Superman SPOILER Review Thread (NO TAGS NECESSARY)

[Galactus123]

I hope for a solid presence of Superman in the new Supergirl.

I wouldn't expect that. She probably has a big role in Superman 2.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Apart from some nitpicks, I loved it. So very comic booky which I thought would turn some people off but my Dad and Aunt loved the movie also.

Gunn injects so much heart into his movies but the cast were just great all around. Clark and Lois were likeable in different ways. Superman is just so earnest about serving humanity but also being that beacon of hope and being so relatable with it also. Hoult was very hateable and I loved all of the Justice gang. Guy was spot on.

The Engineer was pretty good but I was a bit mixed on Ultraman. I didn't like him being stronger than Supes as nothing man made should be IMO, but at the same time the character was a good representation of Lex's hate and envy if Superman. And him going through a black hole at the end could easily see him end up on another version of Earth and becoming the comics version, so that was nice to see.

I didn't like what they did with El's but I think that can easily be changed or walked back later. Krypto was great as was The Fortress and Superman even showing care for his robots.

Overall Gunn has done it again. I was very vocal about liking Snyders movies and I still do, but this new version was great in different ways. 9/10.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah my one nitpick with Ultraman was that I don’t understand how Lex verbally giving him commands would allow him to best Superman. Because even if he is much stronger, Superman has lightning fast reflexes so he should theoretically be capable of landing multiple blows on Ultraman before Luthor could even give him an order. I think Lex should have had some sort of super (or ultra) fast AI feeding him those instructions, but I guess Gunn likes his “villain playing video games” moments like he did in GOTG 2 haha. It still works but if you think about it, that part doesn’t make a lot of sense.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah my one nitpick with Ultraman was that I don’t understand how Lex verbally giving him commands would allow him to best Superman. Because even if he is much stronger, Superman has lightning fast reflexes so he should theoretically be capable of landing multiple blows on Ultraman before Luthor could even give him an order. I think Lex should have had some sort of super (or ultra) fast AI feeding him those instructions, but I guess Gunn likes his “villain playing video games” moments like he did in GOTG 2 haha. It still works but if you think about it, that part doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Yeah the commands bit was a bit strange I didn't think much of that either. As you point our Supes is moving faster than the eye can see at times so Lex's commands wouldn't even get to UM in time for him to react. But in a movie with pocket universes and stuff I learned to live with it.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah the commands bit was a bit strange I didn't think much of that either. As you point out Supes is moving faster than the eye can see at times so Lex's commands wouldn't even get to UM in time for him to react. But in a movie with pocket universes and stuff I learned to live with it.

Yeah it’s not a big deal but given how fast AI is capable of moving in the real world, it’s odd that Gunn didn’t capitalize on that in the movie, especially after he said earlier how Ultraman could counter every one of Superman’s moves. For a moment there, I almost thought they might throw us a curveball and Ultraman was going to turn out to be The Midnighter since he has that ability and this movie ties into The Authority (or will).

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah it’s not a big deal but given how fast AI is capable of moving in the real world, it’s odd that Gunn didn’t capitalize on that in the movie, especially after he said earlier how Ultraman could counter every one of Superman’s moves. For a moment there, I almost thought they might throw us a curveball and Ultraman was going to turn out to be The Midnighter since he has that ability and this movie ties into The Authority (or will).

Yeah before the reveal I was thinking along those lines myself. But when it was revealed to be a clone I was a bit disappointed. Though I did like how he ended up in a black hole to end up on possibly another Earth.

 

[Karelia]

Yeah before the reveal I was thinking along those lines myself. But when it was revealed to be a clone I was a bit disappointed. Though I did like how he ended up in a black hole to end up on possibly another Earth.

People said the "blackhole" he got sucked in is full of cube shapes... I've seen it twice and somehow forgot to pay attention to that. Anyone else catch that?

