The Flash Teddy Sears IS Jay Garrick

Maybe Jay is Jay. But he's been corrupted by the darkside of the speedforce becoming Zoom and...I don't know. Imma just watch the series and find out when I find out. Speculating is hard. :funny:

Forreal. This whole thing is a headache.
 
If the reveal is awesome, and makes logical sense it will be one of the great mysteries. But if they fudge it, or make it too close to last season, it is will all be just one big eyeroll.

I got over the "face swap" thing last season. I didn't like it, but I made peace with it because Wells was so terrific. If they do the same thing again, it will just be weak sauce imo.
 
I don't think there's going to be any face swap as such this season. But the E2 version of Jay could have been replaced by a double - either the E1 version was given speed, or it could be a doppleganger from another earth.

Or the person who has operated as the Flash on E2 for the past 2 years was never Jay Garrick at all but Hunter Zolomon all along, and that's the only person Wells ever met.
 
My stupid guess? Jay Garrick and Hunter Zolomon are twins on earth-2. But only one of them was born on Earth-1. The other died in childbirth, or something weird. Zoom kidnapped Garrick and sent Zolomon to Earth-1.
 
I don't think there's going to be any face swap as such this season. But the E2 version of Jay could have been replaced by a double - either the E1 version was given speed, or it could be a doppleganger from another earth.

Or the person who has operated as the Flash on E2 for the past 2 years was never Jay Garrick at all but Hunter Zolomon all along, and that's the only person Wells ever met.
That right there is basically what happened in the first season. It is basically a face swap. The person you thought was someone, isn't.
 
That right there is basically what happened in the first season. It is basically a face swap. The person you thought was someone, isn't.


Well when you consider Arrow has the main villain wanting to destroy Star city 4 years in a row ... if the Flash only repeats themselves once we might be lucky.
 
Well when you consider Arrow has the main villain wanting to destroy Star city 4 years in a row ... if the Flash only repeats themselves once we might be lucky.
Arrow having crappy plots does not absolve the Flash from anything.
 
That right there is basically what happened in the first season. It is basically a face swap. The person you thought was someone, isn't.

So if someone knocked you out and held you captive and pretended to be you, that would be a face swap?

Or if someone steals your identity, that's a face swap? So in Amazing Spider-Man, when Peter visits Oscorp and takes someone's ID badge and pretends to be Rodrigo Guevara, and the real one is escorted out, he's swapped faces with him?
 
So if someone knocked you out and held you captive and pretended to be you, that would be a face swap?

Or if someone steals your identity, that's a face swap? So in Amazing Spider-Man, when Peter visits Oscorp and takes someone's ID badge and pretends to be Rodrigo Guevara, and the real one is escorted out, he's swapped faces with him?
What I mean by face swap is that you take a character's identity (in this case Eobard Thawne), and imprint it on a face that "isn't their own" (Wells). And this leads to a "hero" being bad.

Look at how Team Flash look at the image of Wells. They see him as the Reverse Flash. Far more then Thawne. If what we have here is another mentor of Barry whose face is actually that of his enemy, it is the same idea. Just because we have a bunch of "twins" or different versions from different worlds does not change the concept. Time travel versus different worlds. Same result.

Wells is not Wells. He is the face of the Reverse Flash.

Jay is not Jay. He is the face of Zoom.

This is made worse if the actual face of Jay Garrick is something else.
 
Just got this from CBR's face book.

I've also put this in dark ravens thread.






















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Is Jay bad news?




Is "Flash's" Man in the Iron Mask Harboring a Dark Secret About Jay Garrick?
"Escape from Earth-2" presented whole new set of characters to theorize about, including the mysterious masked man imprisoned by Zoom.

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SPOILER WARNING: The following contains major spoilers for this week's episode of "The Flash," "Escape from Earth-2."

The arrival of Earth-2's Jay Garrick (Teddy Sears) in the final moments of the second season's premiere added a new wrinkle to "The Flash." His arrival introduced a seasoned speedster to the show, one who knew more about the Speed Force and how to harness it than Barry Allen. Though the team was initially leery of his motivations, he earned their trust -- and a little more than just trust from Cailtin Snow -- but after the events of this week's episode, "Escape From Earth-2," it appears that Jay may have been lying to Team Flash all along.


The previous episode saw Barry and Cisco head to Earth-2 with Harrison Wells in order to rescue Wells' daughter, Jesse Quick, from Zoom's clutches. Last episode, the three were successful in their quest and returned to Earth-1 with Jesse. However, the victory proved short-lived as Jay Garrick presumably met an untimely demise when Zoom's clawed hand shot through the portal -- and through Jay's chest -- pulling him back to Earth-2 just as the breach closed. While we'll have to wait until next week to see if Jay somehow managed to survive, what happened earlier in the episode might be even more important than what happened at the climax.


