Storm Vs Thor

[Kitsune]

Can we change this to OZONE? At least Varient used some logic and examples in his argument.

Feel free

 

[OZONE]

Ok here it is: 1975 Storm First Appears in Giant Xmen #1, Xmen #102 Her back history is created (Lineage of Natural Priestesses and Natural Sorcerers(Natural meaning of Nature and not of black/mysitical or magic origin)Ashake being an expert(storms marvel bio))Xmen Annual #5 Storm joins the Fantastic for to help Arkon battle Lizard. Meanwhile she is infected with a brood egg and tries to kill herself by channeling energy from Spaces Cosmic core, she fails in suicide, but kills the egg inside her, House of M Storm is among 198 Mutants whos powers werent lost due to Scarlet witches magic (proof that magic cant take her powers). in Black Panther #21 (2006), writer Reginald Hudlin hinted Storm to be an Omega-level mutant, longtime X-Men scribe Chris Claremont had hinted that Storm possesses this power level by comparing her to the canonical omega-level mutant Jean Grey, Claremont also gives detailing of her powers: the creation of pressure domes to prevent the explosion of nuclear bombs, Storm has excellent control over atmospheric pressure and has used it in numerous ways; once, to crush two Skrull Star Cruisers, ability to create electrylitic fields to manipulate molecules, to coalescence pollutants in the air to create acid rain and toxic fog,On yet another occasion, while in space, she was able to gather ambient hydrogen atoms to create a kind of temporary atmosphere in order to unleash a powerful lightning attack against the Silver Surfer, Storm has shown the ability to alter her visual perceptions so as to see the universe as multi-colored energy patterns, detecting the flow of energy behind weather phenomena, machines, and nervous systems Storm can also see in almost totally darkness but not to the level as such mutants like wolverine. She has also been shown to be sensitive to the dynamics of the natural world. For example, she has sensed a diseased and dying tree on the X-Men mansion grounds, felt the gravitational exertion of the moon on the tides, and detected the incorrect motion of a hurricane in the Northern Hemisphere.[2] Storm has also shown that she can transcend into a goddess-like elemental being when properly provoked. Storms Natural Sorcery comes from goddess Ma'at, her relative. became goddess of thunder (New Mutants Special Edition #1/X-Men Annual #9. Every single comic/story she is in she has been a leader. Defeating cyclops, callisto, and others. Storm is only on record of killing one man, a man who tried to rape her when she was younger, and vowed from that day never to kill again. Storm can also, unlike thor, alter artificial weather as well, such as weather in greenhouses, she can also create storms inside boxes or enclosed spaces by using gnomnic air, which thor cant do, he can try to force the elements inside the box, but storm can create the weather inside the box. Storm, is better descibed as the conscience of Nature. She can not only feel but see the phenomena BEHIND ocean currents and tides, she can feel the strain from the Moon and other Solar Phenomena, she can manipulate hydrogen molecules as well as pollutants in the air and water and combine them to her desired level of toxicity. She can see in the dark, practically immune to weather affects, can raise or lower temperatures as well as nervous systems, she can become in tune with any planets nature or weather patters, but can only create storms that would be resulting from that planets weather patterns. So recap: Powers derived from goddess Ma'at, trained physically by Xmen, Cyclops, Wolverine, leader of Morlock she defeated with no powers and apparently violently ill, she defeated cyclops for team leader, She controls eveything that nature exibits and is able to see and understand the causes and the reasonings that cause each affect. AGAIN YEAH SHE IS IT

 

[Red Mask]

Thor has built an entire city in Oklahoma. Creation is much harder than destruction. 'Nuff said.

 

[Varient]

Okayyyyy, we know V's feelings on the matter. I'm curious who the others are that voted for Storm...and their rationale. (V...if you didn't vote for Storm, my bad for lumping you in the group.)

This is an old thread,.. I voted and explained my reasoning around post number 75. I also was one of the last ones who posted on it kinda bringing it to a close before Oz brought it back on top.

I have to admit we were a lot more intelligent about it than you guys are showing this time.

