The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk)

[DoomsdayApex]

Don't blame the executives. If it sucks, it's all on the Nolan brothers and Goyer.

Except this ending is sort of what executives would want. It's safe and pleases everyone... but hardcore fans.

To me, it does sound like executive power. It would also explain why Nolan all the sudden opted out of Batman franchise completely.

 

[redbirds]

It is. Try to use

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I used the strike on accident, but then when I tried going back to edit it, all my buttons were not usable anymore. So, I had to delete my post and start over lol

 

[kvz5]

Quite frankly, this sounds like an ending that was tampered with by the executives.

I'm assuming, of course.

That is my impression. It contradicts the reports we're hearing about [BLACKOUT]hard and definite endings.[/BLACKOUT]

The one thing that bothers me about this ending isn't

[BLACKOUT]the already infamous "cafe scene".[/BLACKOUT]

It's [BLACKOUT]the implication of Blake beholding the batsuit.[/BLACKOUT]

Same. It's not my preference but I've grown to accept the first part. It's really only the 2nd part that I'm not fond of at this point when I haven't seen the movie yet. Opinions are subject to change of course post-viewing.

 

[Darthhawkeye]

This was written in another forum but sums up exactly what I think:

To me everyone is looking all wrong . This isn't about John Blake nor do I think Nolan is trying to set up a sequel ( Though WB could do so if they wanted) But it is abot the legacy Brucy leaves ... I do think WB will reboot rather than create a new John Blake franchise

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Except this ending is sort of what executives would want. It's safe and pleases everyone... but hardcore fans.

To me, it does sound like executive power. It would also explain why Nolan all the sudden opted out of Batman franchise completely.

Wasn't there something recently that Nolan is going to not even produce the next film like Robinov wanted?

 

[serendipity]

You know, it makes sense [BLACKOUT]that Goyer and Nolan formed this ending in an LA diner.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[redfirebird2008]

Except this ending is sort of what executives would want. It's safe and pleases everyone... but hardcore fans.

To me, it does sound like executive power. It would also explain why Nolan all the sudden opted out of Batman franchise completely.

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No, more like Nolan has better things to do with his career than keep making Batman movies. He didn't want to end it with the cliffhanger of TDK even though I think he should have. But "redbirds" makes a valid point about Bruce wanting to move on with his life. Nolan's Batman has never wanted or accepted the notion of being Batman forever. Him retiring and finding happiness actually fits in with Bruce's behavior in the first two films. My only problem with this ending is the stuff with JGL. Really don't like the fact that they are leaving it open for a Batman Beyond spinoff with someone other than Bruce Wayne as Batman.

 

[Batman jr.]

Then, I don't see the point of people who've seen it

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raving, clapping, almost dying in peace about the ending

Because it all sounds... not so great IMHO.

 

[redbirds]

That is my impression. It contradicts the reports we're hearing about [BLACKOUT]hard and definite endings.[/BLACKOUT]



Same. It's not my preference but I've grown to accept the first part. It's really only the 2nd part that I'm not fond of at this point when I haven't seen the movie yet. Opinions are subject to change of course post-viewing.

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It is definitely an ending to Bruce Waynes story though even with this ending

 

[ImAlwaysAngry]

I think studio execs get a bad rep sometimes when they don't deserve it. I've heard about some pretty ridiculous things that directors wanted to do that the suits pulled them away from, and the movies were better for it.

Ultimately you're making a huge summer tent pole and millions of dollars have been invested in you. That's the ball game. You gotta figure out how to make it work.

I can sit here and blame the studio for Spider-Man 3, but the fact is yeah, they shoehorned Venom in, but it was still incumbent upon Raimi to tell a compelling story. Or at least a coherent one.

The studio may push certain whats, but the how is always up to the guy behind the lens.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

That is my impression. It contradicts the reports we're hearing about [BLACKOUT]hard and definite endings.[/BLACKOUT]

Yeah, and the rumors circulating [blackout]that executives were nervous about the ending.[/blackout] Granted, nothing was ever confirmed but it would make sense.

 

[kvz5]

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No, more like Nolan has better things to do with his career than keep making Batman movies. He didn't want to end it with the cliffhanger of TDK even though I think he should have. But "redbirds" makes a valid point about Bruce wanting to move on with his life. Nolan's Batman has never wanted or accepted the notion of being Batman forever. Him retiring and finding happiness actually fits in with Bruce's behavior in the first two films. My only problem with this ending is the stuff with JGL. Really don't like the fact that they are leaving it open for a Batman Beyond spinoff with someone other than Bruce Wayne as Batman.

I think I would've been fine had it ended with

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just Bruce living in peace. Wasn't the point of Bruce's Batman is that there should be a time when Gotham can stand on their own two feet and they won't need Batman anymore? If they wanted the last shot to be Batman, then why not just show the Batcave with the Batsuit or maybe a statue of Batman? That's more of a definite ending to me.

