Storm Vs Thor

[bkhedr]

no way in hell are the streets as rough as war. Sure growing up as a thief in a third world country struggling to survive is unbeleivably tough

but its ignorant beyond belief to try to compare it to world war II

 

[Zeu]

no way in hell are the streets as rough as war. Sure growing up as a thief in a third world country struggling to survive is unbeleivably tough

but its ignorant beyond belief to try to compare it to world war II

Streets aren´t hard?

Dude, I officially invite you to try to even survive for a whole hour in a favela.

 

[bkhedr]

Streets aren´t hard?

Dude, I officially invite you to try to even survive for a whole hour in a favela.

Dude
do you even read my posts?

I will reiterate because you only saw the one sentence you wanted to see in my three sentence post:

Sure growing up as a thief in a third world country struggling to survive is unbelieably tough

recognize that line? its from post 351

streets are plenty hard

but surviving for a whole hour in the toughest street in the world isnt nearly as tough as surviving for an hour in the front lines of a war zone

are you so Storm blinded that you cant see that?

 

[Zeu]

Dude
do you even read my posts?

I will reiterate because you only saw the one sentence you wanted to see in my three sentence post:

Sure growing up as a thief in a third world country struggling to survive is unbelieably tough

recognize that line? its from post 351

streets are plenty hard

but surviving for a whole hour in the toughest street in the world isnt nearly as tough as surviving for an hour in the front lines of a war zone

are you so Storm blinded that you cant see that?

And what makes you think she didn´t endure the likes of the frontline growing up the way she did?
Her very first appearance as a child has her by Prof Xavier´s side (shose wallet she stole) against a powerful mutant.
Just imagine what other threats she must have faced growing up.

This is AFRICA, you know?
Lions and cheetas and leppards and hyenas, oh my.
I´ll bet a thoiusand to one like you have better chances of sneaking past a platoon of 1944 german soldiers than a pack of starving lionesses equipped with those uber-senses of them.
On top of that, children are one of the greatest commodities for warlords there, you kidnap one and you get to train them to wage war fo you.
Or sell as a prostitute.
Imagine how many hundred paedophiles she had to dodge, some more powerful and influential than others.

We know she travelled all the way from Egypt to the serengeti. Do you have any idea of hw many armed conflicts she must have seen in those years, the threats, the diseases, the massacres, the wild animals?

You condense that and I bet it beats hands down two years in europe (part of which Steve spent as a skinny corporal "in the rear with the gear").

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I woulden't recommend comparing homesexuals to mutants especially because the mutant case is entirly and more serverely different. For one gay people don't appose a threat to an entire city or The World in injury and destruction, and some mutants can undoubtly be unstoppable from robbing banks, killing people, and doing what every they want to do whenever they want to. Third the sentinal program is just one example of why the x-men including storm need to walk out and watch their backs. Those sentinal robots go around and kill mutants just because they don't want to register also in other cases as well, i don't remember cap having to worring about giant robots with more fire power then a war chasing after him to destroy him. Not only does the sentinals apposed a threat to mutants but what about apacalypse, bastion, and the legacy virus and just plain out other stuff that has never been done to gay people, regular people, or people in war.

Why wouldn't I compare the two? Both are faced with massive hate groups that want their blood. That's kind of like wanting an explanation of the sun, but not wanting to hear anything about helium. You can't try comparing two people, and the moment that I do it in a different fashion, say that there's no comparison. At least without a better reason. Like HOW would the hate groups be different? Or how do they behave differently?

However, you say that the actual actions committed by the homosexuals and mutants are completely different. And to that, I absolutely agree. In fact, the example helps what I'm trying to say. See, humans are fearful, and only attack when they know they have the odds on their side. It's why they get in groups and attack individuals. However, humans, being cowards that they are, would not attack someone with city levelling powers. They'd trash their house, yell at them from the street (maybe), slash their car tires, but probably wouldn't go all out and throw a bottle at someone who can likely cause tornado's. But in the end, homosexual hate groups are all too similar. And homosexuals are in far less of a threat than Captain America is, or ever was.

You used the Sentinel program. That's actually a very fine example of your point, one that I can not possibly ignore. For the most part, Sentinels are extremely tough (though they seem to be taken down by the droves by the mutant teams. Especially high powered ones like Storm.) However, Captain America and the Avengers have taken on Ultron, a single robot far more powerful than a squadron of Sentinels, and has survived the encounter. Beat Ultron? No. That's hard for a normal human to defeat an adamantium skinned super robot with a hydrogen bomb for a heart, but hey, if you can even last against Ultron for fifteen minutes, that's saying something.