The original question was about popularity. At the time Storm was on a high because of the cartoon series and movies.

But a bunch of non-readers came on here and made it a fight between the two.

Meh.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ozone: Why do you keep assuming Thor can't alter weather in certain situations? He can. He's seized control of the weather on other planets before. Not only that, he can create weather conditions without any need for existing conditions. He has absolute control over the weather because he's the son of Gaea and the Norse god of thunder. His power has trumped other weather gods' power outright before. The fact that Storm's ancient ancestor is Ma'at is nice, but it doesn't make it anymore likely that her weather powers would hold a candle to Thor's.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Even I think that is moot giveen Thor is IMMUNE to the effects of the weather. Lightening, tornadoes and such are not going to hurt him.

It is pointless...she brings nothing to the table that Thor even needs to defend against.

 

[moraldeficiency]

This is an old thread,.. I voted and explained my reasoning around post number 75. I also was one of the last ones who posted on it kinda bringing it to a close before Oz brought it back on top.

I have to admit we were a lot more intelligent about it than you guys are showing this time.

The original question was about popularity. At the time Storm was on a high because of the cartoon series and movies.

But a bunch of non-readers came on here and made it a fight between the two.

Meh.

Consider us thread jackers appropriately scolded. But I have to admit, I'm a lot more intelligent than you.

 

[Miss Webb]

current obsessions running wild on boards:

1. "versus" threads
2. "strongest" threads
3. "skrull" threads

Obsession...a single minded fixation and repetition of thought pattern in an unending circle.

 

[OZONE]

who cares about an Old thread, their purpose is to allow people to share their views and ideas about whatever the thread may entail, perhaps the conversations or posts u wish were a one liner and done, but as soon as someone comes along and brushes the hair in the opposite direction, they become a single minded, who knows nothing or who isnt as good as someone else, I post because i say what I want and want to hear how other readers feel about other heroes, thats all, not to win the world! So get over it, you guys say i havent broungt any info commending storms abilities but i have and not in comparision of power or what someone can do, thor can create weather like storm, but the manifestation comes from how each of them control it, 2 very different and very definate ways, thats all so all you with an attitude bring the info about Thor, cause when i brought the info about storm u guys were in disbelief, then when i quoted and referenced it, it became an old thread. So kids quit ur whining and bring ur facts not just ur opions like so many seem to that that was all I was doing, get over it and post something other than one liners

 

[moraldeficiency]

current obsessions running wild on boards:

1. "versus" threads
2. "strongest" threads
3. "skrull" threads

Obsession...a single minded fixation and repetition of thought pattern in an unending circle.

That's a skrullish thing to say ;therefore, I challenge you to a fight to see who is the strongest.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

who cares about an Old thread, their purpose is to allow people to share their views and ideas about whatever the thread may entail, perhaps the conversations or posts u wish were a one liner and done, but as soon as someone comes along and brushes the hair in the opposite direction, they become a single minded, who knows nothing or who isnt as good as someone else, I post because i say what I want and want to hear how other readers feel about other heroes, thats all, not to win the world! So get over it, you guys say i havent broungt any info commending storms abilities but i have and not in comparision of power or what someone can do, thor can create weather like storm, but the manifestation comes from how each of them control it, 2 very different and very definate ways, thats all so all you with an attitude bring the info about Thor, cause when i brought the info about storm u guys were in disbelief, then when i quoted and referenced it, it became an old thread. So kids quit ur whining and bring ur facts not just ur opions like so many seem to that that was all I was doing, get over it and post something other than one liners

Wow, you just went from being a kind of quirky guy with a Storm fetish to a bit of a dick. Since you seem to be the guy with all of the comics handy, why don't you try citing issues where Thor has tried and failed to do all of the things you claim he can't? You claim to be bringing facts with cited issue numbers, but they're all about Storm. You're also offsetting all of those Storm facts with blatant speculation and outright falsehoods about Thor. Nobody's taking you seriously because you're behaving like an utter fanboy for Storm, insisting on a bunch of nonsense about Thor that plainly isn't true. So, in conclusion, yes, Mr. Pot, we are indeed black; thank you for noticing.

