Suicide Squad box office prediction - Part 2

[Micromind]

I think that speaks more ill about Apocalypse than positive for SS.

SS over-performed and XM:A underperformed.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Mark Hughes and Rob Liefeld are having an argument about the SS box office on Twitter...

 

[Artorias]

$155mil domestic on a $180mil budget plus Fox went hard with the marketing. If a DCEU movie did those sort of numbers it would be deemed catastrophic/the end as we know it.

Yet Apocalypse wasn't subjected to the kind of vitriol and negativity that SS was. In fact if I could sum up that movie in one word it would be indifferent. People simply don't seem to care about X-movies anymore, whether they are good or bad (besides Deadpool) so it kind of slid under the radar.

Unfortunately DC movies don't have that luxury.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Liefeld and Mark Millar are saying the actual budget for SS was $250m, funny how those Fox Marvel guys don't point out the failure of X-Men Apocalypse which was a flop that pretty much tanked the series.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Seriously, I've said this before and I'll repeat 'em again, if such an exorbitant amount of money was spent on making the movie then I really really want to watch that movie because what I saw in theaters surely ain't what it is being made out as.

 

[idiot09]

It has been said that the actual budget for SS shooting+marketing is somewhere around $300M.The fact that it looks to make well above $650M is a testament of its success financially and its not a secret that XMen:Apocalypse failed financially(i liked the movie though).Its not even a debate.

 

[brandeezy89]

Liefeld and Mark Millar are saying the actual budget for SS was $250m, funny how those Fox Marvel guys don't point out the failure of X-Men Apocalypse which was a flop that pretty much tanked the series.

I don't why those two are so obsessed with DC's BO and movies in general. They've been doing this for every DC movie. Mark even implied that Zack and co should be shot for making BvS

Those Deadpool numbers must've gotten to their heads

 

[NotNickFury]

I don't think any DCEU movie has been a failure so far just a disappointment. You can go into a exam wanting 90% but end up getting 60%. You passed, but you can still be disappointed, this was definitely the case for BvS.

But I think WB will be pretty happy about Squad's performance, especially if it manages to cross $300mil domestic. It was a mid tier franchise, no one knew what to expect. But it made more then X-Men Apocalypse's entire domestic run in it's first week.

It ought to be more about money for Warner Bros when Suicide Squad, while a more competently made film than Dawn of Justice, is barely better critically received than the other DCEU film to come out in 2016. And I don't believe anyone who gets a 60 on an exam, while still a passing grade, is going to just be glad with that. A grade of D is still a D.

And while I enjoyed the film, it's still a mess when it comes to editing and directing, particularly in its third act. Even though the third act is something that plagues a lot of Marvel Studios' films, since we're bringing in other franchises, something like Civil War is at least a critical success as well as financial.

 

[Micromind]

Why SS needed a big budget is a mystery to me, I mean.. most of the movie was shot on real locations, most of the third act was shot on streets and they used prosthetics and makeup for the creatures and killer Croc, CGI was not that great either.

Apart from Jared Leto, Viola Davis and Will Smith, other cast members were mostly character actors who could be called as B listers.

So, where was the need for Big Budget ?

 

[dc_mos]

Wednesday: Suicide Squad $1.9m
http://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/22415-wednesday-suicide-squad-19m/

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Exactly what I thought it would make and SS will gross 1.75 million tomorrow to bring the total to 8.45 million in the 4 weekdays which is a really good result.

 

[kguillou]

Why SS needed a big budget is a mystery to me, I mean.. most of the movie was shot on real locations, most of the third act was shot on streets and they used prosthetics and makeup for the creatures and killer Croc, CGI was not that great either.

Apart from Jared Leto, Viola Davis and Will Smith, other cast members were mostly character actors who could be called as B listers.

So, where was the need for Big Budget ?

This is the real head scratcher. Where the Hell did the money go? Most of the film took place in one location. I honestly believe whatever CGI house WB is using is ripping them off because I've seen many films with much better CGI for a quarter of SS' budget.

 

[LoganGambit87]

Why SS needed a big budget is a mystery to me, I mean.. most of the movie was shot on real locations, most of the third act was shot on streets and they used prosthetics and makeup for the creatures and killer Croc, CGI was not that great either.

Apart from Jared Leto, Viola Davis and Will Smith, other cast members were mostly character actors who could be called as B listers.

