Storm Vs Thor

[Crowforge]

Yeah, this is silly. Storm vs. Cap is how much lightning can cap take before dieing.

 

[bkhedr]

yeah about as silly as Storm fighting Thor

In any case Storm would fry Cap in a heartbeat with her powers.
He cant dodge lighting
No one is disputing that

its the notion that Storm can take him hand to hand without her powers that we disputing

 

[Crowforge]

She could on a good day and depending on what the writer wanted to do.
She could take out normal thor or his clone, not the odinforce thor that was so powerful he had to be retired.

 

[bkhedr]

Actually Mantis and Gamora achieved their reputations without powers. Gamora was said to be the deadliest woman is the galaxy despite the fact that she had no powers at all.

Gamora isnt human. Maybe her species is naturally stronger/faster/more resilient? After seeing her taken on Terrax in annihilation (him not being in the best of conditions not withstanding) I have to think that she's stronger than peak human.

As for Mantis didnt the Cotati reveal that she is a perfect human? That sounds peak human to me

 

[bkhedr]

She could on a good day and depending on what the writer wanted to do.
She could take out normal thor or his clone, not the odinforce thor that was so powerful he had to be retired.

Here we go again

Dude she cant do anything to Thor, forget King Thor he'd blink her out of existence, I'm talking about normal Thor

He is immune to her powers and can override her control of the elements
he has class 100 strength. He has one of the most powerful weapons in the universe. He has thousands of years of experience. Did I mention he is immune to her powers?

She cant do a damn thing to Thor

And no I dont think she could take Cap hand to hand without her powers even on her best day but since I cant prove it I wont argue about it anymore

 

[bkhedr]

click the pics

definative proof

case closed

 

[Crowforge]

If you quit I win.

 

[bkhedr]

I dont need to win Thor already has

click the pictures

better yet i'll splash them on the page for all to see:

 

[Crowforge]

That's a Thor book, of course he won, only robin gets his tail kicked in his own book!
Storm’s powers are much greater than weather manipulation.

 

[bkhedr]

That;s Contest of Champions II buddy, which is definately not a Thor book. Hell it was written by Chris Claremont who only wrote Uncanny x-men for 16 years and had a hard on for Storm that makes Bendis love of Luke Cage and Jessica Drew look like a passing fancy.

as for Storm's powers:

According to Wikipedia: Able to control and create all forms of precipitation, lightning and even the wind which allows her to fly. Invulnerable to the effects of the weather and extreme heat and cold.

According to Marveldatabase.com: possesses the psionic ability to manipulate the weather patterns over the entire planet (or any planet she is on). She can stimulate the creation of any form of percipitation (rain, snow, sleet, hail & fog). She can create winds of strengths ranging up to hurricane force, and can raise or lower the temperature and humidity around her. She can disperse natural storms so as to create clear weather. Storm can cause the weather to change in an area around her, or she could create atmosphere effects in a beam-like path from her hand or hands. Storm’s control over the atmosphere is such that she can create certain effects over a specific area while shielding smaller areas within that region. For example, she can create a rainstorm around herself but prevent the raindrops from touching her. Storm can also create atmospheric phenomena over very small areas, such as creating a rainstorm small enough to water a single potted plant.

Storm can only manipulate weather patterns as they exist in nature. For example, she can end a drought in one area by creating torrential rains there, but that would necessitate robbing all available moisture from the surrounding areas. Storm is not able to create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally on the planet she is on. For example, Storm is unable to lower temperatures as far as absolute zero or raise them to solar intensities on Earth.

The limit to the size of the area over which Storm can manipulate the weather was not known for quite some time. However, she once diverted the jet stream so as to create storms over the entire East Coast of the United States. Then in Uncanny X-Men - the New Age, She created massive hyperstorms that nearly would have covered the whole planet in ice, while she was under the telepathic control of a then mind-controlled Marvel Girl; it was then revealed that Storm has control over the entire planet. She can also create weather effects within indoor areas or within artificially maintained environments. Storm's ability to manipulate the weather in her immediate vicinity is affected by her emotions; hence, if she does not maintain control, a fit of rage might induce a destructive storm.