RELATED: Place Your Bets: Who is Zoom, "The Flash's" Terrifying New Nemesis?


While attempting to save Jesse, Earth-1's Barry Allen was taken captive by Zoom and imprisoned alongside her and a mysterious man in an iron mask. Unable to speak, the masked man could only tap on his glass prison. Barry eventually realized he was spelling something out using a 5x5 tap code: J-A-Y. Barry assumed he was asking about Jay Garrick, but the man appeared upset when he learned Jay was safe on Earth-1. The curious reaction poses a potentially game-changing question: Is it possible the man in the mask is the real Earth-2 Jay Garrick, and that the person helping Team Flash has been an impostor all along?


Below, we present several theories based on the assumption that the man in the iron mask is some version of Jay Garrick. For the sake of our argument, we're starting from the stance that the Jay who first arrived on Earth-1 is harboring some kind of dark secret beyond losing access to the Speed Force.





Question #1: Who is the Man in the Iron Mask?
The man in the iron mask tapped out three letters: J-A-Y. While Barry thought the masked man was asking if Jay was OK, when he explained that he was safe back on Earth-1 the man in the mask became distraught, frantically shaking his head back and forth. Why would Jay being safe be a bad thing? The most logical theory is that the man in the mask is the real Jay Garrick from Earth-2. He could be upset because the man claiming to be Jay on Earth-1 is an impostor. If that's true, the real Jay might still have his speed, and Zoom is holding him hostage until he's able to devise a way to steal it.


Question #2: Who is Jay Garrick?
When Jay Garrick arrived on Earth-1, he had no speed and no trace of the Speed Force in his cells, but he knew everything there was to know about Team Flash and eventually taught Barry a new way to use his powers. All of these signals were initially red flags for Barry not to trust him. If this Jay is an impostor, his true identity could be one of the following characters from "Flash" comic lore:

  • Earth-2 Edward Clariss/The Rival
  • Earth-2 Hunter Zolomon
  • Earth-2 Everyman
  • Earth-3 Jay Garrick


Earth-2 Edward Clariss/The Rival
In the comics, Earth-2 Edward Clariss was a scientist who became obsessed with Jay Garrick's The Flash. Clariss was so desperate to become a speedster, he created a speed serum called Velocity 9. Its effects were temporary, but they gave Clariss the speed he so desperately desired, and he used his new powers to become a villain who went by the name "The Rival." Though there are some differences, this follows the track Jay Garrick has been on since he arrived on Earth-1: He arrived with no speed, he was an expert in The Flash's abilities, and he convinced Caitlin to create a stable version of Velocity 6, which she named Velocity 9, which is too great acoincidence not to mention. Soon after Velocity 9 was complete and injected into Jay's system, he was conveniently pulled back to Earth-2. Because Zoom abducted him, the illusion was complete and everyone would think Jay died a hero.


Earth-2 Hunter Zolomon
When Jay wanted to show Caitlin his Earth-1 double, he showed her a man named Hunter Zolomon. Asked why he wasn't named Jay Garrick, Jay explained that Zolomon was adopted on this Earth and thus had a different name. In the comics, Zolomon was friends with the Wally West version of The Flash, though they eventually became bitter enemies and Zolomon took on the name Zoom. After the events of last episode, it stands to reason that Earth-2 Jay's real name may very well be Hunter Zolomon/Zoom, and we simply haven't met Jay Garrick yet. Could Zoom be Earth-2's Garrick, and the man in the mask be the real Earth-1 Garrick?


Earth-2 Everyman
The metahuman named "Everyman" appeared on Earth-1 in "The Flash" Season 1, Episode 19. He could morph into anyone he wanted to be just by touching their skin. Earth-1's Hannibal Bates/Everyman was killed by Joe West, but that doesn't mean he's not alive and morphing on Earth-2. What if Zoom used Everyman to travel to Earth-1 to pretend to be Jay Garrick so Team Flash could create Velocity 9? If Zoom was also suffering from the effects of Velocity 6, he would want to use Velocity 9 to boost his speed without any damaging effects. This theory was previously posited by Jason Inman on The Flash Podcast this week, and seems to hold some weight.


Earth-3 Jay Garrick
If the man under the mask is Earth-2 Jay Garrick, and Earth-1 Jay Garrick is actually the man who goes by the adoptive name of Hunter Zolomon, could the impostor actually be Earth-3's Jay Garrick? When Barry, Cisco and Wells entered the portal they saw characters and heroes from other earths -- including Supergirl. What if there exists a third Jay who is an evil incarnation Jay Garrick from from Earth-3? In the comics, Earth-3 was created in the wake of "Infinite Crisis" and is the home of the Crime Society, the evil version of the Justice Society. That means the impostor could be Johnny Quick, the villainous speedster from that Earth.
"The Flash" airs Tuesdays at 8 p.m. on The CW and stars Grant Gustin, Jesse L. Martin, CandicePatton, Carlos Valdes, Tom Cavanagh and Danielle Panabaker.


