The Flash Teddy Sears IS Jay Garrick

[zenith16]

We don't know if fake Jay that was hanging out at star labs on earth was really from earth 2 ether. He lied too much with how he lost his powers etc and more . We'll find out when Barry reaches E 2 again

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I disagree.

 

[zenith16]

^ I disagree.

oh my powers didn't cause I'm on earth one

oh my powers were stolen by zoom

ooh my power don't work any more cause I used the serium velocity 6 ande it's E2 well's fault even though he had no connection to that serum til he was on this earth (1) don't trust h earthy 2 wells even though it's me that has the shifting story's .


oh by the way don't talk to my earth one doppelganger its a lo9st cause for a cure,. Btw does any one notice I'm the one doing too much of the talking? All so you can't question any one else?


Fake Jay. all base's covered in lies.

 

[DigificWriter]

Yes, the Jay we've gotten to know was less than truthful when it came to his speed, but that doesn't automatically mean he's not actually E2 Jay, and there's nothing at this point to suggest that he's not.

 

[zenith16]

Yes, the Jay we've gotten to know was less than truthful when it came to his speed, but that doesn't automatically mean he's not actually E2 Jay, and there's nothing at this point to suggest that he's not.

if he lied about that there's not telling what he lied about and until then every word he said is su7pect especially what he said about earth one zolomon in the freaking park with caitlin.



thing will be sorted out with time. I'll just wait and see that's all I'm saying. but three lies in a row about one thing. Nuh uh again it's suspect. especially when he tried to push blame in a over blown way on some else was trying to hard to shout that other person down. and then he made sure caitlin could talk to earth one hunter. just listen to only me. it's too much.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'm not a cynic who believes that one lie = multiple lies, so I stand by what I said.

Edit: I'm not sure where you're getting this notion of 3 lies/half-truths from.

 

[zenith16]

I'm not a cynic who believes that one lie = multiple lies, so I stand by what I said.

the problem is it isn't one lie it's that he did it multiple times each times the story shifted and he threw blame on ether zoom or earth 2 well's

it's like your alibi changing multiple times and in most detective storys and even in realife your caught doing that your usually can't ever be trusted and your have ulterior motives if not the culprit and most case's you usual the culprit or another person with their own twisted agenda doing similar to the other criminal of the peace he just can't be trusted

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Where is this this notion about Jay having changed his story multiple times coming from?

 

[zenith16]

I'm not explain it again after this you know it's with the powers of his and how he lost it. and he really didn't want caitlin near who he called hunter in the park.
It make's me wonder if she still went to the guy in the park would he tell his name hunter or would he tell her his name is jay and ask her who's hunter? Fake made then he overly shouting with dr.wells not to trust (in a wolverine and JJJ from spider man manner always over board with the blame and not have the accurate details ) but can't keep his own details straight.

the only people that do that are those trying to throw off attention from them selves and frame others. and some what sloppy at it. at that.

 

[spiderman2]

Yep, I definitely am in the camp that says they showed us Zoom's identity episodes ago sitting on a park bench letting Jay and Caitlin think they were the ones doing the watching.

Oh that is interesting and I didn't think about that. That is a good point.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'm not explain it again after this you know it's with the powers of his and how he lost it. and he really didn't want caitlin near who he called hunter in the park.
It make's me wonder if she still went to the guy in the park would he tell his name hunter or would he tell her his name is jay and ask her who's hunter? Fake made then he overly shouting with dr.wells not to trust (in a wolverine and JJJ from spider man manner always over board with the blame and not have the accurate details ) but can't keep his own details straight.

the only people that do that are those trying to throw off attention from them selves and frame others. and some what sloppy at it. at that.

You're reading into things that have no grain of truth to them whatsoever.

Believe what you want, though.

 

[zenith16]

You're reading into things that have no grain of truth to them whatsoever.

Believe what you want, though.

the only thing that have no truth to them are what he said with how he lost that power of his and each time he cameback and was made talked about his powers it changed details then he was tossing blame . it was a simple thing to keep straight .

he said he lot his power by being on earth one before killing sand demon.

then he said he lost cause zoom in a fight with him.

he come back after one of his fit's cause barry needs help and velocity 6 is needed with jay help after another freak out with him in another episode he say's it's cause he used velocity 6 he lost his powers and it was any of things prior. and show's Caitlin his doppelganger which states is zolomon and that version has not been mutated and a cure for what velocity 6 did to him won't be found with his earth one counter part's DNA . and he doing all the talking and doesn't want to talk to that counter part. he doing all the talking.


and then the man in the iron mask

fake jay that was hanging at star labs isn't who he seem's and the birth mark on the man in the iron mask.

no something off. but fine you believe what you want. I'll respect you want to believe.

