Storm Vs Thor

[bkhedr]

Because both teams have acomplished alot in the past and i seriously believe that x-men have done just as much or even more then avengers, especially seeing that the phoenix (one of the most powerful entitys in comic book history) was an obsticals in their path. Just because it's the premier doesen't necessarily make it a better team. So yes it can still be disputed of which team is better.​

I'm not saying the Avengers have accomplished more, or are a better team. (though I think they have) I am saying that if the world is in peril and super heroes are needed. They pick up the phone and call the Avengers, not the X-men. I am saying that heroes everywhere dream of one day being Avengers more so than they dream about being X-men. I think you'd agree with me there.

But it's her Versatility in which would be the key in devastating the earth, and you also must not know of her ranges in powers.

I could be wrong but I thought she needed to feel the weather and coerce it into obeying her bidding. If this is true I dont see how she could manipulate the weather in lets say Australia from Xavier's lawn. That's what I mean by range and that's why I dont think she can devastate the world. A city? sure.



Sorry but captain america is a super human so he still haves a slight advantage toward her. Still captain america was dead for a very long time before he came back, so he is no more experienced then storm in fightning or war.

Captain America is peak human and dude he fought how many battles in world war 2? Real War. Ugly War. Stuff Storm better pray to god she never sees. Please dont tell me her experience equals Caps, its just not true.

 

[Cyclops]

Let's not forget that Thor has actually been worshipped over time. The only worshipping Storm gets is from fanboys and certain creators.

In the historical sense, Thor's more popular.

 

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Hi! My first post.

I thought this was settled by Contest of Champions II where the Thor/Storm match is shown to be kind of a joke. Storm hits Thor with a huge blast of weather power and he just shrugs it off. She tries to overpower him through physical strength and he laughs it off. And, it was written by Claremont, who might know something about Storm's limits and has no problem writing strong female characters.

Secondly, Storm has shown in an X-men/Avenger miniseries that she dislikes Thor because he just tells the weather what to do and it does it, unlike her who really has to influence weather patterns and such to make a change in the weather.

Thirdly, Thor without powers. It's happened quite a bit over the character's 45 year history. Here are some highlights:

Thor 145-148 - Thor's powers are removed except his strength which is his birthright, but he still fights Loki, The Wrecker (and beats him) and the Destroyer. In a crossover to Fantastic Four (#66 I believe) a depowered Thor goes toe-to-toe with The Thing.

Thor in the 490's loses his powers and has normal human strength but still manages to defeat an entire gang armed with heavy weaponry while unarmed in a great fight sequence. Depowered Thor then goes on a mission with Captain America and keeps up with Cap athletically as they plow through enemies and jump from rooftop to rooftop in a trip through NYC.

Off the top of my head that's all I can think of, but remember Asgard was full of enemies that were equal or superior to Thor in strength and power. The early Kirby issues show a lot of fighting skill, but then again Kirby was great at drawing fighting scenes.

I like Storm, she's a great supporting character. But, Thor was a Stan Lee creation that introduced, along with the Fantastic Four, many of the cosmic and interdimensional vistas and concepts that made yesterday's Marvel great and that the company should be building on today. Thor is one of the spokes of the foundational wheel that Marvel is based on, Storm is one of the beneficiaries.

By the way, it sounds like most of your comic histories start with Claremont's Xmen. I recommend Thor Essentials 2 and 3 to give you an idea of why Thor is leading Storm in the balloting 80-20%.

Welcome to the hype, and a great first post.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Let's not forget that Thor has actually been worshipped over time. The only worshipping Storm gets is from fanboys and certain creators.

In the historical sense, Thor's more popular.

The people of the serengeti also worshipped Storm as a goddess. She took care of their weather needs.

 

[bkhedr]

But she's not an actual goddess

 

[Silicon Surfer]

But she is still probably worshipped and with a potential for poweful magic use who knows whether that might not have the potential for turning her into a real goddess under the right circumstances. It might make an interesting plot line. Storm starts to become the goddess she once almost allowed herself to believe she was but also faces the memory of the power of the Phoenix and its effect on Jean. She then questions whether she should continue and become a goddess or reject the power and remain mortal.

 

[javon]

But she's not an actual goddess

Yes but she was still worshipped nontheless t: . And hey, with the stuff she's shown, I wouldn't doubt it at all .

Orignally posted by Cyclops
The only worshipping Storm gets is from fanboys and certain creators.

And an entire village .

 

[The Weather God]

Captain America is peak human and dude he fought how many battles in world war 2? Real War. Ugly War. Stuff Storm better pray to god she never sees. Please dont tell me her experience equals Caps, its just not true.