Or when he's going hand to hand with the Kree. Soldiers who are individually armed with firepower that makes Sentinels **** their pants. Or Kree Sentry's, or really just anything that is thrown against the Avengers. Once again, I don't remember the X-Men going up against Onslaught.

However, the one part that irks me, was when you said that virus' weren't used in wars. And THAT is a blatant falsehood. Biological warfare has been going on for nearly as long as there has been recorded history. And it's well known that in WW2, the living conditions were so ****tacular, that people were sick and usually dying from disease left and right in beyond hostile conditions. Usually, the X-Men go and fight, then return to a nice warm, comfortable home to recuperate. In WW2, Cap went and fought, probably got banged up some, then came back to a foxhole to write letters to his fallen comrades parents.

But if you really think Cap hasn't had to worry about cosmic level power bearing down on him, you need look no further than the Red Skull, who not only had a cosmic cube, but USED a cosmic cube. (Point of reference, the Beyonder is made up of a cosmic cube). Not to mention how many times this guy would fight Hulk, and beings in the Hulk's level. This is the guy who puts himself in front of a nuclear weapon for a cat. And really, not many more things I can think of other than the Phoenix equals the mere destructive spans of WW2. Sentinels surely didn't have that sort of capability. But to go back to robots? Cap recently just stormed Castle Doom, which had tons of Doombots, all of which are arguably more powerful in scope than big Sentinels.

Storm's personal combat goes a long way, since she's been trained for hand to hand combat by wolverane and has defeated superpowered humans(mutants) without her powers, which i've explained numerous times. If she lead the x-team without her powers then that should prove right there that her personal combat is good enough to fight against super powered beings without her weather powers. Also she's highly trained at using her powers in a hand to hand combat. Captain america was still a super human and still is, so he still had a boost of help while storm did her combat completly like a human and powerless.

Wolverine has been stated as a good hand to hand fighter. But then again, she was given pointers, not lengthy yearly lessons. And even then, she doesn't participate in tons of hand to hand. Case in point, me. I've spent YEARS of my life refining my taijiquan, but wouldn't consider myself some form of top level fighter, and that's all I have availiable to me. And then you're comparing her against Cap, who's only had his hand to hand skills for his entire life, where he's gone up against the Hand even. Wolverine barely survived an encounter with the Hand, and Cap walked away from an encounter relatively fine. And I know you've explained she's fought superhumans with her hands numerous times. I've AGREED numerous times. So drop it. I never said that she totally sucked at hand to hand, and so she should not be allowed leader of the team.

Though, you said Cap is a superhuman. And after a right, he is. He shouldn't be at the levels he is at, but really, he's no more durable or stronger than a perfect human, so he's basically still capped off at human feats. He can't leap buildings, or punch through brick or anything. He's basically just a very strong human. And that goes a long way, yes, but he tends to fight other humans with talents just above the human level.

Either way, if you want to compare base human Storm to Captain America, that's a small base to launch an argument from, as she spends most of her time powered. So combat wise, she's more powerful with powers, but Cap is just a better hands to hands fighter. When she beats Taskmaster in hand to hand combat, THEN I'll say she's in Cap's league.

About her survival skills from being a theif being nothing compare to war is completly wrong. Storm have use these very skill to help herself survive while she was with the x-men. Becoming a master lock pick and knowing how to find shelter to sleep and find something to eat is nothing different then what they did in the wars. Don't forget that she was also an orphan so that ups her experience even more in the survival stage. Also leaning this while she grows up at a young age makes her all the more experience. Not to mention people chasing after her because she was a theif and more then likely shooting at her for robbing them. I believe that puts her well in the category of a survival tactician. She's also lead the x-men several times and the Xtreme x-men so her leadership is not to be questioned at all.

I'm just trying to wrap my mind around a pick pocket's survival skills needing to be in the same class as someone who dodged explosions and bullets from dozens of people hiding in bushes and such every day for several years with nothing more than a shield. Is it absolutely nothing? Hell no. Never said it. So I would appreciate you not putting words into my mouth. But I still wouldn't say her personal survival skills are this top notch for quick spray battle. Just in the more...stealthy lifestyle I guess.