 

[jaqua99]

I think it's much simpler. Dead Jay is Jay Garrick Earth 2, and for reasons stated, his earth 1 doppelgänger is Hunter Zoloman. Who is Zoom. I feel that's the easiest explanation.

The few grammatical errors in your post doesn't exactly help your stance ^

 

[DigificWriter]

I get the feeling, based on something that Andrew Kreisberg said in direct correspondence with TV Line, that we are meant to think Zoom is E1 Zolomon when he is in fact a Jay Garrick from somewhere OTHER than Earth-1 or Earth-2.

It's possible that I'm interpreting his comments wrongly, but that's how I feel.

BTW, go here to read what he said:
http://tvline.com/2016/02/23/the-flash-season-2-episode-15-recap-zoom-revealed/

 

[zenith16]

I think it's much simpler. Dead Jay is Jay Garrick Earth 2, and for reasons stated, his earth 1 doppelgänger is Hunter Zoloman. Who is Zoom. I feel that's the easiest explanation.

The few grammatical errors in your post doesn't exactly help your stance ^

The spell check on my end isn't showing any Grammatical error on my end with the last post. But this is my roommates pc while mine is being repaired.

ohh Barry's name. I didn't capitalize the B

and that's still not a fare way to say some is right or wrong. it's better to let the show "show us " which is the correct answer.

 

[iamjoeking]

Again very sad about the treatment of Jay Garrick. Why kill him off?!

 

[Bren]

If real Jay looks like the other two (fake Jay and Zoom) I'd guess;

1. Zoom is the real Jay (Earth 2) but from a different timeline, and he's keeping real Jay alive to not ruin his own existence.
2. Fake Jay is Earth 1 Jay who was adopted by the Zolomon's (basically what fake Jay told Caitlyn, but he was talking about himself). Zoom recruiting him with promises to grant him speed too. Maybe Zoom killed him because he saw he was developing feelings for Caitlyn? Or just because

Zenith, you are difficult to understand sometimes

 

[DigificWriter]

The Jay we'd gotten to know since Episode 2 IS the "real" Jay.

 

[zenith16]

If real Jay looks like the other two (fake Jay and Zoom) I'd guess;

1. Zoom is the real Jay (Earth 2) but from a different timeline, and he's keeping real Jay alive to not ruin his own existence.
2. Fake Jay is Earth 1 Jay who was adopted by the Zolomon's. Zoom recruiting him with promises to grant him speed too. Maybe Zoom killed him because he saw he was developing feelings for Caitlyn? Or just because

lol well I doubt zoom care about fake jay's love life.


I think what happened was Zoom was after earth 2 Dr.wells and Barry. Fake Jay was with his back to the breach door way that was supposedly closing slowly compared to the others and put his hands though him by accident. Zoom couldn't really see anything be sides the back and he just pulled who ever it was in before the breach closed

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

How does the line of Zoom-Jay at the end fit into all this though? "This complicates things ect."? How does the death of the Jay we've known so far complicate anything for Zoom if he's any of the identities that are being speculated about ? For me, it's only one: Zoom is Jay from further down his own timeline, which despite what we saw did not end when he was vibro- handed and pulled through the breach.

 

[Bren]

I suggested (I'm sure I'm not the first) that timelines and different earths are separate entities.

So ZoomJay and RealJay (masked man) are of the same earth, different timelines.
FakeJay is from a different earth, therefore does not affect ZoomJay's existence?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I suggested (I'm sure I'm not the first) that timelines and different earths are separate entities.

So ZoomJay and RealJay (masked man) are of the same earth, different timelines.
FakeJay is from a different earth, therefore does not affect ZoomJay's existence?

But again, going with the idea of "fake Jay" which I reject, I have to ask how killing "fake Jay" complicates anything? I think that indicates timeline shennanigans and since we aren't seeing a timeline collapse or change after Zoom pulled Jay through after vibro-handing him, I think it suggests it was a meant to be moment.

 

[Bren]

All these threads about the same thing making my head spin as much as all the different earths and (possible) timelines....

Maybe it complicates things because having lost Wells as a resource, he's lost his other 'inside man' (assuming there are three Jays of course)...

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

I love the show but I don't think good storytelling needs to be this convoluted.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I love the show but I don't think good storytelling needs to be this convoluted.

I wish they put as much thought into consistency and character as they do these plots, I agree.