Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - Part 27

[ManWithNoName18]

Really the film hasn't even come out yet.

The reviews have not been kind

 

[Snow Queen]

I didn't expect this to be good from the material they've been putting out but I didn't expect it to go quite as bad as the reviews are trending. I'll be seeing it Friday, look forward to seeing it for myself.

 

[jfurioso]

Neither did I thought the Joker would have a big role.
In fact...I think the Joker has had enough exposure in film that other villains could be explored...I am not sure.

I never thought the Joker would be that big a role, either. And I think that is a good thing.
Because in this movie, the Joker is basically a Harley supporting character, part of her origin and background and motivation and I like that.

Also, because Heath Ledger's Joker was so exceptional, a high-profile reboot of it was a dubious proposition, so having a new Joker take introduced in sideways fashion seems to me a more viable way to recover the character for use in films without creating a forceful direct comparison against a recent beloved version.

 

[DeadStroke]

The only review that matters

Grace Randolph ‏@GraceRandolph 34m34 minutes ago
In my seat for #SuicideSquad... #MomentOfTruth

 

[ManWithNoName18]

**** this ****. Just make a good movie DC. Marvel has never made a BVS level disaster EVER. Why are they so much better at this? I don't understand why DC can't get it together when those two should be great competitors

I mean Sony got Lucky with Sam Raimi on the first two Spider-Man movies. And they couldn't keep pumping out consistently good Spider-Man movies. Meanwhile Fox seems to have both highs and lows when it comes to their marvel properties. Marvel Studios is the only game in town providing consistently well reviewed money making cbms.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

false, this is the only person who's review matters.

 

[brandeezy89]

**** this ****. Just make a good movie DC. Marvel has never made a BVS level disaster EVER. Why are they so much better at this? I don't understand why DC can't get it together when those two should be great competitors

At this point it comes down to WB. We've heard both early versions of SS/BvS were superior to the theatrical cut which were ****ed up late in the game because of the suits. Time Warner needs to step in and start firing people

 

[FunkMiller]

**** this ****. Just make a good movie DC. Marvel has never made a BVS level disaster EVER. Why are they so much better at this? I don't understand why DC can't get it together when those two should be great competitors

Because they essentially created a genre (shared universe) that everybody else is playing catch up to get in on.

Instead of ploughing their own furrow, DC have just attempted to copy Marvel, only they've tried to do it in half the time, with a fifth of the movies. And that just doesn't ****ing work on any day of the week. No company who is trying to emulate a more successful rival who has a head start has ever come up trumps.

DC should have stuck to individual universes, given Superman a proper run out, ignored the pressure to combine their characters, and produce clean, cohesive movies - essentially recreating the successful template of The Dark Knight trilogy, rather than trying to recreate Marvel's way of doing things.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Kevin Fiege is the perfect blend of fanboy/producer and knows what's right for the MCU. Johns definetly has the fanboy in common with Fiege, not sure about the producer part.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

welp, at least the memes are gonna be top notch.

 

[FunkMiller]

welp, at least the memes are gonna be top notch.

brilliant.

 

[Iceman]

I never thought the Joker would be that big a role, either. And I think that is a good thing.
Because in this movie, the Joker is basically a Harley supporting character, part of her origin and background and motivation and I like that.

Also, because Heath Ledger's Joker was so exceptional, a high-profile reboot of it was a dubious proposition, so having a new Joker take introduced in sideways fashion seems to me a more viable way to recover the character for use in films without creating a forceful direct comparison against a recent beloved version.

Definitely agree with that. Sideways lol, I like the terminology.

 

[Guts]

Kevin Fiege is the perfect blend of fanboy/producer and knows what's right for the MCU. Johns definetly has the fanboy in common with Fiege, not sure about the producer part.

Both of them also have that receding hair line.

 

[Saint]

Well, that sucks. I'll go see the film and make my own judgements, as I always do, but in my experience, where there's smoke, there's usually fire. I would have liked for Suicide Squad to be the Dredd of the DC Universe.

Given that films with good talent (proven writers and actors, and in this particular case, a good director) are not turning out good results, I have to wonder if the problem lies further up the chain, at the executive level. As anyone who's worked at a business knows, poor executive vision (and interference) can kill a project. I hope that the recent changes at DC Films help correct that problem in time for Justice League to hit. Still, I think there's only so much you can do with Zack Snyder at the helm.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

welp, at least the memes are gonna be top notch.

Actually in tears at my desk after this.

 

[C. Lee]

A reminder to everyone.....uncensored cursing is not allowed on the Hype....so do not post videos with uncensored cursing in it.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Oh jeez. I had hopes for this to be a decent critical darling. Ill still go see it but after majority being right about BvS and I ended up agreeing with them, I definitely have my doubts now.

 

[Zero_Effect]

**** this ****. Just make a good movie DC. Marvel has never made a BVS level disaster EVER. Why are they so much better at this? I don't understand why DC can't get it together when those two should be great competitors

Kevin Feige's don't grow on trees.

 

[DeadStroke]

I never thought the Joker would be that big a role, either. And I think that is a good thing.
Because in this movie, the Joker is basically a Harley supporting character, part of her origin and background and motivation and I like that.