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lol ok, so while we're all still processing this. I just got this via E-mail.

"The Flash" Unmasks Zoom, Reveals His True Identity



SPOILERS! In "King Shark," the latest episode of "The Flash," Zoom revealed his true identity.

Read it now on CBR...

SPOILER WARNING: This article contains major spoilers for "King Shark," the latest episode of "The Flash."
Zoom revealed himself to be Jay Garrick in "King Shark."​

The mystery of Zoom's identity has finally been solved.

In "King Shark," the latest episode of "The Flash," Zoom revealed his true identity as Jay Garrick.

At the close of the episode, the show flashed to Zoom's lair. Zoom walked into frame holding Jay's body, which appears limp and lifeless, and dumped him to the ground as the man in the metal mask looked on in horror. Zoom then pulled his mask off, only to reveal... Jay Garrickunderneath.


RELATED: Is "Flash's" Man in the Iron Mask Harboring a Dark Secret About Jay Garrick?


Of course, that raises many more questions, not the least of which is: which Jay Garrickbelongs to which Earth?

It's entirely possible that Zoom is actually Earth-1's Hunter Zolomon, Jay's doppelganger from "Return of the Reverse-Flash." In the comics, Hunter Zolomon becomes Zoom. The character first appeared in Geoff Johns and Scott Kolins' "The Flash: Secret Files & Origins" #3 as Zolomon, before taking up the mantle of Zoom in "The Flash" #197.
Alternatively, Zoom could be Jay Garrick from another Earth entirely; for instance, in the comics, Earth-3 is the home of the Crime Syndicate, an evil, inverted version of the Justice League.


Whatever the case, Zoom's identity likely won't be exactly as it appears. After all, in the first season of "The Flash," Eobard Thawne spent a bulk of his time disguised as Harrison Wells, which means there's precedence for speedsters disguising themselves as other characters. What's more, Earth-2 seems to be more advanced in science than Earth-1 is, which means it may have developed the technology that allowed Thawne to change his appearance a lot earlier than Earth-1 did.


Whoever this version of Jay Garrick turns out to be, it seems to deeply affect the man in the metal mask, which may hold another clue as to this mysterious man's identity.
Starring Grant Gustin, Carlos Valdes and Jesse L. Martin, "The Flash" returns airs Tuesdays at 8 pm EST on The CW.
 
lol ok, so while we're all still processing this. I just got this via E-mail.

"The Flash" Unmasks Zoom, Reveals His True Identity



SPOILERS! In "King Shark," the latest episode of "The Flash," Zoom revealed his true identity.

Read it now on CBR...

I called it months ago at the premiere.

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I called it months ago at the premiere.

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Nice congratulations.

Well that rule out earth 2 Henry(for now) . beside's I really wouldn't have bought it cause the motive won't make sense . But the question remains now which earth is he from? or is it really that he changed his face like Eobard did, due to the technology available over on earth 2?
 
Nice congratulations.

Well that rule out earth 2 Henry(for now) . beside's I really wouldn't have bought it cause the motive won't make sense . But the question remains now which earth is he from? or is it really that he changed his face like Eobard did, due to the technology available over on earth 2?

I have a feeling he is the evil hunter zolomon from another earth. Jay and Caitlyn finding his earth one counterpart on the bench was a clue I think. What I dont get is who is the guy in the mask? If zoom is really a evil speedster jay/ hunter zolomon, is he possibly hopping around different earths looking for his dobbleganger as a way to get faster before finding out about barry?
 
What if
Zoom was in STAR labs the whole time? As "Jay"?!?
 
In spite of all the evidence to the contrary, Zoom clearly ISN'T from Earth-2.
 
This is my thought also. It's Earth 1 Hunter.

Yep, I definitely am in the camp that says they showed us Zoom's identity episodes ago sitting on a park bench letting Jay and Caitlin think they were the ones doing the watching.
 
This is my thought also. It's Earth 1 Hunter.

Possibly. I was thinking that Zoom!Jay's origin point is an Earth we haven't yet seen, myself, but we'll see what happens.

We ARE dealing with at least 2, if not 3, Jay Garrick doppelgangers all on E2 now, though, even with one of them being deceased.
 
if he's deceased. alot of questions have to be answered
 
E2 Jay - who is now dead - clearly didn't know that he was fighting himself (Zoom).
 

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