 

[Venom 1988]

People said the "blackhole" he got sucked in is full of cube shapes... I've seen it twice and somehow forgot to pay attention to that. Anyone else catch that?

Well it's the anti-matter river or whatever it was called that we saw in the pocket dimension. It was made of cubes and it was running off into the black hole.

 

[chamber-music]

Yeah my one nitpick with Ultraman was that I don’t understand how Lex verbally giving him commands would allow him to best Superman. Because even if he is much stronger, Superman has lightning fast reflexes so he should theoretically be capable of landing multiple blows on Ultraman before Luthor could even give him an order. I think Lex should have had some sort of super (or ultra) fast AI feeding him those instructions, but I guess Gunn likes his “villain playing video games” moments like he did in GOTG 2 haha. It still works but if you think about it, that part doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Lex is a contolling egomaniac who hates Superman. I figured Lex's ego means he would want to personally give the commands, you could see him relishing the beating 'the hammer' gives to Superman.

Lex Luthor didn't need to be as hands on with most of this but he WANTED to be. Lex's hatred of Superman leading to him making mistakes is very on brand for the character.

 

[dhandler01]

Ultraman is not stronger than Superman...he is equal to Superman. He is a clone (an imperfect one) but still within range of Superman (who is probably still not at 100% mind you) and he has the advantage of having help.

Superman can move at superhuman speed but so can Ultraman so having a master tactician like Lex (who remember is also thinking moves ahead) gives him a tiny advantage.

(not to mention this Superman is not Silver Age Superman...he is defeatable he has limits)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ultraman is not stronger than Superman...he is equal to Superman. He is a clone (an imperfect one) but still within range of Superman (who is probably still not at 100% mind you) and he has the advantage of having help.

Superman can move at superhuman speed but so can Ultraman so having a master tactician like Lex (who remember is also thinking moves ahead) gives him a tiny advantage.

(not to mention this Superman is not Silver Age Superman...he is defeatable he has limits)

It was stated by Lex in the movie that Ultraman is stronger buddy.

 

[GreenKToo]

UM may have been slightly Stronger, but superman outsmarted the one controlling him...
that took some doing.

 

[dhandler01]

It was stated by Lex in the movie that Ultraman is stronger buddy.

Pardon me if I dont take the word of the guy who is already lying to the person he said that to

Honest question...how would Lex even know?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Pardon me if I dont take the word of the guy who is already lying to the person he said that to

Honest question...how would Lex even know?

I mean the evidence is in the movie buddy. UM bests Superman in every encounter and needs Krypto's help to finally beat him.

As for your question. We're talking about a movie where Lex's thoughts and commands are quicker than someone who can travel the speed of light.

 

[flickchick85]

Ultraman bested Superman because Lex spent 3 years studying Superman’s fight techniques and designed the exact fight style/moves to counter him. He knew what Supes would do before Supes did it. That was the whole point of the commands. Superman isn’t an especially well-trained fighter. He’s a street brawler who has his go-to moves. When strength is equal, that means he can be bested with a little better technique, which is what Lex was providing to Ultraman.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah before the reveal I was thinking along those lines myself. But when it was revealed to be a clone I was a bit disappointed. Though I did like how he ended up in a black hole to end up on possibly another Earth.

Yeah I think he’ll turn into full-fledged Bizarro and we’ll even get Bizarro World.

 

[Karelia]

Yeah I think he’ll turn into full-fledged Bizarro and we’ll even get Bizarro World.

100% feels like that has to be in play down the road.

 

[Herolee10]

Did anyone else find it weird on how indifferent Clark and Kara came off to each other? Although it was a quick appearance, I didn't get the impression that they've known each for a long time like in most interpretations.