 

[OZONE]

Ozone: Why do you keep assuming Thor can't alter weather in certain situations? He can. He's seized control of the weather on other planets before. Not only that, he can create weather conditions without any need for existing conditions. He has absolute control over the weather because he's the son of Gaea and the Norse god of thunder. His power has trumped other weather gods' power outright before. The fact that Storm's ancient ancestor is Ma'at is nice, but it doesn't make it anymore likely that her weather powers would hold a candle to Thor's.

Thor can create weather but it is still Weather...this is what that means. Thor if on a planet could create weather in ways that it wasnt normally on that planet, meaning if Hurricane winds on planet x spun the opposite way on planet 4, he could make the winds on x spin like it was on 4. He cant create weather that isnt weather, like a hurricane of just sand and no wind or rain with no water, that only means that his powers dont directly affect any other area he uses magic to create what he needs. And so what if he can do it, im stating it because obviously she can do it as well, so his powers are seemingly not that exponential. And the fact that she held Goddess of Thunder and Weilded a hammer of Terene, means that obviously she has a status somewhere comparable. If thor would decided to control the weather on earth, alter the conditions anyway make funnels anyway he wanted, storms ability as outline BY MARVEL says she can see the natural phenomena or reasoning behind weather, machine, nervous system patterns, so no matter what Thor does Storm is never left blind looking around at the weather like uh hmm, how is this happening. All THor changing the weather would do, is change storm, if he gives the winds more power he also gives it to storm, considering storm didnt create the false winds but she can manipulate artificial weather, again from Marvel. Storm can NEVER be out of tune with the weather so even if thor did do whateve he doesnt take away from her power nor does he control her, she still would be able to control the weather even if thor was standing next to her. Well hmm, that doesnt make sense about the goddess Ma'at. If ur saying that Thor could have powers because of his Dad and Mom, yet Storm is unlikly to have inherited any gifts that any of her ancestors had, well come on that is just ridiculous. (I would have thought people would love or would be able to really describe heroes, considering its something they like I dont know why you guys even read comics)

 

[moraldeficiency]

Thor can create weather but it is still Weather...this is what that means. Thor if on a planet could create weather in ways that it wasnt normally on that planet, meaning if Hurricane winds on planet x spun the opposite way on planet 4, he could make the winds on x spin like it was on 4. He cant create weather that isnt weather, like a hurricane of just sand and no wind or rain with no water, that only means that his powers dont directly affect any other area he uses magic to create what he needs. And so what if he can do it, im stating it because obviously she can do it as well, so his powers are seemingly not that exponential. And the fact that she held Goddess of Thunder and Weilded a hammer of Terene, means that obviously she has a status somewhere comparable. If thor would decided to control the weather on earth, alter the conditions anyway make funnels anyway he wanted, storms ability as outline BY MARVEL says she can see the natural phenomena or reasoning behind weather, machine, nervous system patterns, so no matter what Thor does Storm is never left blind looking around at the weather like uh hmm, how is this happening. All THor changing the weather would do, is change storm, if he gives the winds more power he also gives it to storm, considering storm didnt create the false winds but she can manipulate artificial weather, again from Marvel. Storm can NEVER be out of tune with the weather so even if thor did do whateve he doesnt take away from her power nor does he control her, she still would be able to control the weather even if thor was standing next to her. Well hmm, that doesnt make sense about the goddess Ma'at. If ur saying that Thor could have powers because of his Dad and Mom, yet Storm is unlikly to have inherited any gifts that any of her ancestors had, well come on that is just ridiculous. (I would have thought people would love or would be able to really describe heroes, considering its something they like I dont know why you guys even read comics)

That is a really convoluted way of saying storm has weather powers and she is in some indirect way related to godlike beings. (I know you hate one liners, but maybe you should try a more concise approach)

That said, Thor is a god. His father is a god. His mother was the earth itself. We're not talking some long lost lineage, we're talking his direct parents. He cannot age, is almost indestructable, has been fighting and battling other gods before any other marvel hero existed, his mystical powers can tear holes through space.

