Suicide Squad box office prediction - Part 2

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It deserved to open higher. Saw it last night and it was really good.

According to deadline :

"In all fairness, the marketplace is stacked against all titles, not just Ben-Hur, due to schools back in session the final weekend of the Rio Summer Olympics."
 
Why does Box Office Mojo have the current total at $490M?
 
On the matter of "A list characters". . . being major important characters in the comics is utterly meaningless. What matters is public exposure and pop culture awareness. So, yes, prior to 2001, the only A list character Marvel had, in the sense of being at all comparable to Superman or Batman? Spider-man. I'm comfortable adding "Wolverine" after the X-Men movies came out and made him an icon ( and bumped him out of the B-list he was already on ).

Prior to the MCU, the Hulk had a reasonably well-remembered 70s TV show, a couple of cartoons over the years, and one fairly unsuccessful movie. Iron Man. . . had a couple cartoons that were at best as prominent as the Hulk's cartoons, and that's it. Thus, Hulk was B-list ( the average person actually knows about him, and can probably name a few facts ), and Iron Man was. . . not ( the average person likely doesn't even know his name ).

Compare that with Spider-man, who even prior to 2001, had numerous fairly long running and successful cartoons, a few 70s TV and movie stuff, and a generally high level of pop culture awareness such that the average person could not only describe several important facts about the character, but likely could sing the whole Spider-man theme song. And then proceeded to gain massive attention the moment a movie was actually happening, to record-breaking success.

And even that looks fairly small compared to Superman and Batman. By 2001, Superman had 4 movies ( and a spinoff ), three live actions TV shows, and numerous cartoons. Batman had four ( or five! ) movies, one live action TV show, and more cartoons than you could shake a stick at, including actual Emmy Awards. Both characters, the average man on the street could not only name most of the important facts about them, but also run down a list of important supporting characters for both. Their *sidekicks and love interests* are iconic in a way that nobody at Marvel save Spider-man was.

Marvel has several A-list characters right now, who have jumped ahead and are now major pop culture icons. Its important not to confuse this modern case with the way things once were. Just because Iron Man is an A-list icon now, doesn't mean he wasn't a non-entity prior to RDJ.
 
On the matter of "A list characters". . . being major important characters in the comics is utterly meaningless. What matters is public exposure and pop culture awareness. So, yes, prior to 2001, the only A list character Marvel had, in the sense of being at all comparable to Superman or Batman? Spider-man. I'm comfortable adding "Wolverine" after the X-Men movies came out and made him an icon ( and bumped him out of the B-list he was already on ).

Prior to the MCU, the Hulk had a reasonably well-remembered 70s TV show, a couple of cartoons over the years, and one fairly unsuccessful movie. Iron Man. . . had a couple cartoons that were at best as prominent as the Hulk's cartoons, and that's it. Thus, Hulk was B-list ( the average person actually knows about him, and can probably name a few facts ), and Iron Man was. . . not ( the average person likely doesn't even know his name ).

Compare that with Spider-man, who even prior to 2001, had numerous fairly long running and successful cartoons, a few 70s TV and movie stuff, and a generally high level of pop culture awareness such that the average person could not only describe several important facts about the character, but likely could sing the whole Spider-man theme song. And then proceeded to gain massive attention the moment a movie was actually happening, to record-breaking success.

And even that looks fairly small compared to Superman and Batman. By 2001, Superman had 4 movies ( and a spinoff ), three live actions TV shows, and numerous cartoons. Batman had four ( or five! ) movies, one live action TV show, and more cartoons than you could shake a stick at, including actual Emmy Awards. Both characters, the average man on the street could not only name most of the important facts about them, but also run down a list of important supporting characters for both. Their *sidekicks and love interests* are iconic in a way that nobody at Marvel save Spider-man was.

Marvel has several A-list characters right now, who have jumped ahead and are now major pop culture icons. Its important not to confuse this modern case with the way things once were. Just because Iron Man is an A-list icon now, doesn't mean he wasn't a non-entity prior to RDJ.

Exactly. Again, I liken it to A-list actors. There's a reason why you pay $20 million for Will Smith to be in your film, or for Robert Downey Jr. Because those actors bring more than just their acting ability, they bring with them their fanbase, along with their ability to market a film, all of their previous achievements, etc.

Same goes with A-list characters of any type. If WB decided in 10 years to reboot the Harry Potter franchise for a whole new generation of kids, guess what? It's going to do major money because everyone will still remember the name "Harry Potter". The character is an A-list character, a franchise in and of himself, just like Superman, Batman, and Spider-man.