Also someone did make the argument that she was teamleader because of her powers.

But that's not what we are arguing about.

 

[Crowforge]

Cap has no powers

The SS serum makes him peak human not superhuman. And the man spends hours a day training and excersicing because he knows that he goes up against superhumans all the time and needs that extra edge. Remove the SS serum and he wouldnt lose the benefit of all that training

Cap's so hyped up on serum he can't even get drunk. Marvel says it's peak but the things I've seen are superhuman and what's more training means nothing if you can't get your body to do it.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Nobody said the streets were harder then war, my point was about her survival skill from the streets making her a Survival Tactitain. I also advise you to bone up on how rough the streets can be because obvously you've never had it as rough as storm to even compare it like it's an easy task.



I'm affraid that would be your opinion



They don't have to use it all day and i'm sure captain america doesen't train all day as well. But they do have to do all of that almost everyday.

Let it be said for the record that I try to see things from all points of view before I stand to make statements.

All right. I was nice. I remained logical. I was understanding. I even stretched my mind to see things that I normally wouldn't consider, and then gave extreme liberal numbers to them. But the streets being comparable to war?

No. Simply and utterly no. In fact, EMERGENCY no. Street warfare is simply CALLED street warfare in the simple fact is does not end. Is it as bloody? No. Is it as violent? No. Is it even as underhanded? No. Do entire nations rise to make weapons capable of crushing simply man Joe because of street warfare? Hardly. Hell, I can't even think of ONE street adaption to the real world.


Storm was good at what she did, or else, she was HORRIBLE at what she did. If she was a good pickpocket, then she was hardly in conflict, if she was a bad pickpocket, then she was in tons of conflict. Since the vast majority seem to think she was good at what she did, then she wasn't nearly as in much conflict as Captain America (who, might I say, was repeatedly beat up by bullies as a child on a near daily basis).

If anybody simply thinks that the streets are somehow as fricking tough as a war scenario, then THEY lack basic and larger knowledge of not one side, but BOTH sides. I would never expect to hear something like that from anyone other than some wanna be gangsta poseur who thinks that terrorists could get through an organized military, but couldn't get through a ghetto.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Cap's so hyped up on serum he can't even get drunk. Marvel says it's peak but the things I've seen are superhuman and what's more training means nothing if you can't get your body to do it.

He must train to maintain. His body doesn't just stay at peak, it's just easily capable of reaching peak.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Streets aren´t hard?

Dude, I officially invite you to try to even survive for a whole hour in a favela.

Try the battle of the bulge with your "homies" and "gats". I'd love to see how abrasive idiotic thugs with little between their ears try to last in a true military scenario. The Coast Guard takes down drug rings all the time. Hell, I'd like to see a few gangs survive the Air Force Reserve.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

And what makes you think she didn´t endure the likes of the frontline growing up the way she did?
Her very first appearance as a child has her by Prof Xavier´s side (shose wallet she stole) against a powerful mutant.
Just imagine what other threats she must have faced growing up.

This is AFRICA, you know?
Lions and cheetas and leppards and hyenas, oh my.
I´ll bet a thoiusand to one like you have better chances of sneaking past a platoon of 1944 german soldiers than a pack of starving lionesses equipped with those uber-senses of them.
On top of that, children are one of the greatest commodities for warlords there, you kidnap one and you get to train them to wage war fo you.
Or sell as a prostitute.
Imagine how many hundred paedophiles she had to dodge, some more powerful and influential than others.

We know she travelled all the way from Egypt to the serengeti. Do you have any idea of hw many armed conflicts she must have seen in those years, the threats, the diseases, the massacres, the wild animals?

You condense that and I bet it beats hands down two years in europe (part of which Steve spent as a skinny corporal "in the rear with the gear").

Let's see...

Stole the wallet of a super powerful telepath looking for her? That's dangerous. Next thing you know, she'll be stealing the wallet of a telepathic yeti. If she's good at what she does, chances are she doesn't get caught by any other than telepaths.

She didn't go walking through lion dens and such either.

 

[Crowforge]

Try the battle of the bulge with your "homies" and "gats". I'd love to see how abrasive idiotic thugs with little between their ears try to last in a true military scenario. The Coast Guard takes down drug rings all the time. Hell, I'd like to see a few gangs survive the Air Force Reserve.

Why do I get the feeling you hate a certain group of people?