Given how much emphasis was placed on Clark finding comfort in Jor-el and Lara's message, you'd think that he would want to spend more time with his only living blood relative.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ultraman bested Superman because Lex spent 3 years studying Superman’s fight techniques and designed the exact fight style/moves to counter him. He knew what Supes would do before Supes did it. That was the whole point of the commands. Superman isn’t an especially well-trained fighter. He’s a street brawler who has his go-to moves. When strength is equal, that means he can be bested with a little better technique, which is what Lex was providing to Ultraman.

Even after Krypto disabled the commands though, Ultraman was overpowering Supes. Also Lex isn't a well-trained fighter either so just some counter moves wouldn't best Supes every time if the power was equal. Ultraman looked stronger throughout.

Yeah I think he’ll turn into full-fledged Bizarro and we’ll even get Bizarro World.

Yep wouldn't surprise. Or he becomes the Super/Ultra man of another version of Earth.

 

[Lily Adler]

Did anyone else find it weird on how indifferent Clark and Kara came off to each other? Although it was a quick appearance, I didn't get the impression that they've known each for a long time like in most interpretations.

Given how much emphasis was placed on Clark finding comfort in Jor-el and Lara's message, you'd think that he would want to spend more time with his only living blood relative.

They both lost their home planets. They mourn differently... Kara likes to party, Clark!

 

[Venom 1988]

Did anyone else find it weird on how indifferent Clark and Kara came off to each other? Although it was a quick appearance, I didn't get the impression that they've known each for a long time like in most interpretations.

Given how much emphasis was placed on Clark finding comfort in Jor-el and Lara's message, you'd think that he would want to spend more time with his only living blood relative.

I felt the opposite. He knew her long enough that he was like "Oh yeah, here's my drunk cousin picking up her dog...". I feel if he only just met her, he'd be a bit more forgiving of Krypto's bad manners lol.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Did anyone else find it weird on how indifferent Clark and Kara came off to each other? Although it was a quick appearance, I didn't get the impression that they've known each for a long time like in most interpretations.

Given how much emphasis was placed on Clark finding comfort in Jor-el and Lara's message, you'd think that he would want to spend more time with his only living blood relative.

I suspect she wants to spend way more time getting drunk at red sun worlds and probably doesn't want to talk about Krypton or spend much time with Clark. He's probably giving her as much space as he can. That is my guess.

 

[flickchick85]

Even after Krypto disabled the commands though, Ultraman was overpowering Supes. Also Lex isn't a well-trained fighter either so just some counter moves wouldn't best Supes every time if the power was equal. Ultraman looked stronger throughout.



Yep wouldn't surprise. Or he becomes the Super/Ultra man of another version of Earth.

He did not seem to be overpowering him at all to me at that point, just got a couple of good licks in. Also, Supes tossed Ultraman into the bus with a dislocated shoulder while Ultraman was pinning him down.

It’s unclear here but some versions of Lex are indeed very well-trained fighters because they were trying to make themselves the pinnacle of man. I think it’s safe to say this Lex has studied several martial arts to create his Ultraman fighting regimen at the very least.

 

[The Guard]

I'm torn on Ultraman. On the one hand, there's an obvious set up for Bizarro, what with the whole "being exhiled from Earth to Space" thing. On the other hand...Ultraman, who spent his brief time on Earth as a servant and would almost certainly want the opposite upon an eventual return. Figure Braniac has to be involved in his return either way. Bizarro and Braniac in a sequel?

Superman isn't Captain America or Cyclops. He doesn't lead other heroes by barking orders and telling people what to do.

That's Batman, Wonder Woman or Green Lantern's job. Or maybe Mr. Terrific's.

He leads by setting an example and inspiring. Which is what he did in the movie.

And remember, there are more than a few versions where he doesn't join the League until it's already established. Maybe he's not meant to be the leader of the JL in this incarnation.

 

[Chris B]

Yeah I think he’ll turn into full-fledged Bizarro and we’ll even get Bizarro World.

It was a small nitpick for me that Ultraman didn't have that classic Bizarro look when the mask came off. But yeah, I agree that Gunn set it up perfectly for both of those things to happen eventually.