The Dark Knight Rises TDKR Trailer #3 debuting in The AVENGERS (May 4) - Part 1

[BatLobster]

Fact: The Avengers appeals to a more Shawarma type of audience, while TDKR appeals to the more falafel type.

 

[Micromind]

What "sophisticated" crowd is this?


The way some of you guys talk, should I expect to walk into a theater on July 20th packed full of professors and WASPs dressed in three-piece suits - complete with monocles and pipes? Will they nod in unison at all of the film's "deep" moments, adding polite "Hmm's" as they stroke their chins? Can I expect to be able to hear a pin drop, as everybody sits in complete silent attention for two hours?

But, when I watched Inception in threatres, the crowd you just described was everywhere.

 

[batbax]

But, when I watched Inception in threatres, the crowd you just described was everywhere.

Correct.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'll be there with a fine red and a Cuban cigar. I fear you've taken what I implied a tad out of context, friend. Of course if one goes to a viewing of the avengers and a viewing of tdkr they'll see a somewhat similar conglomerate. (except I disagree a tad on the children part although given any one or two random viewings one could find a fair share of children at both). My point was in the overall scheme, tdkr will appeal to a different subset of viewer. Just look at blobsters example. His girlfriend was much more interested in tdkr. Probably because she's rather educated and doesn't spend an inordinate amount if time reading comic books. In their surface the two films will attract people with different mentalities is all I'm getting at. If shown just the trailer for the two films knowing nothing else, id say an older, more discerning audience would be interested in tdkr. Of course all groups of people will see both. I'm speaking strictly in what part of humanity each film appeals to. That's what I meant by "normie". Someone who likes an emotionally engrossing movie which makes them think a tad, and isnt so emotionally invested in tge comic side of things.No offense intended to anyone, just how I see it.

It doesn't matter. The "comic basement dwellers" are a fringe group that doesn't make up even 5% of the total gross. The bulk of the money comes from the "normies" and judging by how it's blown up, they like it very much.

 

[Boom]

I'll be there with a fine red and a Cuban cigar. I fear you've taken what I implied a tad out of context, friend. Of course if one goes to a viewing of the avengers and a viewing of tdkr they'll see a somewhat similar conglomerate. (except I disagree a tad on the children part although given any one or two random viewings one could find a fair share of children at both). My point was in the overall scheme, tdkr will appeal to a different subset of viewer. Just look at blobsters example. His girlfriend was much more interested in tdkr. Probably because she's rather educated and doesn't spend an inordinate amount if time reading comic books. In their surface the two films will attract people with different mentalities is all I'm getting at. If shown just the trailer for the two films knowing nothing else, id say an older, more discerning audience would be interested in tdkr. Of course all groups of people will see both. I'm speaking strictly in what part of humanity each film appeals to. That's what I meant by "normie". Someone who likes an emotionally engrossing movie which makes them think a tad. No offense intended to anyone, just how I see it.

I read into exactly what you wrote. My apologies if I missed an implied meaning.

I'm 24 years old, have a college education, and like to consider myself an intelligent adult. I enjoyed the hell out of The Avengers. Am I a "basement dweller," or in any way less educated because I did so? You're making a blanket statement in suggesting that The Avengers caters to a "basement dwelling demographic," and that's what's rubbing me the wrong way. Older and intelligent people can enjoy these movies too.

As for blobster's example, I don't doubt that his girlfriend feels that way. But she's one person amongst millions who are going to see this film. As I said before, I saw plenty of children under 13 at my TDK viewings. I saw teenagers that would rather text for two hours than be immersed in the film. I saw a wide variety of people, and I expect that kind of audience to carry over to this film.

The only times I have seen a movie with what could be considered a "sophisticated" audience would be for independent films like The Artist or Tinker Tailor (to cite recent examples). Not for summer blockbusters - because of the simple fact that they cater to a wider variety of demographics. That's not to say that this film won't cater to thoughtful individuals, but I sincerely think you're overestimating the kind of audience you're going to see on July 20th.

I, for one, fully expect to see the same kids and talking teenagers I saw four years ago with TDK, two hours ago with The Avengers, and with just about every other blockbuster film I have seen in my entire life.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Funny he talks about sophisticated film watchers when the most sophisticated of them all, the NY critics, absolutely despise Nolan.