Storm is a mutant with past lineage. Her mutant powers are limited by her human body and what it can endure. She does have some mystical connections to upper beings but end of the day if she fights someone that cannot be affected by weather, some like oh, say, THOR, then she really can't do jack.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

She was being manipulated by Loki when she was goddess of thunder, so that doesn't mean much. Thor wasn't even around for her to be compared to. But he has ousted other pretenders to his title, such as Eric Masterson and Red Norvell, with ease.

No one ever argued that Storm wouldn't be able to see what Thor was doing with the weather. His divine right of control over the weather, however, would prevent her from doing anything about it unless he allowed her to. I don't know how else to say it: Thor, as the son of Gaea and Norse god of thunder, has complete dominion over the weather of Earth by divine right. Magic trumps science--Thor's powers are magical, Storm's are biological.

Having Ma'at as your ancient, ancient ancestor is very different from having Mother Nature and the most powerful Skyfather of Earth's collective pantheons as your direct parents. The fact that Ma'at is her ancient ancestor makes Storm powerful, I'm sure. The fact that Gaea and Odin are Thor's parents makes him more powerful. Besides which, I don't know where Ma'at even enters into any conversation about Storm's potential to control weather. That comes from her mutant X-factor gene and is a form of psionic power. The fact that Ma'at is her ancestor just means she probably has some vestigial magical potential that's likely been diluted through thousands of years of nothing but human ancestors between her and Ma'at.

 

[Miss Webb]

That's a skrullish thing to say ;therefore, I challenge you to a fight to see who is the strongest.

What we are, must not be known
What we were, must not be seen

and so...

Storm vs Thor vs Hulk vs Spidey vs Venom vs Doc Strange vs Quasar vs Nova vs Sampson vs Vision vs Silver Surfer vs Annihlus vs Moondragon vs Phoenix vs Gambit vs Namor vs Galactus vs the Watcher vs Chaos vs Nature vs the SPOT...t:

 

[moraldeficiency]

What we are, must not be known
What we were, must not be seen

and so...

Storm vs Thor vs Hulk vs Spidey vs Venom vs Doc Strange vs Quasar vs Nova vs Sampson vs Vision vs Silver Surfer vs Annihlus vs Moondragon vs Phoenix vs Gambit vs the SPOT...t:

Nice quote...

Squirrel Girl FTW!!!

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

current obsessions running wild on boards:

1. "versus" threads
2. "strongest" threads
3. "skrull" threads

Obsession...a single minded fixation and repetition of thought pattern in an unending circle.

Current.....? Vs. and strongest threads have always and always will be an obsession here at the hype and other comic book boards.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

She was being manipulated by Loki when she was goddess of thunder, so that doesn't mean much. Thor wasn't even around for her to be compared to. But he has ousted other pretenders to his title, such as Eric Masterson and Red Norvell, with ease.

No one ever argued that Storm wouldn't be able to see what Thor was doing with the weather. His divine right of control over the weather, however, would prevent her from doing anything about it unless he allowed her to. I don't know how else to say it: Thor, as the son of Gaea and Norse god of thunder, has complete dominion over the weather of Earth by divine right. Magic trumps science--Thor's powers are magical, Storm's are biological.

Having Ma'at as your ancient, ancient ancestor is very different from having Mother Nature and the most powerful Skyfather of Earth's collective pantheons as your direct parents. The fact that Ma'at is her ancient ancestor makes Storm powerful, I'm sure. The fact that Gaea and Odin are Thor's parents makes him more powerful. Besides which, I don't know where Ma'at even enters into any conversation about Storm's potential to control weather. That comes from her mutant X-factor gene and is a form of psionic power. The fact that Ma'at is her ancestor just means she probably has some vestigial magical potential that's likely been diluted through thousands of years of nothing but human ancestors between her and Ma'at.