Also, because Heath Ledger's Joker was so exceptional, a high-profile reboot of it was a dubious proposition, so having a new Joker take introduced in sideways fashion seems to me a more viable way to recover the character for use in films without creating a forceful direct comparison against a recent beloved version.

You're right.

Especially if you read the New 52 Suicide Squad comics because Joker is basically just part of her origin story and then tries to get her back later (although for different reasons)

So that translating to screen is exactly how it is in those comics.

Here's the issue.

- David Ayer talking about how magnificent Leto was on set for the last 18 months or so.
- Every Leto interview talking about how he prepared for the Joker and all these weird gifts (I really think some critics were ready to pounce on him once they saw his character was a non factor/not written as well)
- Ayer drastically changes the look of the Joker. A Joker that has to be fit in other filmmakers movies.....for just a 10 minute role. I know new 52 Joker changes his look a lot, but why so drastic if you're not going to use him more. This is Ayer's vision and he can't shortsighted to produce one that only works for his film and not even show us if he works!
- The over promotion. Waaaaaaaaay too many Joker articles, promos, videos, etc etc.

In hindsight they would have been better off just telling the media from the very beginning he has a very small role in the movie. He's more of a cameo. Lowers so much expectations.

Oh well. I still think I'll enjoy him in this movie, but it just sucks how they went about this. I'm hoping Affleck can utilizing him properly in his film.

 

[Aquafinn90]

The only review that matters

Grace Randolph ‏@GraceRandolph 34m34 minutes ago
In my seat for #SuicideSquad... #MomentOfTruth

Who exactly is this woman?



Interesting that reportedly(although unconfirmed I guess) Ayer's "vision won"- yet a lot of reviews point to the editing as being a problem. I almost think its a possibility that an extended cut may arrive on Blu-ray that wasn't initially planned, especially considering how more well received the UC of BVS was- and how high the Blu-ray sales of it are.

 

[jmc]

Kevin Fiege is the perfect blend of fanboy/producer and knows what's right for the MCU. Johns definetly has the fanboy in common with Fiege, not sure about the producer part.

I've given Fiege and Marvel a lot of crap over the years for some of their creative decisions but at the very least there's a level of quality control over there that's absent at WB.

 

[jfurioso]

You're right.

Especially if you read the New 52 Suicide Squad comics because Joker is basically just part of her origin story and then tries to get her back later (although for different reasons)

So that translating to screen is exactly how it is in those comics.

Here's the issue.

- David Ayer talking about how magnificent Leto was on set for the last 18 months or so.
- Every Leto interview talking about how he prepared for the Joker and all these weird gifts (I really think some critics were ready to pounce on him once they saw his character was a non factor/not written as well)
- Ayer drastically changes the look of the Joker. A Joker that has to be fit in other filmmakers movies.....for just a 10 minute role. I know new 52 Joker changes his look a lot, but why so drastic if you're not going to use him more. This is Ayer's vision and he can't shortsighted to produce one that only works for his film and not even show us if he works!
- The over promotion. Waaaaaaaaay too many Joker articles, promos, videos, etc etc.

In hindsight they would have been better off just telling the media from the very beginning he has a very small role in the movie. He's more of a cameo. Lowers so much expectations.

Oh well. I still think I'll enjoy him in this movie, but it just sucks how they went about this. I'm hoping Affleck can utilizing him properly in his film.

Perhaps, yes. Too much is ALWAYS made of the Joker, IMO.

That marketing overselling of the role/performance is part of the meta hype that in my opinion can create a problematic context for properties like these that have been exposed so often before to the public and are so vulnerable to prejudgment.

I used to be very active in local theater groups. Even when not acting or directing I was visiting rehearsals, previewing production details, etc. It ended up spoiling my whole enjoyment of the performances in the long run.
Each play I had already read and cast and acted in my mind and the actual production most often proved disappointing. I had to step away to regain perspective. Sometimes you can get TOO involved and overzealous.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I wonder if this will do anything to Geoff Johns. I mean I doubt WB/DC will do anything but he is suppose to help these films flourish but all the ones he has been part of have done the opposite.

 

[kguillou]

Here's the thing, Marvel's key is their characters. Marvel's films (and tv) have charming characters that are hard to not like. Even Daredevil, which is Marvel's darkest, grittiest foray (amd imo their best live action attempt, like, ever) has very charming, loveable characters that you just wanna root for. Even the freaking Punisher. So, even when Marvel makes a lackluster film, people let it slide because they just enjoy being with those characters so much.

I love DC's films so far but I can SEE what people dont like about them. Their characters are less charming, more complex creatures. Its harder to get into their heads and root for them and I see how thats a problem for a lot of people even though for me it isnt.

SS is most likely from that same ilk. If people arent falling in love with this rag tag team of misfits then the movie is gonna have a rough go at winning people over and things like lackluster plot, pacing and action is gonna stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[Juan1193]

It's interesting when you look at the Rotten Tomatoes scores and compare critics and audience scores for the DCEU and the MCU. The Audience score lines up perfectly with the critics score when it comes to the MCU, the biggest difference is 4%. Then you take a look at the DCEU movies and you get huge gaps!! 20% difference for MOS (55 vs 75) and almost 40% difference for BVS (27 vs 65). I'm starting to believe critics hold DC to a stricter/higher standard than Marvel. The Audience scores are more accurate than the critics scores for the DCEU imo.

I wonder how the Squad's audience score will turn out.