 

[batbax]

It doesn't matter. The "comic basement dwellers" are a fringe group that doesn't make up even 5% of the total gross. The bulk of the money comes from the "normies" and judging by how it's blown up, they like it very much.

You apparently haven't read a word I've written, friend. I already stated that of course all subsets will see both, I'm not talking about box office numbers, I'm talking about what groups each film appeals to more, and mostly what emotional (or in the avengers case non emotional) state each appeals too,I apologize if I Inferred I was speaking of numbers or monetary gain.

 

[batbax]

You guys r getting bent out of shape from simple lack of comprehension. In my opinion, and one u feel strongly about, each film appeals to a different subset of individuals. OBVIOUSLY there's a crossover. And boom I apologize if I offended you. Again, perhaps my use of "basement dwellers" was a tad harsh or unnecessary.. Was trying to use a generality to get a point across.

 

[Boom]

You guys r getting bent out of shape from simple lack of comprehension. In my opinion, and one u feel strongly about, each film appeals to a different subset of individuals. OBVIOUSLY there's a crossover. And boom I apologize if I offended you. Again, perhaps my use of "basement dwellers" was a tad harsh or unnecessary.. Was trying to use a generality to get a point across.

I'm perfectly calm, I promise you .

The only thing I can agree with you on is the suggestion that The Avengers is more child-friendly than TDKR. I can agree with that. Doesn't change the fact that kids will still flock to see this movie. It's Batman, after all.

But this "basement dweller" demographic vs. "sophisticated normie" demographic? I'm sorry, but I can't disagree enough. I've seen too many blockbuster films to know what to expect. That kind of audience division simply does not exist for films like these. At least none that I have seen. For that to happen, I'd have to be watching There Will Be Blood with Daniel Plainview running around in a batsuit, or a porno featuring Batman and Catwoman. Now that latter example - that would be honing in on the "basement dwelling" crowd .

 

[Doc Holliday]

Fact: The Avengers appeals to a more Shawarma type of audience, while TDKR appeals to the more falafel type.

Trav--yes. Going in the sig.

OT: Consider the amount of audible praise people have reported the TDKR trailer getting when they go to see The Avengers. Clearly it's more than a small crossover in demographics in those two movies. Just about everyone I talk to is excited for TDKR to some extent.

 

[lililatigresse]

Funny he talks about sophisticated film watchers when the most sophisticated of them all, the NY critics, absolutely despise Nolan.

Those are faux sophisticated and not even true snob. People who work in the film industry and really think that The Artist is a great film and deserves awards are frauds. They should not work for the film industry. Seriously, it's not a surprise American cinema is so weak now with such superficial persons judging it.

 

[regwec]

The way some of you guys talk, should I expect to walk into a theater on July 20th packed full of professors and WASPs dressed in three-piece suits - complete with monocles and pipes? Will they nod in unison at all of the film's "deep" moments, adding polite "Hmm's" as they stroke their chins? Can I expect to be able to hear a pin drop, as everybody sits in complete silent attention for two hours?

After a private screening, Regwec and associates discuss the merits of 'The Dark Knight' over a passable XO.

 

[munchie64]

After a private screening, Regwec and associates discuss the merits of 'The Dark Knight' over a passable XO.

 

[Keyser Soze]

To play devil's advocate and defend what batbax is saying here, it doesn't necessarily need to be taken as a judgement that people who like The Avengers are less sophisticated. While The Dark Knight is still my favourite superhero film, I'd definitely rank The Avengers up there in that elite top tier of the greatest superhero films, and I'd say it's an intelligent, character-driven film. In terms of the films themselves, I'd say both this and The Dark Knight Rises can appeal to intelligent, literate adult audiences, as well as having wider popcorn appeal.

But in terms of how the films are ADVERTISED... The Dark Knight Rises just released a trailer that seems like it would better suit an Oscar-baiting prestige picture. They are going for something epic in scope, but really focusing on the gravitas and dramatic resonance. They seem to be marketing themselves as an adult drama, and as such appealing to an audience that prefers those kind of movies. On the other hand, I think the trailers let The Avengers down. They were focused heavily on action, CGI money shots and the odd cheesy one-liner. Many of the trailers seemed tailored to a Transformers audience. But the film itself ended up being much better than the popcorn blockbuster the trailers suggested.