So, where was the need for Big Budget ?

you do know shooting on location is more expensive than cgi

 

[Knight-Tale]

and with wednesday you can officially say Suicide Squad has surpassed BvS' legs

 

[rayc1971]

Liefeld and Mark Millar are saying the actual budget for SS was $250m, funny how those Fox Marvel guys don't point out the failure of X-Men Apocalypse which was a flop that pretty much tanked the series.

i dont think it tanked the series days of future past was a hit so they miss fired on apocalypse they will make another with a new director they are still making another wolverine solo the series is not tanked

 

[Adhesive Boy]

If anyone asked me in January which movie will make more money, Suicide Squad or X-Men: Apocalypse, I would have said X-M:A.

SS making this much money is unexpected surprise, it's no small feat.

I think SS making more money was always a possibility. The X-franchise hasn't been the huge moneymaker and Apocalypse becomes a very different thing than DoFP. The trailers hardly looked convincing either. SS on the other hand had very well received trailers and the promised edgy fun feel is certainly a possible crowd pleaser. Add the Joker and Batman and I'm not surprised.

That SS wasn't particularly good matters less since neither was Apocalypse.

 

[Knight-Tale]

I mean when you compare the X-men and Wolverine movies they aren't really killing the box office.
X-men isn't flopping but they are on a lower tier than DC ent or Marvel studios
Deadpool is their most successful film and they are trying to figure out how that can translate over to X-men

 

[JtheDreamer]

It has been said that the actual budget for SS shooting+marketing is somewhere around $300M.The fact that it looks to make well above $650M is a testament of its success financially and its not a secret that XMen:Apocalypse failed financially(i liked the movie though).Its not even a debate.

How is that a success?

Let's just say it finishes with a $300million gross in the states and $350million gross internationally.

They get 50% of the cut here = $150million
They get 35% of the cut abroad = $122.50million

That only amounts to a boxoffice cume of roughly $272million that doesn't even cover the entire costs of both production and marketing.

 

[NotNickFury]

i dont think it tanked the series days of future past was a hit so they miss fired on apocalypse they will make another with a new director they are still making another wolverine solo the series is not tanked

Agreed. Not to mention if the same team behind Deadpool handles the sequel or has any input in X-Force, the series may have stumbled, but it's very much not tanked.

 

[Kathemy]

It was a mid tier franchise, no one knew what to expect. But it made more then X-Men Apocalypse's entire domestic run in it's first week. But now some people basically trying to say it is billion or bust, talk about moving the goal posts. Seems like we will get this sort of mentality for every DCEU movie.

Yes, the level of desperation from the haterdom is truly astonishing. As a side note, as mentioned at BOT Suicide Squad has just passed the 2x multiplier. If it manages to pass 304 million, which is looking quite possible, it'll end up with a better multiplier than Civil War. And then they say the movie is a financial failure that has no legs...

 

[JtheDreamer]

Yes, the level of desperation from the haterdom is truly astonishing. As a side note, as mentioned at BOT Suicide Squad has just passed the 2x multiplier. If it manages to pass 304 million, which is looking quite possible, it'll end up with a better multiplier than Civil War. And then they say the movie is a financial failure that has no legs...

Failure/Success is determined by RETURN ON INVESTMENT. They must show significant profit compared to the production/marketing budget.

I guess it must be easier to wage a war on haters like a junior high student though.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Agreed. Not to mention if the same team behind Deadpool handles the sequel or has any input in X-Force, the series may have stumbled, but it's very much not tanked.

I meant the main X-Men series. I don't expect Fox to make one of those for a while.

 

[Kathemy]

Failure/Success is determined by RETURN ON INVESTMENT. They must show significant profit compared to the production/marketing budget.

I guess it must be easier to wage a war on haters like a junior high student though.

By your utterly absurd logic nearly every major film made during the last decade is a flop. As an example, Iron Man II and Captain America: The First Avenger would both end up around eighty million dollars in the red. (!!!) And the last of those started a franchise!

I will now post a simple diagram that might be of interest for intellectually honest posters here; I can't take credit for discovering it since it was handed to me by friends at the Theory.

Spoiler

http://www.wsj.com/articles/for-hollywood-not-all-box-office-dollars-are-equal-1409241925

Your numbers and your methods are flawed, simplistic and possibly fraudulent. The reason I don't normally bother responding to you isn't that I have a problem refuting your trash; it's that I can't take you seriously.

 

[rashad]

SS should already be around 600-610m, counting the mid-week numbers overseas, heading into the weekend.

 

[brandeezy89]

How is that a success?

Let's just say it finishes with a $300million gross in the states and $350million gross internationally.

They get 50% of the cut here = $150million
They get 35% of the cut abroad = $122.50million

That only amounts to a boxoffice cume of roughly $272million that doesn't even cover the entire costs of both production and marketing.

What?

The spin is out of control for this movie lmao