 

[Zeu]

Try the battle of the bulge with your "homies" and "gats". I'd love to see how abrasive idiotic thugs with little between their ears try to last in a true military scenario. The Coast Guard takes down drug rings all the time. Hell, I'd like to see a few gangs survive the Air Force Reserve.

Try being a little girl crossing Africa unscathed from Egypt to the Serengeti.

Let's see...

Stole the wallet of a super powerful telepath looking for her? That's dangerous. Next thing you know, she'll be stealing the wallet of a telepathic yeti. If she's good at what she does, chances are she doesn't get caught by any other than telepaths.

She didn't go walking through lion dens and such either.

How do you know. Were you there?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

As for the level of danger in the slums and barrios I wouldn't know, I grew up in the suburbs, however the area Storm grew up in was controlled by Amahl Farouk. Farouk is one of the most evil and sadistic mutants Marvel Earth has ever seen so it stands to reason that the area he ruled was somewhat worse than most.

 

[The Weather God]

Why wouldn't I compare the two? Both are faced with massive hate groups that want their blood. That's kind of like wanting an explanation of the sun, but not wanting to hear anything about helium. You can't try comparing two people, and the moment that I do it in a different fashion, say that there's no comparison. At least without a better reason. Like HOW would the hate groups be different? Or how do they behave differently?

No the hate groups are indeed more grand and servere in this case. Your comparing something completly and entirly different from the mutant race. Gay people are just people that go with the same sex. Mutants are super powered people capible of destroying the entire planet, meaning the president and more higher powered people will have an extream discomfort about it, because lets face it, some mutants even have the power to kill the president if they wanted. Can people that is just simply gay walk into the president's office and kill him? I think not. People are not just hating them because they are different, your talking about some serious damage here.

However, you say that the actual actions committed by the homosexuals and mutants are completely different. And to that, I absolutely agree. In fact, the example helps what I'm trying to say. See, humans are fearful, and only attack when they know they have the odds on their side. It's why they get in groups and attack individuals. However, humans, being cowards that they are, would not attack someone with city levelling powers. They'd trash their house, yell at them from the street (maybe), slash their car tires, but probably wouldn't go all out and throw a bottle at someone who can likely cause tornado's. But in the end, homosexual hate groups are all too similar. And homosexuals are in far less of a threat than Captain America is, or ever was.

I believe you are wrong there, because i've seen humans attack mutants countless times before no matter how powerful they are. You have to rememeber that this is not some hate group against gay or black people. These people will be more fuel with fear, hate and desperation.

You used the Sentinel program. That's actually a very fine example of your point, one that I can not possibly ignore. For the most part, Sentinels are extremely tough (though they seem to be taken down by the droves by the mutant teams. Especially high powered ones like Storm.) However, Captain America and the Avengers have taken on Ultron, a single robot far more powerful than a squadron of Sentinels, and has survived the encounter. Beat Ultron? No. That's hard for a normal human to defeat an adamantium skinned super robot with a hydrogen bomb for a heart, but hey, if you can even last against Ultron for fifteen minutes, that's saying something.

Those sentinals are not as easy as you say they are. They've even surprized magneto a few times i believe. The sentinal program was also made by a man that hates mutants, and was not an official program made by the governmant to kill mutants that don't register. So that shows how more bad and severe the hate groups are

However, the one part that irks me, was when you said that virus' weren't used in wars. And THAT is a blatant falsehood. Biological warfare has been going on for nearly as long as there has been recorded history. And it's well known that in WW2, the living conditions were so ****tacular, that people were sick and usually dying from disease left and right in beyond hostile conditions. Usually, the X-Men go and fight, then return to a nice warm, comfortable home to recuperate. In WW2, Cap went and fought, probably got banged up some, then came back to a foxhole to write letters to his fallen comrades parents.

I agree with this actually my mistake. But this also brings to surfice The legacy virus or any type of virus was not tageted at only gays or black people by hate groups, something that proves why there is no comparison in these hate groups. This case is so severe that they are already considering it a war before it happens.

But if you really think Cap hasn't had to worry about cosmic level power bearing down on him, you need look no further than the Red Skull, who not only had a cosmic cube, but USED a cosmic cube. (Point of reference, the Beyonder is made up of a cosmic cube). Not to mention how many times this guy would fight Hulk, and beings in the Hulk's level. This is the guy who puts himself in front of a nuclear weapon for a cat. And really, not many more things I can think of other than the Phoenix equals the mere destructive spans of WW2. Sentinels surely didn't have that sort of capability. But to go back to robots? Cap recently just stormed Castle Doom, which had tons of Doombots, all of which are arguably more powerful in scope than big Sentinels.