 

[The Morningstar]

The Avengers trailers worked just fine, considering it's record breaking box office. And they weren't really like Transformers, the Avengers trailers were full of character moments, not just action and someone screaming "OPTIMUSSSSSSSS!"

 

[Keyser Soze]

The Avengers trailers worked just fine, considering it's record breaking box office. And they weren't really like Transformers, the Avengers trailers were full of character moments, not just action and someone screaming "OPTIMUSSSSSSSS!"

Good point. All things considered, the trailers were probably very well-advised, considering the massive box office.

Also, I do disagree with batbax's assertions that "basement dwellers" will like The Avengers and "normies" will like The Dark Knight Rises. For a film to get the kind of box office The Avengers did, it needs to appeal to a much wider demographic than a geeky hardcore. And it's very much a cinematic movie, rewarding as a film on its own merits, rather than relying on comic book fan-service.

 

[Gianakin_]

The Avengers trailers did not do them justice. The movie itself is in every conceivable way better than what the trailers made it out to be.

 

[film4life]

The Avengers trailers did not do them justice. The movie itself is in every conceivable way better than what the trailers made it out to be.

I hope the same for TDKR.

 

[The Morningstar]

Of course, but the trailers advertised the spectacle more. They still had character moments, but they focused on the action. It's obviously worked.

Also the idea that Avengers only appeals to "basement dwellers" (ironic coming from an obvious Batman fanatic) is a fallacy. A film doesn't make 650 million dollars in 10 days because of fanboys.

 

[Gianakin_]

Of course, but the trailers advertised the spectacle more. They still had character moments, but they focused on the action. It's obviously worked.

I'm sorry, are we talking BO numbers or personal impressions? If it's the former, then no comment, I don't care about that stuff. If it's the latter, then I stand by my opinion, the trailers made the movie look like a better version of Transformers and absolutely nothing more. They showed none of the movie's heart, which is 80% what made me love it.

 

[Gianakin_]

I hope the same for TDKR.

TDKR trailers underplayed the action and mostly showed the drama and the heart. The Avengers trailers did the exact opposite.

Difference is, imo at least, that you can always expect action in a superhero movie. The question is, will it deliver on other fronts? That's where TDKR trailers win for me.

 

[The Morningstar]

I'm sorry, are we talking BO numbers or personal impressions? If it's the former, then no comment, I don't care about that stuff. If it's the latter, then I stand by my opinion, the trailers made the movie look like a better version of Transformers and absolutely nothing more. They showed none of the movie's heart, which is 80% what made me love it.

It may not have shown the movies heart, but it showed the characters. The first half of the last trailer had 4 little character segments. Cap in the gym beating the crap out of the punching bag. Ruffalo hiding out in India being approached by SHIELD. Thor landing on the jet and talking to Fury. Stark up in his penthouse acting snarky. Then the second half of the trailer turned into an action reel.

To me that was a clear indication that the film would be more character driven.

 

[Gianakin_]

It may not have shown the movies heart, but it showed the characters. The first half of the last trailer had 4 little character segments. Cap in the gym beating the crap out of the punching bag. Ruffalo hiding out in India being approached by SHIELD. Thor landing on the jet and talking to Fury. Stark up in his penthouse acting snarky. Then the second half of the trailer turned into an action reel.

To me that was a clear indication that the film would be more character driven.

Yeah, ok. I've seen the characters in their solo movies, that's nothing new to me. The whole bet the Avengers set out to win (and it did) was how to bring them together, so no s**t it was gonna be character driven in principle. That doesn't mean it would be good. A movie with a heart has more chances to win me over. And it did.

 

[BatLobster]

As for blobster's example, I don't doubt that his girlfriend feels that way. But she's one person amongst millions who are going to see this film. As I said before, I saw plenty of children under 13 at my TDK viewings. I saw teenagers that would rather text for two hours than be immersed in the film. I saw a wide variety of people, and I expect that kind of audience to carry over to this film.

Yup, I just threw that out there for conversation's sake. In no way was I trying to imply that she speaks for the entire female 18-24 demographic. She could be 1 out of 20, 1 out of 200, I have no idea.

 

[mackblack01]

Fact: The Avengers appeals to a more Shawarma type of audience, while TDKR appeals to the more falafel type.

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