It's no coincidence we've had 3 different film iterations of Batman (Burtonverse, Nolanverse, DCEU), Superman (Donnerverse, Singer, DCEU) and Spider-man (Raimiverse, TASM, MCU) and most of these within the last 20 years. They'll reboot these characters as many times as needed. Meanwhile we've had one GL, one Iron Man, one Flash, etc. you get the idea. A-list characters count when it comes to the box-office.
 
One of the reasons the DCEU movies are so frontloaded is because of the fanboy effect,people rush in to see these iconic characters.Ofcourse there are other factors as well but this is one of them.
 
One of the reasons the DCEU movies are so frontloaded is because of the fanboy effect,people rush in to see these iconic characters.Ofcourse there are other factors as well but this is one of them.

There is no denying that there is a huge fanbase for DC but the real heroes for the frontloading of DCEU movies so far are the trailer guys, they are the real deal.
 
There is no denying that there is a huge fanbase for DC but the real heroes for the frontloading of DCEU movies so far are the trailer guys, they are the real deal.

Yep,the hyping from the trailers have been unreal.So obviously the OW numbers get a bit inflated due to that,other factors notwithstanding.
 
Why does Box Office Mojo have the current total at $490M?

Box Office Mojo updates foreign tallies twice weekly. They will add the foreign ticket sales for 15-19 August later today. The worldwide total for Suicide Squad is above 500 million.
 
Who thought making another Ben-Hur was a good idea?
 
One of the reasons the DCEU movies are so frontloaded is because of the fanboy effect,people rush in to see these iconic characters.Ofcourse there are other factors as well but this is one of them.

That hardly explains why they are more frontloaded than let's say The Dark Knight Rises (that came after the record breaking run of the insanely well received The Dark Knight and was hugely hyped) or any Nolan Batman movie for that matter, or any of the DC films that came before (save from Steel probably).
The frontloading of the DCEU is a unique case in the genre akin to the Twilight or Transformers franchise (and I think that those franchises were fairly less frontloaded when they started).
 
Who thought making another Ben-Hur was a good idea?

That is absolutely baffling. And Paramount actually dropped 100M on the project trying to surf on the trend of faith based movies and woefully ignoring that in the genre, blockbusters tend to flop hard. That was a stupid, stupid decision.
 
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They could have at least released Ben Hur as an oscar bait movie(its not good enough to be one mind you but still) but nope they wanted to get that summer faith based movie money.
 
SS got bad reviews?
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That hardly explains why they are more frontloaded than let's say The Dark Knight Rises


One of the reasons the DCEU movies are so frontloaded

TDKR is obviously a much superior movie to SS.But you missed my point.I am saying the fanboy effect/outstanding marketing played a part.
 
There is no denying that there is a huge fanbase for DC but the real heroes for the frontloading of DCEU movies so far are the trailer guys, they are the real deal.

At least they are until they get called in to edit the whole dang movie...
 
http://deadline.com/2016/08/ben-hur...cide-squad-sausage-party-war-dogs-1201806438/

1). Suicide Squad (UNI), 3,924 theaters (-331) / $6M Fri. (-54%)/ 3-day cume: $20.2M (-54%) /Total cume: $262.1M/ Wk 3

Thats much better than the intially projected numbers.Anything above $20mil(~53 % drop is decent) for SS this weekend is good.This movie seems to have better legs than I guessed.This will make $300mil domestic for sure now,and thats a big win for a SS movie.
 
There is no denying that there is a huge fanbase for DC but the real heroes for the frontloading of DCEU movies so far are the trailer guys, they are the real deal.

True that. Those trailers are some of the best trailers in comic book movie history. Especially the MoS one.
 
TDKR is obviously a much superior movie to SS.But you missed my point.I am saying the fanboy effect/outstanding marketing played a part.

So we're not allowed to wonder why suddenly it would play such A BIGGER part in the frontloading of the DC films albeit featuring basically the same set of characters? And what would be the other things explaining that frontloading ?
 
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At least they are until they get called in to edit the whole dang movie...

I hope to hell that WB has learned their lesson about butchering films in the editing room at the last minute, BvS and SS wouldn't have been praised to high heaven, but they might've been able to avoid getting critically panned and gotten a better audience reception, granted hard to say unless a DC for SS comes out, or at least the deleted scenes. They can't keep polarizing their audiences like this.
 
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