Umm how many times have magneto started a war with humans? Only difference is mutants are alot stronger then gunfire and missles. They can also do alot more damage so you cannot sit there and say the wars in the x-men comics are nothing compared to real wars.

I'm not saying the Avengers have accomplished more, or are a better team. (though I think they have) I am saying that if the world is in peril and super heroes are needed. They pick up the phone and call the Avengers, not the X-men. I am saying that heroes everywhere dream of one day being Avengers more so than they dream about being X-men. I think you'd agree with me there.

And this makes thor a better leader how, when both teams are just as good, my point was storm lead the x-men without her powers and have proven that she is a worthy leader.
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I could be wrong but I thought she needed to feel the weather and coerce it into obeying her bidding. If this is true I dont see how she could manipulate the weather in lets say Australia from Xavier's lawn. That's what I mean by range and that's why I dont think she can devastate the world. A city? sure.

Storm can sense and feel the gravitational pull of the moon so that proves that her range of power goes far enough to reach Australia.

 

[Cyclops]

The people of the serengeti also worshipped Storm as a goddess. She took care of their weather needs.

Um.... are you confusing comicbooks with the real world? Thor is an actual figure from Norse mythology. He was worshipped by vikings and is still worshipped by some today.

 

[ssj wolverine]

You have to wonder if people voted for Storm because they felt sorry for her.

 

[The Weather God]

You have to wonder if people voted for Storm because they felt sorry for her.

That is not in my case

 

[Zeu]

You have to wonder if people voted for Storm because they felt sorry for her.

Or maybe they took the time to actually read the first post.

 

[gambitfire]

Wow reading this thread Thor comes of as such a perfect character, I know he's a god and that is where to me he loses appeal.

His greatness (is obviously written) but makes him all the too perfect.

I just don't like characters with a god complex or in this case a god.

It's really hard as a fan to relate to them.

Storm on the other hands represents so much one can relate too.

Not just the minority issue but her personality, her strenght as a woman (those who don't see it clearly don't know alot about Storm) and even her tendure moments of weakness.

Besides she's the reason the X's got themselve a Cajun so you know i love her.

 

[gambitfire]

You have to wonder if people voted for Storm because they felt sorry for her.

i have to wonder if your brain is as small as a walnut. j/k

I never took this as a fighting contest since the creator CLEARLY STATED IT WASN'T!!

So i have my good reason for giving it too Storm.

What is it with god like superheroes and there hardcore worshiping fans? Is it a god like ego thing? ...........................that was mean my bad

 

[Mr. Green]

But she is still probably worshipped and with a potential for poweful magic use who knows whether that might not have the potential for turning her into a real goddess under the right circumstances. It might make an interesting plot line. Storm starts to become the goddess she once almost allowed herself to believe she was but also faces the memory of the power of the Phoenix and its effect on Jean. She then questions whether she should continue and become a goddess or reject the power and remain mortal.

Uh... what the hell are you talking about?

 

[Varient]

Uh... what the hell are you talking about?

Okay.

Storms mother was considered a sorceress, even though not one comic displayed any kind of ability. Her father married a woman who had run away from her home to avoid some serious responsibility never explained - for love.
They lived for a bit in America,.. but the rampant racism of America had the wife beg their husband to move back to africa. So they did, only to be killed in a freak aircrash leaving Storm an orphan.

Years later now a young woman coming into her mutant powers, Storm was worshiped by the people of the plains near mt kilmonjaro because she took on the role of a goddess who brought the rain, protected the people, meted out justice etc,...

When Xaiver showed up he convinced her to join the Xmen.


After many adventures that emphasized her powers and abilities along mutant lines,.. The Xmen were dragged into Limbo where they met alternates of their future selves,.. one of them was a much older Storm,.. who when her weather manip powers powers had started to wane discovered that she had other abilities like Magic along the lines of a Loki or Dr. Strange, (I say it like this because the power was in her like Loki,.. but had to be learned like Strange.) This arc explored the fact that if Storm had NOT learned to or discovered her mutant abilities that she would've been a magic-caster instead.

Later on just prior to her wedding to the BP,.. she went back where her mother was from and found out she was the latest in an unbroken chain of African magic users. She met her Grandmother and got the scoop on what she was and where she came from.


So,.... Ororo Monroe,.. if she were inclinded to combine her abilities at their fullest could at the least meet ALL THE DEFINITIONS CURRENTLY POSTED IN THE 616 UNIVERSE OF A "GOD"
Future stories of the X-men have touched on her taking her mutant powers to their maximum and becoming an immortal force of nature.

I hope that answers your question.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

She already knew about her magical ancestry since she met one of her distant ancestors once although I can't recall which story it was in.

