Superman SPOILER Review Thread (NO TAGS NECESSARY)

[The Guard]

I just sort of assumed it was some kind of mnemonic thing, that Ultraman had been brainwashed into acting a certain way when he heard a trigger code or something.

 

[flickchick85]

Well after 5 viewings I've pinpointed my "bathroom break" moment: the anti-proton river. The only action scene I don't care for in the movie. Ugly to look at and drags on too long imo. The rest of the pocket universe stuff before and after it is gold though.

 

[Lily Adler]

So since we got Donnerverse Krypton, will we get the Phantom Zone being the mirror again?

 

[flickchick85]

So since we got Donnerverse Krypton, will we get the Phantom Zone being the mirror again?

Not quite Donnerverse Krypton. Donnerverse crystal palace Fortress, sure, but the tech and robots are different. And we haven't actually seen Krypton. Hopefully we'll get a good look at it in Supergirl.

I imagine the Phantom Zone would be more Morrison-like here.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Well after 5 viewings I've pinpointed my "bathroom break" moment: the anti-proton river. The only action scene I don't care for in the movie. Ugly to look at and drags on too long imo. The rest of the pocket universe stuff before and after it is gold though.

I actually love that! Think its gorgeous to look at! I find the nano bite suffocation scene much less fun personally.

I time my bathroom break around the time of the 'where's the dog' scene cause I know I can watch the majority of that at home

 

[BobJM]

Well after 5 viewings I've pinpointed my "bathroom break" moment: the anti-proton river. The only action scene I don't care for in the movie. Ugly to look at and drags on too long imo. The rest of the pocket universe stuff before and after it is gold though.

Agreed; it’s the weakest ‘episode’ IMO. But at least it ends on a high note with Superman saving the group from the blackhole.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I loved all the anti-proton river/pocket universe stuff. It was so weird and goofy and unlike your typical big city/world-ending scenario. I can see why it might not work for some fans but I love the zany visuals.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Well after 5 viewings I've pinpointed my "bathroom break" moment: the anti-proton river. The only action scene I don't care for in the movie. Ugly to look at and drags on too long imo. The rest of the pocket universe stuff before and after it is gold though.

Yeah, probably my least favorite part of the film. WIsh they would have re-worked that. The baby as well.

 

[Lily Adler]

Not quite Donnerverse Krypton. Donnerverse crystal palace Fortress, sure, but the tech and robots are different. And we haven't actually seen Krypton. Hopefully we'll get a good look at it in Supergirl.

I imagine the Phantom Zone would be more Morrison-like here.

I figured with the white robes and crystals we were gonna get something similar to Donner's or at least post-Donner inspired Silver Age.

 

[Superark]

Watched it for the third time today. I love it more after each viewing. The pacing works better after every watch as well.

I'm definitely convinced that Gunn is going to revisit the Jor-El message and we are going to find out Brainanc tampered with it. The fact Brainanc was considered for main villain of this film solidifies it for me.

That Pa Kent scene with Clark hits harder every time. Beautifully acted. Originally Pruitt had all of my focus, but Corenswet put in some excellent subtle reactions in this scene when Pa was imparting his wisdom.

I think I hated Kara saying "*****" even more after another viewing. Call me old fashioned, but I hate this kind of talk. I hope she isn't this foul mouthed in her solo film.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Gunn doubled down on the Jor-El message today and was adamant he's not going to change it.

 

[Superark]

Gunn doubled down on the Jor-El message today and was adamant he's not going to change it.

I read his interview with Rolling Stone after your comment.. interesting.

I'll be curious if Gunn sticks with that. It's not like he hasn't lied or changed his mind in the past when discussing certain topics about the DCU. For now, I'll take him at his word.

I don't mind the Els being more cold in this iteration, but I hate the idea of his parents telling Superman to kill whoever stands in his way.

 

[Lily Adler]

Gunn doubled down on the Jor-El message today and was adamant he's not going to change it.

Evil Jor-El is en vogue at the moment. The comics are doing their own attempt at it. I had the same idea, but wanted it as an Elseworlds tale.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Evil Jor-El is en vogue at the moment. The comics are doing their own attempt at it. I had the same idea, but wanted it as an Elseworlds tale.

I’m mixed on evil Jor-El and Lara but I think Gunn could do something interesting with it. If it leads to Brainiac and/or the Eradicator in a satisfying way, then I’ll probably be happy with that. But I also hope it’s not just there to set up the ne next big bad. I think it could lead to an interesting, multi-film journey for Clark and maybe he’s able to somehow reach through time to turn his parents away from a dark path or perhaps learn more about why they sought to do what they did.

I get the criticisms of it, especially with the Omni-Man comparisons but Omni-Man (and all Superman archetypes, good or evil) borrow from Superman so I guess it’s okay to borrow back from them.

 

[Lily Adler]

I’m mixed on evil Jor-El and Lara but I think Gunn could do something interesting with it. If it leads to Brainiac and/or the Eradicator in a satisfying way, then I’ll probably be happy with that. But I also hope it’s not just there to set up the ne next big bad. I think it could lead to an interesting, multi-film journey for Clark and maybe he’s able to somehow reach through time to turn his parents away from a dark path or perhaps learn more about why they sought to do what they did.

I get the criticisms of it, especially with the Omni-Man comparisons but Omni-Man (and all Superman archetypes, good or evil) borrow from Superman so I guess it’s okay to borrow back from them.

Oh Lord the Eradicator is created by his parents to ensure he fulfills the harem.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Oh Lord the Eradicator is created by his parents to ensure he fulfills the harem.

I mean, it would kind of fit. If Jor-El built the Eradicator as some sort of eugenics device to weed out Kal-El’s spawn that he deemed “unworthy” Kryptonians, that would be pretty ****ing evil. And thats kind of what his original purpose was in the comics. Of course, if they go that route, it would be pretty tough to “redeem” the Eradicator down the road… but then, can a guy called “the Eradicator” ever really be in the side of the angels anyway, lol?

The whole “taking many wives” thing is the one thing that bothers me about all of this really. Manly because it can play into harmful stereotypes (and it also makes Kal-El’s parents make it sound like they’re cool with him just enslaving women). I don’t believe that was Gunn’s intention but he probably should have seriously considered those implications. I took that more as an extension of the extraterrestrial, science-driven culture crafted in the Byrne era of Superman (btw, I just learned about some offensive comments Byrne made about immigrants today and I lost a lot of respect I once had for him), with maybe some of the Smallville and Mr. Oz influence. And Gunn probably also wanted to throw in his typical themes of found/chosen family as well.

Anyway, all I can say that I can’t fault anyone for having issues with these changes (or adjustments) to the origin. They may work for some, but not for others, and it’s a shame that they offended some fans. I’m not sure on what side I fall on. But I think, unlike some other live action versions of Superman, these changes to his origin didn’t leave me feeling like Superman himself was changed into someone virtually unrecognizable, and that might be the most important thing. While it may be debatable where his humanity exactly comes from (I would say that the answer is that it’s all of his collective experience), what matters most to me in terms of a Superman story is that he feels like Superman, even if other core characters are changed to suit the new narrative. But obviously that’s just my opinion on this.