The x-men have faced doctor doom and his doombots several times in the past. Storm has went one on one with doctor doom himself and defeated him. I also know that cap is one of the best combats in marvel, but he is hardly any match for more powerful beings without help.

Wolverine has been stated as a good hand to hand fighter. But then again, she was given pointers, not lengthy yearly lessons. And even then, she doesn't participate in tons of hand to hand. Case in point, me. I've spent YEARS of my life refining my taijiquan, but wouldn't consider myself some form of top level fighter, and that's all I have availiable to me. And then you're comparing her against Cap, who's only had his hand to hand skills for his entire life, where he's gone up against the Hand even. Wolverine barely survived an encounter with the Hand, and Cap walked away from an encounter relatively fine. And I know you've explained she's fought superhumans with her hands numerous times. I've AGREED numerous times. So drop it. I never said that she totally sucked at hand to hand, and so she should not be allowed leader of the team.

I have seen storm in combat and she is undoubtly as good as cap in that stage of battle. She's also uses her powers as a hand to hand combat numerous times in the past. So i know that wolverane has trained her well in combat. I've also never said storm is better in human combat so you need to drop it. Storm I believe is as good of leader then cap will ever be. I kind of get the feeling your bashing her when you say wolverane just gave her pointers, like she doesn't know how to really fight, and pointer are just a couple of moves.

Though, you said Cap is a superhuman. And after a right, he is. He shouldn't be at the levels he is at, but really, he's no more durable or stronger than a perfect human, so he's basically still capped off at human feats. He can't leap buildings, or punch through brick or anything. He's basically just a very strong human. And that goes a long way, yes, but he tends to fight other humans with talents just above the human level.

At the end of the day, if he fights storm in a hand to hand, he'll have a slight advantage that he woulden't have because of the ss serum.

Either way, if you want to compare base human Storm to Captain America, that's a small base to launch an argument from, as she spends most of her time powered. So combat wise, she's more powerful with powers, but Cap is just a better hands to hands fighter. When she beats Taskmaster in hand to hand combat, THEN I'll say she's in Cap's league.

Storm would own cap in a combat with her powers, don't forget that her combat and battle skills will far exceed what captain america would do anyday, she would know how to disarm him and defeat him with her powers easly because that's what she's trained under. Also i believe she's proven that without her powers she can hold a threat in a fight against captain america, seeing that she's beaten people more powerful then him without her powers

I'm just trying to wrap my mind around a pick pocket's survival skills needing to be in the same class as someone who dodged explosions and bullets from dozens of people hiding in bushes and such every day for several years with nothing more than a shield. Is it absolutely nothing? Hell no. Never said it. So I would appreciate you not putting words into my mouth. But I still wouldn't say her personal survival skills are this top notch for quick spray battle. Just in the more...stealthy lifestyle I guess.

Umm who said pickpocketing was the only thing she did while she was a child? Don't forget she was an orphan that learned how to scrap for food and knew how to find shelter when she needed to sleep. She's also got the x-men out of a dangerous situation by picking the lock that strapped her down. See you looked at only the basics of what pick pocking is but not what it could do to save you.

But that's not what we are arguing about.

Perhaps my whole post wasen't targeted at you since when i said this you were hopping into an argument while i was debating with someone else.

Let it be said for the record that I try to see things from all points of view before I stand to make statements.

All right. I was nice. I remained logical. I was understanding. I even stretched my mind to see things that I normally wouldn't consider, and then gave extreme liberal numbers to them. But the streets being comparable to war?

No. Simply and utterly no. In fact, EMERGENCY no. Street warfare is simply CALLED street warfare in the simple fact is does not end. Is it as bloody? No. Is it as violent? No. Is it even as underhanded? No. Do entire nations rise to make weapons capable of crushing simply man Joe because of street warfare? Hardly. Hell, I can't even think of ONE street adaption to the real world.


Storm was good at what she did, or else, she was HORRIBLE at what she did. If she was a good pickpocket, then she was hardly in conflict, if she was a bad pickpocket, then she was in tons of conflict. Since the vast majority seem to think she was good at what she did, then she wasn't nearly as in much conflict as Captain America (who, might I say, was repeatedly beat up by bullies as a child on a near daily basis).