According to Marvel.com: Storm is a mutant who possesses the psionic ability to manipulate weather patterns over limited areas. She can stimulate the creation of any form of precipitation such as rain or fog, generate winds in varying degrees of intensity up to and including hurricane force, raise or lower the humidity and temperature in her immediate vicinity, induce lightning and other electrical atmospheric phenomena, and disperse natural storms so as to create clear change. Storm can direct the path of certain atmospheric effects, such as bolts of lightning, with her hands.

Storm’s control over the atmosphere is such that she can create certain effects over a specific area while shielding smaller areas within that region. For example, she can create a rainstorm around herself but prevent the raindrops from touching her. Storm can also create atmospheric phenomena over very small areas, such as creating a rainstorm small enough to water a single potted plant.

Storm can only manipulate weather patterns as they exist in nature. For example, she can end a drought in one area by creating torrential rains there, but that would necessitate robbing all available moisture from the surrounding areas. Storm is not able to create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally on the planet she is on. For example, Storm is unable to lower temperatures as far as absolute zero or raise them to solar intensities on Earth.

The limit to the size of the area over which Storm can manipulate the weather is not yet known. However, she once diverted the jet stream so as to create storms over the entire East Coast of the United States. She can create weather effects within indoor areas or within artificially maintained environments. Storm is limited by the force of her will and the strength of her body. It once took her several hours to stop a savage blizzard sweeping over much of Canada, and she nearly died from exhaustion in the process.

Storm is able to fly by creating winds strong enough to support her weight, the weight of others, and to propel her forward through the air. Storm can thus travel as fast as any wind can, and has reached speeds up to 300 miles per hour. Her powers over the atmosphere enable her to breathe at any speed, protect her from air friction, and grant her limited immunity to extreme heat and cold.

Storm is also able to alter her visual perception so as to perceive electrical energy patterns as well as those factors responsible for existing meteorological phenomena in her surrounding environment.

Storm's ability to manipulate the weather in her immediate vicinity is affected by her emotions; hence, if she does not maintain control, a fit of rage might induce a destructive storm. Storm also suffers from severe claustrophobia.

Read it all didnt see anything about her doing anything except weather manipulation.

Hear that whooshing sound?

Its your argument deflating

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Gamora was upgraded by Adam Warlock when he brought them out of the Soul Gem. They said that she was in Iron Mans class in sheer power and she was throwing 30 ton tanks like beach balls. My best guess is that she is about class 90 now. Whether she has superhuman speed and agility I have no idea.

 

[bkhedr]

Gamora was upgraded by Adam Warlock when he brought them out of the Soul Gem. They said that she was in Iron Mans class in sheer power and she was throwing 30 ton tanks like beach balls. My best guess is that she is about class 90 now. Whether she has superhuman speed and agility I have no idea.

cool thanks for the info

I always thought she was stronger than normal humans but had never seen any proof (save for her fight against Terrax)

 

[gazjam2]

sweet

 

[Crowforge]

Can someone dig up storm being uber-powerful at the center of the galaxy or something for me?
Also note that they have been doling out secondary mutations all year, storms due buddy.

 

[bkhedr]

Dude what do you just pretend that all the stuff in my posts that roasts your argument doesnt exist or what? Chris Claremont wrote Thor defeating Storm while not even taking her seriously, and not in a Thor book. What more do you need?

In any case I've seen her being uber-powerful at the center of the galaxy. Its nothing Thor cant top or withstand. (I think hand of fate posted it in this thread) And it only happened once and it was still weather manipulation. Its not like Thor using the godblast to send Galactus running for his life.
Unlike Storm who you have to give examples of to prove that she can be uberpowerful, Thor is always uberpowerful. No examples and feats needed.

so try again

And you are really reaching when you tell me that if/when she gets a secondary mutation then Thor better watch out

get back to me when she gets one, until then the facts proclaim Thor the victor

but hey its ok. In your world Storm can beat Thor, at least you have that.

