he only had to actually use his braincells (i.e. technique) in 10 of those 1,000 years

I see there's no point in debating with you. You can keep your opinion unchanged (completely flawed though it may be)

 

[Zeu]

I see there's no point in debating with you. You can keep your opinion unchanged (completely flawed though it may be)

Welcome to the internet.

 

[bkhedr]

Okay.
You guys are getting scary with the mechanics of smacking something.

blame Zeu for insisting on pushing his warped theory about Thor's skills down our throats

no one sane could take it without replying

 

[bkhedr]

Welcome to the internet.

See what you've done by replying? You got me going again! t:

In your post you mention how Thor spent his existence swinging his hammer with no skill at all.

Well consider that Thor has lead armies into war against armies of Rock Trolls and Ice Giants. Some of the Rock Trolls are close to his strength. Some of the giants exceed his strength. They all have Spears and maces and clubs and swords and arrows made of asgardian metals that can wound and even kill him. And yet he went into battle with them and came out unscathed (killing dozens)

Now what do you think happened? You think he walked up to a bunch of rock trolls with axes and "swung his hammer up and down"
heck no!
if he did he'd be dead!

He is one of the greatest warriors who ever lived. That's why he's still alive. Asgardians go into battle against enemies who can kill them everyday. The prospect of violent death is with them all the time, and in this violent world Thor is aknowledged as the greatest warrior of all.

 

[bkhedr]

Hi! My first post.

I thought this was settled by Contest of Champions II where the Thor/Storm match is shown to be kind of a joke. Storm hits Thor with a huge blast of weather power and he just shrugs it off. She tries to overpower him through physical strength and he laughs it off. And, it was written by Claremont, who might know something about Storm's limits and has no problem writing strong female characters.

Secondly, Storm has shown in an X-men/Avenger miniseries that she dislikes Thor because he just tells the weather what to do and it does it, unlike her who really has to influence weather patterns and such to make a change in the weather.

Thirdly, Thor without powers. It's happened quite a bit over the character's 45 year history. Here are some highlights:

Thor 145-148 - Thor's powers are removed except his strength which is his birthright, but he still fights Loki, The Wrecker (and beats him) and the Destroyer. In a crossover to Fantastic Four (#66 I believe) a depowered Thor goes toe-to-toe with The Thing.

Thor in the 490's loses his powers and has normal human strength but still manages to defeat an entire gang armed with heavy weaponry while unarmed in a great fight sequence. Depowered Thor then goes on a mission with Captain America and keeps up with Cap athletically as they plow through enemies and jump from rooftop to rooftop in a trip through NYC.

Off the top of my head that's all I can think of, but remember Asgard was full of enemies that were equal or superior to Thor in strength and power. The early Kirby issues show a lot of fighting skill, but then again Kirby was great at drawing fighting scenes.

I like Storm, she's a great supporting character. But, Thor was a Stan Lee creation that introduced, along with the Fantastic Four, many of the cosmic and interdimensional vistas and concepts that made yesterday's Marvel great and that the company should be building on today. Thor is one of the spokes of the foundational wheel that Marvel is based on, Storm is one of the beneficiaries.

By the way, it sounds like most of your comic histories start with Claremont's Xmen. I recommend Thor Essentials 2 and 3 to give you an idea of why Thor is leading Storm in the balloting 80-20%.

welcome to the hype!

 

[Zeu]

See what you've done by replying? You got me going again! t:

In your post you mention how Thor spent his existence swinging his hammer with no skill at all.

Well consider that Thor has lead armies into war against armies of Rock Trolls and Ice Giants. Some of the Rock Trolls are close to his strength. Some of the giants exceed his strength. They all have Spears and maces and clubs and swords and arrows made of asgardian metals that can wound and even kill him. And yet he went into battle with them and came out unscathed (killing dozens)

Now what do you think happened? You think he walked up to a bunch of rock trolls with axes and "swung his hammer up and down"
heck no!
if he did he'd be dead!

He is one of the greatest warriors who ever lived. That's why he's still alive. Asgardians go into battle against enemies who can kill them everyday. The prospect of violent death is with them all the time, and in this violent world Thor is aknowledged as the greatest warrior of all.

Psshaw!

He has a Plot Device weapon in his hands.

Like I said, it´s like playing Resident Evil with the riocket launcher.
The only real problem when he sees a giant whatever in front of him is deciding what trick to use since (apparently) the hammer can do EVERYTHING.

"- Ooh, a hill giant. Open dmentional portal, throws giant in hell."
"- Oooh, a hill troll. Summons lightning."
"- Oooh, an army of cave trolld. Summons Godblast."
Yawn.

I´m surprised he doesn´t take the hammer to bed too.

 

[bkhedr]

Bah!

you just had read any Thor!

and Mjolnir can do 'almost' anything. And why not? Its one of the most powerful weapons in the universe. Doesnt make him any less skillful for having it. That's like saying Batman would have no skill if he had a power ring

 

[The Weather God]

Why wouldnt I? The Avengers are marvel's premier super hero team. The X-men are more popular with the fans. These are facts and you cant dispute them.

Because both teams have acomplished alot in the past and i seriously believe that x-men have done just as much or even more then avengers, especially seeing that the phoenix (one of the most powerful entitys in comic book history) was an obsticals in their path. Just because it's the premier doesen't necessarily make it a better team. So yes it can still be disputed of which team is better.​

Versatility and range arent the same thing

But it's her Versatility in which would be the key in devastating the earth, and you also must not know of her ranges in powers.

See PinnyPed's post. Thor without powers = Conan (kind of) >>> Storm without powers

You telling me Storm without powers could physically keep up with Cap? I dont think so

with all his skills and experience she would (in my opinion) be lucky to hurt him at all. If she could then she'd be one of the best hand ot hand fighters in the MU (which she's not, to my knowledge)

Sorry but captain america is a super human so he still haves a slight advantage toward her. Still captain america was dead for a very long time before he came back, so he is no more experienced then storm in fightning or war.

 

[Zeu]

Bah!

you just had read any Thor!

OMG!
He does, doesn´t he?

Bah!
and Mjolnir can do 'almost' anything. And why not? Its one of the most powerful weapons in the universe. Doesnt make him any less skillful for having it. That's like saying Batman would have no skill if he had a power ring

Considering that he has to take pointers from everyone, from Captain Amercia to Wasp, yeah, I question his 1,000 years skills.

 

[bkhedr]

OMG!
He does, doesn´t he?

you know what I mean smartass!t:



Considering that he has to take pointers from everyone, from Captain Amercia to Wasp, yeah, I question his 1,000 years skills.

Havent seen it for myself. And if its true then its just horrendous writing

 

[Ahura Mazda]

This is a ridiculous thread, if it was a battle thor destroys Storm whereas in poularity depending on demographics it can go eith way.

With regrad to warrior skills, if Thor was portrayed to his true potential would any of the other Avengers been of any use? Of course he takes pointers from the 'leader' even though he is a leader of great armies in his own right. Otherwise it would not have been the avengers but Thor and freinds.