 

[Street Vendor]

I think the reason Nolan doesn't want to do another Batman is because he doesn't want to get involved with the eventual JLA franchise, and all of the other comic book stuff that WB would throw his way if he stayed. I also think the fact that

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from everything we've heard, JGL's character is very well written and acted, and I'm sure he was conceived by the Nolan's and Goyer from the beginning. I'll reserve judgement on how this ending works until I see the movie.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Then, I don't see the point of people who've seen it

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raving, clapping, almost dying in peace about the ending

Because it all sounds... not so great IMHO.

Hey, if they wanted [blackout]happy, Disney, fairy-tale ending, the cinematic ending equivalent of a Justin Bieber or a Carly Rae Jepsen song after how depressing and scary the previous moments of the film were...well, I guess they got it.[/blackout]

 

[ImAlwaysAngry]

I'm pretty sure if Nolan wanted to

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kill Bruce,

the studio would let him. They're gonna do another regardless.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Wasn't there something recently that Nolan is going to not even produce the next film like Robinov wanted?

Yes.

Nolan publicly stated that he was done with Batman (all involvement with the character). Now, keep in mind, it could just be that Nolan wants to move on, and/or doesn't agree Robinov, but a red flag certainly popped up when I heard that Nolan wanted nothing more to do with Batman after being declared the 'Godfather' for the franchise for months.

 

[kvz5]

So I'm guessing this is exactly what Kris Tapley heard.

 

[lililatigresse]

Then, I don't see the point of people who've seen it

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raving, clapping, almost dying in peace about the ending

Because it all sounds... not so great IMHO.

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First, GA would be sad about Bruce, all he had to endure and the sacrifice he made, then they will be happy to see he's happy now and finally, will be excited about the cliffhanger. Ta da!!! Best ending ever!

 

[DoomsdayApex]

So I'm guessing this is exactly what Kris Tapley heard.

No wonder he freaked out.

 

[ImAlwaysAngry]

I just don't see the suits telling Nolan no about much, when they know they're just gonna start over again regardless. I think all they wanted from him was for him to shepherd the future projects.

The fact is, Nolan's probably the wrong guy for that anyhow. His sensibilities are good for Batman, but I'm interested to see Man of Steel, and I can't imagine Nolan going near Green Lantern with a ten foot pole.

They wanted Nolan cause he'd made them a bunch of money and been a critical success.

If anything, I'd wager his experience producing Man of Steel put him off moving forward, more than any studio interference on TDKR.

 

[Street Vendor]

But these theories have been circulating on these boards since December. Is anyone really surprised? I was half expecting something like this.

 

[redfirebird2008]

No wonder he freaked out.

Indeed. It's frustrating that Nolan was able to give us such great "fanboy" moments at the end of BB/TDK and apparently the end of this one will be extremely divisive for fans. I bet the general audience and critics will be OK with it though. None of them are as attached to the notion of [BLACKOUT]Bruce Wayne being the only Batman[/BLACKOUT] as some of us are.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

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No, more like Nolan has better things to do with his career than keep making Batman movies. He didn't want to end it with the cliffhanger of TDK even though I think he should have. But "redbirds" makes a valid point about Bruce wanting to move on with his life. Nolan's Batman has never wanted or accepted the notion of being Batman forever. Him retiring and finding happiness actually fits in with Bruce's behavior in the first two films. My only problem with this ending is the stuff with JGL. Really don't like the fact that they are leaving it open for a Batman Beyond spinoff with someone other than Bruce Wayne as Batman.

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I don't have a problem with Bruce finding peace either. In fact, I'm a supporter of it. The man has gone through so much **** that not giving him one legitimate 'peaceful' ending to his journey is selfish of the writers and filmmakers. The JGL piece, however, reeks of studio bull****.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I review me (for kvz5 too)

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November 29, 2011

I hope Bruce Wayne/Batman doesn't fake his death at the end of TDKR. Either kill them off, or let them live. Spoiler for the movie The Illusionist: No The Illusionist ending here.

February 22, 2012:

The Illusionist ending.

That would be humorous, considering Nolan directed the superior film in The Prestige.

I remember when we first saw the set pics of Anne with the luggage, I imagined an ending like in Inception where a sad Selina leaves Gotham for good after all the chaos and then it cuts to her in some unknown location approaching a man with his back turned from the camera and then we eventually see that it's Bruce (who we were made to assume was dead). All with Zimmer's "Time" playing in the background.

I wasn't thinking of The Illusionist's ending but someone pointed out the similarities.

ETA: FWIW I don't think Bruce will end up with Selina (or even Talia).

June 11, 2012

I don't get too caught up on the ending. If it's to be as he said it is, his last Batman, capping off of a trilogy, anything is fair game to me. Death. Revealing of his secret to the public. Some crazy scenario out of the ending of The Dark Knight Returns. Whatever, so long as it ends the Bruce Wayne/Batman story as has been said. Though I think I've said in the past a retread of The Illusionist's ending doesn't thrill me.

 

[Mysteryman]

It IS a definite ending, if true .
It just isnt the definite ending others wanted .
Eveyody has their own view what "definite ' means .