If anybody simply thinks that the streets are somehow as fricking tough as a war scenario, then THEY lack basic and larger knowledge of not one side, but BOTH sides. I would never expect to hear something like that from anyone other than some wanna be gangsta poseur who thinks that terrorists could get through an organized military, but couldn't get through a ghetto.

Umm i would advise you to reread my post over because where on earth did i say the streets were as hard as wars. Do tell because this was a total waste of post on me.

Nice post i must say but have failed to change my opinion about storm being the better combat and leader.

 

[Harlekin]

Let's als not forget that Captain America grew up in the Bronx of the 1920-1930's. Not happy fun time for all people.

Also, it's preposterous to think Captain America and Storm are equal in fighting ability. Captain America is routinely regarded as being the best hand-to-hand combatant the MU has to offer. No such thing is ever said about Storm. She's good but not THAT good.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Cap is not the best hth combatant in the MU. Not even close. Shang Chi, Iron Fist and Mantis have all in the past been stated to be at the top. Gamora, Taskmaster, and Karnak are all superior as well.

 

[Cyclops]

Oh my GAWD. Are there people really stupid enough to try and say that living as a street beggar is as hard as fighting in WORLD WAR II?!

 

[Silicon Surfer]

She wasn't a beggar, she was a top notch thief, at an age when Cap was simply getting the crap beat out of him. By the age that Cap was accepted into the Super Soldier Program Storm had crossed half of Africa alone, unequiped,powerless and on foot. She had mastered her powers and was considered a goddess at an age when Steve Rogers was still 4-f.

 

[Cyclops]

Oh, so being a thief then is absolutely comparable to trench warfare. Totally. My bad.

 

[The Weather God]

Let's als not forget that Captain America grew up in the Bronx of the 1920-1930's. Not happy fun time for all people.

Also, it's preposterous to think Captain America and Storm are equal in fighting ability. Captain America is routinely regarded as being the best hand-to-hand combatant the MU has to offer. No such thing is ever said about Storm. She's good but not THAT good.

Not in hand to hand but in general combat storm is mastered at using her powers. She is however said to be a good hand to hand combatant. I have never heard of cap being the best hand to hand but do however know he is a good one .

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Oh, so being a thief then is absolutely comparable to trench warfare. Totally. My bad.

Trench warfare was mostly WW1 I believe but that is only marginally relevant. The fact is that that sort of warfare is mass combat not one on one personal prowess. It is an entirely different kind of combat that does not depend on Caps personal prowess but rather on large scale dynamics that Cap cannot affect in any significant way. Having an indestructible shield however would have gone a long way toward helping anyone survive regardless of their battle skill.

 

[bkhedr]

And what makes you think she didn´t endure the likes of the frontline growing up the way she did?
Her very first appearance as a child has her by Prof Xavier´s side (shose wallet she stole) against a powerful mutant.
Just imagine what other threats she must have faced growing up.

This is AFRICA, you know?
Lions and cheetas and leppards and hyenas, oh my.
I´ll bet a thoiusand to one like you have better chances of sneaking past a platoon of 1944 german soldiers than a pack of starving lionesses equipped with those uber-senses of them.
On top of that, children are one of the greatest commodities for warlords there, you kidnap one and you get to train them to wage war fo you.
Or sell as a prostitute.
Imagine how many hundred paedophiles she had to dodge, some more powerful and influential than others.

We know she travelled all the way from Egypt to the serengeti. Do you have any idea of hw many armed conflicts she must have seen in those years, the threats, the diseases, the massacres, the wild animals?

You condense that and I bet it beats hands down two years in europe (part of which Steve spent as a skinny corporal "in the rear with the gear").

First of all I do know Africa somewhat. I live in Egypt, I've been to Kenya.
The Lions, Leopords, Cheetahs and Hyenas dont walk the streets (I guess she grew up as a thief on the savanah now?) and even if they did they are 1. Not starving, 2. For the most part not interested in eating people.

Do I think sneaking past a pack of starving lionesses is harder than sneaking past a platoon of German troops? Of course not. But most of the time you dont have to sneak past the lionesses because 1. They are not starving 2. They dont want to eat humans.

Oh she's seen armed conflicts now has she? Is that a fact or are you just speculating, because before it was just her growing up on the mean streets now she was dodging man eating lions and prancing around on the front lines of armed conflicts.

