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[dark_b]

Why? We really don't know much about his gang. They could end up being serious henchmen...we don't know yet. People need to realize these people are ACTORS and just becaue Kal Penn was in a comedy before SR doesn't mean he will be playing the same type of character in SR as he did in Harold and Kamar. Seth Green is a really funny guy in the comedies he has been in but he was also great and very serious as a computer genious in Enemy of The State.

he is worried because he doesnt know how it will be in the movie .

 

[MatchesMalone]

I hope he's as funny as he was in Harold and Kumar. He was frickin hilarious!

 

[SuperDaniel]

I hope not. The last thing i want is another Otis.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Comparing Kal Penn to Ned Beatty is like comparing a cat to a blue whale.

 

[Venom71]

I think it is funny before Singer got involved most people were saying thatr S:TM and S:II were the best comic book/superhero movies ever..when Singer said he was using them as Vague History it changed to..those movies were terrible campy movies and shouldn't be connected to SR. Flip Flop much people?

 

[SuperDaniel]

I don`t want him to be funny in this movie, thats all. I really don`t think bad guys should be funny, like comediants. Except the Joker but he is very insane.But i don`t think Lex Luthor should be like the Joker. Kal Penn as a Computer genius, yeah! But not some stupid henchman ala Batman from the 60`s and this is what i`m afraid of. I`ll hold my judgement till i see the movie.

 

[dark_b]

I hope he's as funny as he was in Harold and Kumar. He was frickin hilarious!

ok now yo uare joking right?

so you want him to be funny like in harold& kumar or do you want him to act like that?

 

[SuperDaniel]

I think it is funny before Singer got involved most people were saying thatr S:TM and S:II were the best comic book/superhero movies ever..when Singer said he was using them as Vague History it changed to..those movies were terrible campy movies and shouldn't be connected to SR. Flip Flop much people?

They got the Superman chracter really right, the Lois romance was amazingly well done but i do think Lex Luthor wasn`t good. Its a great movie and one of my favorites movies of all time but its not 100% perfect.

 

[dark_b]

I don`t want him to be funny in this movie, thats all. I really don`t think bad guys should be funny, like comediants. Except the Joker but he is very insane.But i don`t think Lex Luthor should be like the Joker. Kal Penn as a Computer genius, yeah! But not some stupid henchman ala Batman from the 60`s and this is what i`m afraid of. I`ll hold my judgement till i see the movie.

if you think that this movie will be anything like batman(60) .

than you think wrong. this was camp ...CAMP. here you will see humor.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Hopefully. But i don`t like Luthor`s gang who goes around Metropolis to cause trouble. I think it`s just stupid.

 

[The Sage]

First of all, I didn`t like Donners interpretation on Lex Luthor, period. That wasn`t and will never be the Lex Luthor i like to see. The Lex Luthor i love is the one loved by people but is pulling the strings behind the scenes. THe Lex Luthor from Superman for all seasons and from Man of Steel. The Lionel Luthor from Smallville. Its the one who is jelous of Superman for thinking people like him more. The one who thinks Superman stole his metropolis, not the one who wants to conquer the world. Just because i don`t agree with your point of view, doesn`t give you the right to think i`m not a fan of Superman or that i`m childish, imateur, just for expressing my anthipathy with some of Singer`s decisions.
Matches Malone, Joker and Lex Luthor are totally diferent characters. You can`t compare Jack Nicholsons portrayal of an insane, crazy character with Lex Luthor. Lex Luthor isn`t insane, crazy, in my opinion. He is egocentrical but he doesn`t thin he is evil. He just is. He doesn`t go around saying, "Look! I`m evil, look", "I`m going to conquer the world!" Thats Brain from Pinky and the Brain, not Lex Luthor.
I just wanted to see the Luthor from the 90`s with LexCorp and all. This is without a doubt, the best version of the character. I`m talking about stories like the Unauthorized Biography of Lex Luthor, i`m talking about Superman for all Seasons. I`m talking about Man of Steel. Those stories are really good. The Lex Luthor who is a greedy billionaire. This is more in tune to what we see nowadays. This is a more realistic version of the character.
I really don`t mind humour but i don`t want Donner campy humor. The Lex Luthor who says "i`m the greatest criminal mind" of our time type of humour.
I don`t like the fact Luthor is a mob boss in this movie. I don`t like the fact he has a gang who goes to cause trouble in metropolis and shooting people. And i don`t like the fact that he has a campy girlfriend.Sorry, folks. Thats just my opinion.