Doesnt change that in the MU she cant even make him take her seriously

 

[Red Mask]

So nobody actually reads the first post anymore? It's not about who would win, lads and lassies. It's about who's more popular and who's the better character?

Thor's dead. Shouldn't that say something?

 

[bkhedr]

He's back pal. The real Thor not his clone. And hell how big is Thor's return? So big that his clone got the cover of CW #4 all to himself

and he's getting a new ongoing (already announced, by JMS and Immonen), and when he went to sleep (he didnt die) it was in his own ongoing. Thor always has his own title, never has he been a supporting character in black panther (who only sporadically has his own title)

I think that says plenty

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Thor has had his own title pretty much since Marvel began while Storm has never had one. I think that is about as definitive as answers get as to popularity.

 

[Crowforge]

If it's a popularity contest storm won that in the eighties. And when was the last time you saw thor in a movie?
This calls for a poll!

 

[bkhedr]

Lets be clear on this:

The X-men movies feature Wolverine

They are being used to launch Wolverine movies. Storm just happens to be an X-man
Sure she's a popular X-man but not populare enough to get her own book. So certainly not popular enough to get her own movie

This is a popularity poll and Thor already won. Now I'll admit if you took this to a non comic book forum Storm would probably win but since this is a comic book forum you are fresh out of luck

 

[Crowforge]

I wasn't here for that poll. The wolverine movies are a Hugh Jackman thing, if he'd sucked those movies wouldn't be happening. Storm's had he own book (miniseries?), which is pretty impressive considering the comic market. People are interested in storm despite her total lack of mystery, does that tell you something? Being who she is and not getting buried and forgotten is an accomplishment in itself.

 

[bkhedr]

This is that poll!

As for the movies it was pretty clear before X-men was ever released that the movie would feature Wolverine. Fox said so openly

And Storm has never had her own book

Oooh she had a miniseries

so did Spider Woman II

 

[Red Mask]

If it's a popularity contest storm won that in the eighties. And when was the last time you saw thor in a movie?
This calls for a poll!

The 80's? When she was doing the punk rocker phase? Man, in those days I really wanted to read the next issue of Simonson's Thor. Oh wait, didn't the events in Thor create an opportunity for the classic X-Men's Asgardian War story? Oh yes it did, bless those brilliant Simonsons! t:

Try a different era, bub.

 

[Still A ThorFan]

17 people truly feel Storm could beat Thor. My goodness. I'll just say this, if Thor punched her hard enough he will break her face, shatter her skull, thus the tiny bone fragments would cut her brain where she will bleed and eventually die, or he could just snap her pretty little neck, or smash her head in with Mjolnir.

 

[Zeu]

First of all I do know Africa somewhat. I live in Egypt, I've been to Kenya.

Really? Then why does it say Ontario, Canada in your handle?

The Lions, Leopords, Cheetahs and Hyenas dont walk the streets (I guess she grew up as a thief on the savanah now?) and even if they did they are 1. Not starving, 2. For the most part not interested in eating people.

I guess you missed the part where she meets them while traveling from Egypt to Kenya, eh?

Do I think sneaking past a pack of starving lionesses is harder than sneaking past a platoon of German troops? Of course not. But most of the time you dont have to sneak past the lionesses because 1. They are not starving 2. They dont want to eat humans.

Trust me, I´ve actually lived in Africa and have close family there. You go into the wilderness and from hot-tempered hypos to hyenas, everything wants to kill you. They just may not want to eat you. (Buffalos are more dangerous to people than lions because they attack no matter what... and they´re herbivorous!)
Big dif.

Oh she's seen armed conflicts now has she? Is that a fact or are you just speculating, because before it was just her growing up on the mean streets now she was dodging man eating lions and prancing around on the front lines of armed conflicts.