And evne if she was what was the worst she saw? lets condense it shall we

here's storm running around a shanty town in africa with man eating lions and pedopheliac warlords chasing her while opposing forces are shooting each at each other (not her) with AK47s and RPGS oh and there's disease everywhere (like there wasnt disease killing strong healthy men by the thousands on the frontlines of world war 2)

Now I know she's never been in that situation but to humor you I am putting he in the most extreme possible situation. Now let's compare it to a day in the life of captain america

You are on the front lines with nothing but a shield and your peak human body (no superpowers whatsoever), rats the size of your head scurry aruond you while bullet whizz by (any one could be the one that kills you) men die all around you. German machine gunners take aim at you because unlike some little girl who might have stumbled into an african conflict pretty much unnoticed and ignored, you are the american supersoldier, the symbol dressed in the american flag, standing in the line of fire for all to see. The German army has orders to kill you at all costs.

Anyway they focus their fire on you, thousands of round per minute come your way from numerous directions. What's that whistle? crap artillery fire. It hits your position blowing men to pieces and leaving swimming pool sized holes in the already ruined earth. The artillery is getting closer. If you dont move you are dead. You order your men to charge and the machine gun fire kills dozens but you have no choice. You slodge through the mud which slows you down and the barbed wire all over the place which could rip the tendons right off your calves if you arent careful. Suddenly there is an explosion at your left and one of your men is blown to pieces. Your ears are ringing now and you are covered in blood. Land mines!

And the bullets still whiz by, and the artillery is still getting closer. You press on now there is a phizzing sound. and a yellow cloud. Mustard Gas! You reach for your gas mask (still under fire) and pull it on. Praying that it functions properly and that there are no holes in your uniform because you know that if the gas comes into contact with any exposed skin it will seep in through the pores. Now your men are convulsing. Screaming in agony before their screams are cut off by the vomiting and the dying. You can barely hear them anyway, what with the machine gun fire, and the artillery fire, and the land mines going off. Now you press forward again with what's left of your platoon.

And here come the bombers and fighters. They strafe your position. The bombers dropping 2000 pound fire bombs (napalm which cant be put out with water and will burn down to the bone). The fighters cutting through your men with their machine guns. Again you are the focal point. You in that red white and blue outfit. You without super powers. You barely raise your shield in time and are lucky to survive. Finally you and your men get close enough to the german position for you to charge their ranks. You fight them hand to hand. Using your superior training to fight a dozen trained hardened fighting men at once. They have combat knives and side arms and still you win.

Now you think you can rest, but here's comes a flying Aryan. Master Man! He has super powers. He's stronger than you. He's a lunatic and his goal in life is to kill you. You are worn down and exhausted. You stare him in the eyes and get ready for the fight. Not giving an inch because you are the symbol of america and all eyes are on you. And when you beat him you wont get a chance to rest because you'll get a call on the radio and be sent to another pitched battle at another location

That's world war II through the eyes of Captain America buddy. That's a single hour of it. Storm's life is a walk in the park by comparison

Its stupid to compare Storm's expereinces to the brutality of total war

 

[Harlekin]

Cap is not the best hth combatant in the MU. Not even close. Shang Chi, Iron Fist and Mantis have all in the past been stated to be at the top. Gamora, Taskmaster, and Karnak are all superior as well.

I'll amend it to say that Cap is routinely regarded to be one of the best HTH combatants the MU has to offer. He's beaten Taskmaster before, and Shang Chi and Iron Fist are simply superior in a single area of martial arts, Captain America is quite comparable to them, similar to someone such as Daredevil. Mantis, Gamora and Karnak have their powers to aid their fighting prowess. Thing is, Storm isn't even anywhere near that level of HTH combat.

Overall combat? Of course Storm wins, duh. Her powers simply outclass Captain America (even though I'd still give him a shot at winning in a battle between the two), but it's riducilious to compare them on that level.

 

[The Weather God]

Overall combat? Of course Storm wins, duh. Her powers simply outclass Captain America (even though I'd still give him a shot at winning in a battle between the two), but it's riducilious to compare them on that level.

lol Cap would be lucky if he could even faise storm with her powers.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Actually Mantis and Gamora achieved their reputations without powers. Gamora was said to be the deadliest woman is the galaxy despite the fact that she had no powers at all.