What about Elliott Maggin's Lex Luthor in "Luthor's Gift" or "Last Son of Krypton"? What about the current Lex in the "Up, Up, and Away" arc? What about the Lex who hates Superman because he's an alien and that by saving people, he thinks Superman is destroying the world's ability to save themselves?

Hopefully. But i don`t like Luthor`s gang who goes around Metropolis to cause trouble. I think it`s just stupid.

So you don't like the Legion of Doom, Metallo, Intergang?

 

[SuperDaniel]

What about Elliott Maggin's Lex Luthor in "Luthor's Gift" or "Last Son of Krypton"? What about the current Lex in the "Up, Up, and Away" arc? What about the Lex who hates Superman because he's an alien and that by saving people, he thinks Superman is destroying the world's ability to save themselves?

Never read those but i really don`t like Pre-crisis that much and i don`t read comics anymore. But i actually think thats stupid cause i don`t like the Luthor who loves humans or mankind. I like the Luthor who is greedy and wants more money. Why? Because thats the world we live nowadays.

So you don't like the Legion of Doom, Metallo, Intergang?

I love it in the cartoon, but not in a serious movie. I don`t understand the other mentions. Thats not Lex Luthor. I don`t think Luthor should be like Intergang or Metallo. Duh!

 

[afan]

A keen sense of humor is a symptom of intelligence.

Doesn't it make sense for Lex Luthor to surround himself with people he judges his inferiors; it would serve to reinforce his opinion of himself as superior to the common man.

 

[SuperDaniel]

^^^^And i think this is better shown in the comics from the 90`s. The post-crisis version of Luthor. THe Luthor from animated series, from Lois & Clark, the Lionel Luthor from Smallville, the Luthor from Superman for all seasons.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I`ll try to explain it better the Luthor i like. The way i see, Superman is not just like a hero like any other, who saves people. He is not just fighting for what is right or justice. Superman fights for something more important. He fights to make this world a better place for us to live. He fights for an utopian world, where everyone is happy. He fights to unite us. Superman is a metaphor for this fight. He believes we`re equal. He believes that human has the capacity for good. Superman is very humanitarian. Luthor is the opposite of that. He is greedy and self-centered. He cares only about himself, only about making himself feel better, about the money. Its a more pshycollogical fight instead of a more face-to-face fight, evil vs good. Thats reason why i love post-crisis over pre-crisis. Because we all have Luthor inside of us. He is just not one character who personifies evil. The world is simply not just good vs evil.
THe Luthor i`m getting in this movie and the one we had in Superman the movie is the one who is evil and goes to robb banks, who wants to conquer the world, the one who explodes california. Thats the difference.

 

[ToddIsDead]

My favorite Lex is when he hates Superheros because they hinder mankind's abilities to deal with their situations. He thinks they are a danger to mankind's indepence. And he fears that they may one day over step their bounds and take full control. Kind of like Max Lord without the powers.

 

[SuperDaniel]

And he fears that they may one day over step their bounds and take full control. Kind of like Max Lord without the powers.

To my mind, Lex Luthor doesn`t fear anything. HE is more than that. Lex Luthor is the idea of evil, just like Superman is the idea of good. Thats how the world is today. I don`t like when Superman is just good personified: He just saves people(pre-crisis)and FIGHTS BAD guys. I like when Superman represents the idea of good (Superman for all seasons, Superman peace on earth, kingdom come). The same way i don`t like when Luthor is evil personified or just the bad guy. I like when Luthor represents the idea of evil and thats what makes him better than other villains. Cause we have Luthor moments too. I like it when its more psycollogical. I like it when we`re not sure Luthor is evil because he doesn`t look like one. But inside he is really evil.

 

[skruloos]

Never read those but i really don`t like Pre-crisis that much and i don`t read comics anymore. But i actually think thats stupid cause i don`t like the Luthor who loves humans or mankind. I like the Luthor who is greedy and wants more money. Why? Because thats the world we live nowadays.

Which is exactly the problem with what was Post-Crisis. It was straying too far from the mythic aspect of the character and grounding it in too much reality. It became tedious. It's why the character has slowly been evolving back to his roots, his Pre-Crisis days when he wasn't just a knockoff of the Kingpin (and he shouldn't be since he came first). And the corrupt greedy tycoon? Please. I read enough about those in the news. Superman's villain should be larger than life. What's next? Superman versus Enron?

 

[MatchesMalone]

To my mind, Lex Luthor doesn`t fear anything. HE is more than that. Lex Luthor is the idea of evil, just like Superman is the idea of good. Thats how the world is today. I don`t like when Superman is just good personified

Contradictory.