 

[Mr. Green]

So,.... Ororo Monroe,.. if she were inclinded to combine her abilities at their fullest could at the least meet ALL THE DEFINITIONS CURRENTLY POSTED IN THE 616 UNIVERSE OF A "GOD"
Future stories of the X-men have touched on her taking her mutant powers to their maximum and becoming an immortal force of nature.

I hope that answers your question.

Okay, I got it.

But there is no telling how well she will ever be able to use her magic.

Unless she can get her powers beyond that of even Loki, Thor would still kick her ass pretty thoroughly.

 

[Crowforge]

Storm lost her powers and still lead the xmen. If storm put her mind to it she could beat thor and cap (I seriously doubt even cap could dodge lightning), though it probably take years and pulling in a few favors to beat thor.

 

[bkhedr]

Storm lost her powers and still lead the xmen. If storm put her mind to it she could beat thor and cap (I seriously doubt even cap could dodge lightning), though it probably take years and pulling in a few favors to beat thor.

She couldnt touch Thor. couldnt touch him. Cap cant dodge lighting. That's true. She would beat Cap

The difference between Storm fighitng Cap and Storm fighting Thor is that if she fought Thor she'd be the one having to dodge lightning

 

[bkhedr]

Umm how many times have magneto started a war with humans? Only difference is mutants are alot stronger then gunfire and missles. They can also do alot more damage so you cannot sit there and say the wars in the x-men comics are nothing compared to real wars.

Dude WORLD WAR II. Four years of death and destruction on a global scale. Concentration camps. 60 million (approx) dead. I am a history major who wrote his thesis on world war II. Dont compare Magneto's wars to World War II. Please dont let your homerism degenerate into full blown ignorance.

In fact I would like to see some of the other Storm fans' take on this. Anyone of you think Storm has as much experience with war as Captain America?

And this makes thor a better leader how, when both teams are just as good, my point was storm lead the x-men without her powers and have proven that she is a worthy leader.

Difference is Thor has been a leader for thousands of years. That and that alone is why I think he's a better leader. And even if he isnt I'm ok with it.
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Storm can sense and feel the gravitational pull of the moon so that proves that her range of power goes far enough to reach Australia.

Immpresive, but it still doesnt mean that she can manipulate weather on a global scale. By her own admission she has to empathize with the weather and coerce it to do her bidding. (again I could be wrong) But to me that means she cant start thunder storms in a place where she's not.

 

[bkhedr]

Okay.

Storms mother was considered a sorceress, even though not one comic displayed any kind of ability. Her father married a woman who had run away from her home to avoid some serious responsibility never explained - for love.
They lived for a bit in America,.. but the rampant racism of America had the wife beg their husband to move back to africa. So they did, only to be killed in a freak aircrash leaving Storm an orphan.

Years later now a young woman coming into her mutant powers, Storm was worshiped by the people of the plains near mt kilmonjaro because she took on the role of a goddess who brought the rain, protected the people, meted out justice etc,...

When Xaiver showed up he convinced her to join the Xmen.


After many adventures that emphasized her powers and abilities along mutant lines,.. The Xmen were dragged into Limbo where they met alternates of their future selves,.. one of them was a much older Storm,.. who when her weather manip powers powers had started to wane discovered that she had other abilities like Magic along the lines of a Loki or Dr. Strange, (I say it like this because the power was in her like Loki,.. but had to be learned like Strange.) This arc explored the fact that if Storm had NOT learned to or discovered her mutant abilities that she would've been a magic-caster instead.

Later on just prior to her wedding to the BP,.. she went back where her mother was from and found out she was the latest in an unbroken chain of African magic users. She met her Grandmother and got the scoop on what she was and where she came from.


So,.... Ororo Monroe,.. if she were inclinded to combine her abilities at their fullest could at the least meet ALL THE DEFINITIONS CURRENTLY POSTED IN THE 616 UNIVERSE OF A "GOD"
Future stories of the X-men have touched on her taking her mutant powers to their maximum and becoming an immortal force of nature.

I hope that answers your question.

Very good post but it has nothing to do with your conclusion.

how exatctly would she meet all the definitions currently posted in the 616 universe of a god?

Is she immortal? Is she the offspring of a god or goddess? Is she a weather goddess?

No

All you've proven is what we already knew. She's a mutant who can manipulate the weather and could, if she were inclined to do so, become an adept magic user. Oh and she was worshipped by a village of africans, not because she's a goddess, but because they dont know what mutants are.

None of that makes her a goddess

Heck by your logic Silverclaw is more of a goddess. At least her mother was a goddess.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

She probably can generate weather effects in other places on the planet but I would think that the task would take more time and concentration to sort through all the intermediary weather between her and her target. She would also have to work out how to shift all the intermediary weather to get what she wants in what would be a huge puzzle. It would probably take everything she has power and intellect wise to do it even briefly. She has said that when she changes the weather she is affecting weather patterns all over the planet.