Oooh, let´s see. Between Egyot and Kenya we have Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea and -depending on what route she used, Uganda or Somalia-.
Hmm... no, you´re right, I don´t think there was ever any armed conflicts in those countries. And most definitelly no children ever even touched a kalashnikovs there, that´s for sure.

let's compare it to a day in the life of captain america

You are on the front lines with nothing but a shield and your peak human body (no superpowers whatsoever), rats the size of your head scurry aruond you while bullet whizz by (any one could be the one that kills you) men die all around you. German machine gunners take aim at you because unlike some little girl who might have stumbled into an african conflict pretty much unnoticed and ignored, you are the american supersoldier, the symbol dressed in the american flag, standing in the line of fire for all to see. The German army has orders to kill you at all costs.

Anyway they focus their fire on you, thousands of round per minute come your way from numerous directions. What's that whistle? crap artillery fire. It hits your position blowing men to pieces and leaving swimming pool sized holes in the already ruined earth. The artillery is getting closer. If you dont move you are dead. You order your men to charge and the machine gun fire kills dozens but you have no choice. You slodge through the mud which slows you down and the barbed wire all over the place which could rip the tendons right off your calves if you arent careful. Suddenly there is an explosion at your left and one of your men is blown to pieces. Your ears are ringing now and you are covered in blood. Land mines!

And the bullets still whiz by, and the artillery is still getting closer. You press on now there is a phizzing sound. and a yellow cloud. Mustard Gas! You reach for your gas mask (still under fire) and pull it on. Praying that it functions properly and that there are no holes in your uniform because you know that if the gas comes into contact with any exposed skin it will seep in through the pores. Now your men are convulsing. Screaming in agony before their screams are cut off by the vomiting and the dying. You can barely hear them anyway, what with the machine gun fire, and the artillery fire, and the land mines going off. Now you press forward again with what's left of your platoon.

And here come the bombers and fighters. They strafe your position. The bombers dropping 2000 pound fire bombs (napalm which cant be put out with water and will burn down to the bone). The fighters cutting through your men with their machine guns. Again you are the focal point. You in that red white and blue outfit. You without super powers. You barely raise your shield in time and are lucky to survive. Finally you and your men get close enough to the german position for you to charge their ranks. You fight them hand to hand. Using your superior training to fight a dozen trained hardened fighting men at once. They have combat knives and side arms and still you win.

Now you think you can rest, but here's comes a flying Aryan. Master Man! He has super powers. He's stronger than you. He's a lunatic and his goal in life is to kill you. You are worn down and exhausted. You stare him in the eyes and get ready for the fight. Not giving an inch because you are the symbol of america and all eyes are on you. And when you beat him you wont get a chance to rest because you'll get a call on the radio and be sent to another pitched battle at another location

That's world war II through the eyes of Captain America buddy. That's a single hour of it. Storm's life is a walk in the park by comparison

Its stupid to compare Storm's expereinces to the brutality of total war

Not really. When you have a superserum running through your veins that allows you to do things like use an indetructible shiled to deflect thousands of bullets per second and the speed to effortlessly dodge artillery fire, even Omaha beach is a cakewalk.

And clearly, you´ve never been to war.
Contrary to what you may see in movies, war is not all-out madness 24/7.
Ask any person who´s ever actually seen armed conflicts and he´ll tell you this: the single biggest component of War is "waiting".
Yes, long, boring, dreadful, endless hours staring at a fly laying eggs. Sometimes for days in a row. And then suddenly, sometimes out of nowhere, all hell breaks loose. Gunfire, artillery shells, men screaming, the works.

And you continue to conveniently "forget" that from June 6 1944 to roughly one month before the armstice in April 1945 (whoa, that´s like 10 whole months! That´s 2 months shorter than a regular tour of duty in Nam!), Steve´s participation in the war in europe resumed to him prancing around as a skinny waste of a corporal "in the rear with the gear"?