Ozone....if you don't know who Corp is....well he is well respected around here and knows his ****, don't toss his opinions away lightly. Just because you think you're right.

Although Corp can be an arrogant ******* at times....oops did I say that out loud?...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Dude, don't start telling people I'm respectable. That starts setting expectations and then I have to actually think.

 

[PhotoJones]

Shut up and eat your Twinkie.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes'm.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Dude, don't start telling people I'm respectable. That starts setting expectations and then I have to actually think.

That's why I gave you an out....now you can rant and rave like you're on some crazy knowledge binge and your only concern is to hear yourself talk about how right you are.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That would take work. I'm not down with that at this particular juncture.

 

[OZONE]

Then explain these to me:
Thors mother is Earth...storm gets her powers from Earth, so then Thors mother bestowd power onto Storm or further reached that she is the essence that storm is. Marvel says that the weather will cloud if she is angry, and when she is happy she will always be in the present of clear weather (unless actively through restraint and by way she does allow her life to not affect nature, it works however she is never totally unaffected by weather and weather is never totally unaffected by her.) Saying storm doesnt get her powers from the essence of nature is odd then. If Storm inadvertantly affects the weather and weather is unconditionally and stated by everything in every comic affected by her whether voluntarily or involuntarily means for the record that storm and nature are one. Storm may call upon certain winds at certain times, usually through a more 'talk to myself as I do it" kinda thing, but she can also sense, change, and understand the weather by though of own emotional state. If a severe storm is somewhere she doesnt just sense it she feels it meaning that no matter where weather is or how far she is away she can tell. Anyone controlling the weather she will be able to tell. That person manipulating the weather cause unnatural magical phenomena she will know because it will tell her and will dominate her until she fixes it and hence she will calm down when it is at balance. Proof that she is like the guardian of weather, prevents unnatural weather damage such as undoing such effects of weather, further proof that she keeps nature in balance and hence she has no choice but to keep it in balance. lest she runs fits and powers rage out of control...Now if the world just here on Earth would go out of control for no reason...If she tried to fix the Entire world I think she would die, but oddly not because of her power, exaustion of the mind, but not a physical damage. She would be overwhelmed with not wanting to lose control, to protect who she can, and to undo and not feel the pain of the winds. meaning instead of letting herself feel the pain and the weather carry out its path Storm herself would inevitbly become that, she would only recover solice by fusing with the pattern and let it follow its course out, meaning she would be the only one left perhaps or that she would have to survive while her friends died. Storm doesnt sense nature like a telepath senses other mutants, telepaths detect their senses they only they dont detect her. Which means it is beyond a psychic gift of manipulation meaning doesnt require thought. As previously she has be shown to control Cosmic Flares Cosmic Storms to kill sentinels, and Cosmic Energy to kill broods. Meaning her "weather play" isnt just defined by our view of weather here on earth, ie: weather winds versus solar winds, Cosmic Energy versus Earth Energy. She can detect and control ocean currents, she can breath underwater, she can feel the pull the moon has, she can create pressure domes as she did crushing 2 ships in space, not on earth. She can detain forces inside these fields, as when she prevented the nuclear bomb destruction, she can also prevent things from entering this dome that she's created, she can prevent the precipitation or winds from affecting her even if she is in the middle of the storm, she is practically immune to air friction, can fly up and above 300mph and even sense death's in nature as well as control nervous system current(again all this is from Marvel) Therefore could suck it right out. Storm gets weak out of her control to sustain her inner rage all the while trying to fix the current problem *dont do too much cause u can cause innocent damage, to defy the winds she dies, its like her fighting destiny and destiny winning, if she would aid destiny she wouldnt die or get exhausted, shed be riding free..how? If storm would see a hurricane off the coast and decided not to move it but to help it do you think Storm would tire? Nope shes not doing much just helping it out. If it was raining and Storm speeded up the raining do u think she would tire out as much as if she were stopping it? Certainly not. (Lucky for you guys I wont post anymore, lol)

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ummm............paragraphs???? They do exist, and if you plan on being a writer, you should start using them. Just a thought.