 

[Varient]

Very good post but it has nothing to do with your conclusion.

how exatctly would she meet all the definitions currently posted in the 616 universe of a god?

Is she immortal? Is she the offspring of a god or goddess? Is she a weather goddess?

No

All you've proven is what we already knew. She's a mutant who can manipulate the weather and could, if she were inclined to do so, become an adept magic user. Oh and she was worshipped by a village of africans, not because she's a goddess, but because they dont know what mutants are.

None of that makes her a goddess

Heck by your logic Silverclaw is more of a goddess. At least her mother was a goddess.

Sorry,...
But Marvel Canon defines Gods by everything I covered.
By Marvels viewpoint Hercules is "more" of a God than Thor because he doesn't require a piece of fruit every few thousand years to maintain his Immortality,...
Yet Technically Herc is a Demi-God,.. His Mom was Human.
Thor Technically is a "Demi-God" because his Mom was not asgardian.
SilverClaw technically is a Demi-God because her Mom was a God.
The Eternals (Thanos anyone) Were considered Gods but with the exception of thanos rejects the title,

God in Marvel is technically "HigherBeing who is worshiped by Humans. Higher as being defined as being in some way superior across the board.

Look at Thanos Again.
His "race" was the result of tinkering by other aliens who were just "passing through."

Yet he has been known as "The Mad God of Titan" and in his short before last actually took over as "God" to save the universe.

For Storm Immortality is only as Far away as her getting a clue and concentrating either facet of her being.

Godlike power? We know she has that ability by the stuff she's done in space and to a smaller degree whenever she COMPLETLY loses control of her emotions.

Before we make "definative statements" about who is a God and who isn't,.. we are going to lay down some ground rules about what one is.

I wouldn't consider the beings that Walter / sasquatch gains his powers from,... As Gods - but by Marvel definitions they are. Same with SnowBird.

 

[bkhedr]

Sorry,...
But Marvel Canon defines Gods by everything I covered.
By Marvels viewpoint Hercules is "more" of a God than Thor because he doesn't require a piece of fruit every few thousand years to maintain his Immortality,...
Yet Technically Herc is a Demi-God,.. His Mom was Human.
Thor Technically is a "Demi-God" because his Mom was not asgardian.
SilverClaw technically is a Demi-God because her Mom was a God.
The Eternals (Thanos anyone) Were considered Gods but with the exception of thanos rejects the title,

So what do Hercules, Thanos and the Eternals have to do with Storm? Absolutely nothing. What do they have in common with her? Absolutely nothing

God in Marvel is technically "HigherBeing who is worshiped by Humans. Higher as being defined as being in some way superior across the board.

And Storm is a higherbeing why now? Because she's mutant? Because he mother was a witch?

Look at Thanos Again.
His "race" was the result of tinkering by other aliens who were just "passing through."

Yet he has been known as "The Mad God of Titan" and in his short before last actually took over as "God" to save the universe.

Just because he is known as a mad god doesnt make him an actual god. See this is what I am talking about. Just because some villagers call storm a goddess doesnt make her a goddess. And when Thanos took over as God it was because he became one with the heart of the universe and literaly became god. Anyone who fused with the heart would become god. What this has to do with Storm I dont know

For Storm Immortality is only as Far away as her getting a clue and concentrating either facet of her being.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Oooh if i concentrate hard enough on my mutant power I will become a weather goddess. Oooh If i concentrate hard enough on learning some magic spells I will become a goddess. Puh-leaze

Godlike power? We know she has that ability by the stuff she's done in space and to a smaller degree whenever she COMPLETLY loses control of her emotions.

She is a mutant who manipulates the weather. She has to coerce it to do her bidding. Thor is a god. He tells it what to do and it obeys because he is its patron god. Do you understand the difference? That difference is godlike power.

Before we make "definative statements" about who is a God and who isn't,.. we are going to lay down some ground rules about what one is.

I wouldn't consider the beings that Walter / sasquatch gains his powers from,... As Gods - but by Marvel definitions they are. Same with SnowBird.

As usual you ignore everything in my posts that squashes yours and keep pushing on with your argument

And what is your argument?

Basically what you are telling me is that you are totaly determined to argue for Storm's godhood even if that means nitpicking over the definition of a god just to prove your point?


You are like a child who wont take no for an answer and keeps saying the same thing in different ways hoping to fool the adult he's talking to.

Well I'm not fooled. But it's obvious that there is no point in continuing this argument because you will just bring up how Thor's mother is not a goddess hence making him a demi-god while ignoring my statement about how Storm is not a goddess because both her parents are mere mortal humans.

And by the way Thor's mother is not an asgardian but she is a goddess. He is not a demi-god