He just saves people(pre-crisis)and FIGHTS BAD guys. I like when Superman represents the idea of good (Superman for all seasons, Superman peace on earth, kingdom come).

Uh...did you actually read Kingdom Come? Superman, in that story, is an ineffectual world leader who causes a metaphorical Armageddon through indecision and loss of his own sense of humanity.

The same way i don`t like when Luthor is evil personified or just the bad guy. I like when Luthor represents the idea of evil

That's what personification means, almost exactly.

and thats what makes him better than other villains. Cause we have Luthor moments too. I like it when its more psycollogical. I like it when we`re not sure Luthor is evil because he doesn`t look like one. But inside he is really evil.

So, you like Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville. To me, that entire story is completely devoid of interest or even the slightest bit of real emotion. It's all simply teenage angst.

It sounds like what you want are Marvel characters.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Which is exactly the problem with what was Post-Crisis. It was straying too far from the mythic aspect of the character and grounding it in too much reality. It became tedious. It's why the character has slowly been evolving back to his roots, his Pre-Crisis days when he wasn't just a knockoff of the Kingpin (and he shouldn't be since he came first). And the corrupt greedy tycoon? Please. I read enough about those in the news. Superman's villain should be larger than life. What's next? Superman versus Enron?

They already made Lex President. Yawn.

I miss the inventor Lex, the criminal Lex. The FUN Lex.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Which is exactly the problem with what was Post-Crisis. It was straying too far from the mythic aspect of the character and grounding it in too much reality. It became tedious. It's why the character has slowly been evolving back to his roots, his Pre-Crisis days when he wasn't just a knockoff of the Kingpin (and he shouldn't be since he came first). And the corrupt greedy tycoon? Please. I read enough about those in the news. Superman's villain should be larger than life. What's next? Superman versus Enron?

And how exactely the 90`s Luthor isn`t larger than life? He is much more a complex character than the "i am evil" of pre-crisis. In pre-crisis, things were just 1 dimensional. Thats why it changed. For the better. But the fact writers can`t write good stories its not the characters fault. How about Superman for all seasons? That single story alone is better then every story of pre-crisis excluding "whatever happened to the man of tomorrow".

 

[MatchesMalone]

And how exactely the 90`s Luthor isn`t larger than life? He is much more a complex character than the "i am evil" of pre-crisis. In pre-crisis, things were just 1 dimensional. Thats why it changed. For the better. But the fact writers can`t write good stories its not the characters fault. How about Superman for all seasons? That single story alone is better then every story of pre-crisis excluding "whatever happened to the man of tomorrow".

And Lex is FUNNY in that story! He's also a blustery fool. Same in Kingdom Come.

What story from the 90's showed Lex as a complex personality? The one where he dies and then his son shows up? Then his son is really him cloned? Wow, how original *cough*Marvel*cough*. Where was he written with complexity? With real emotion?

For All Seasons. Kingdom Come. Birthright. All of these have something in common. Lex is slightly mad, sadistic, and prone to humor. Regardless of the trappings of his job or station in life.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Matches, i don`t like when Superman is just a bland 1 dimensional character who just fights bad guys and saves people. I like when Superman represents the idea of good inside all of us. The way it was shown in Superman for all seasons. Why be a Superman if you can`t save everybody? Why? Because he wants to make the world a better place. Because he loves humans. Earth is his new home and he doesn`t want the same thing that happened to Krypton. Thats what makes him larger than life. He is not just good. He represents the idea of good. This isn`t Marvel. I don`t like when Superman goes to have therapeutic sessions, like it was shown in some histories of post-crisis or is unsure of himself.

The same thing goes for Luthor. I don`t like when he is just evil personified. He is just a bad guy who robbs banks and cause trouble so in the end of the movie, Luthor is back in jail again. For a 2 hour movie, i want Luthor to represent the idea of evil, not just be evil. Superman for all seasons is a great comic because its outside continuity and it feels like watching a movie. Its a simple and magnificent story.

 

[Showtime]

I would have actually liked to see Superman return to find out that Lex is running for President and is now loved by all. That would blow his mind.

 

[SuperDaniel]

And Lex is FUNNY in that story! He's also a blustery fool. Same in Kingdom Come.

Where Lex is funny in the story? When he brainwashed that fan of Superman as a part of his plan to show Superman can`t save every life? When he creates the Luthor robots to make people thing we don`t need Superman?