the 89th Annual Academy Awards - Part 1

[LoganGambit87]

It was the Russians.

 

[OutOfBoose]

^

 

[Mask&Cape]

No.

That 'bully' hugged Barry, and Barry HIMSELF thanked him on CBS Monday morning for being so respectful and understanding, and his efforts to to clear the air on live TV. Both parties talked in the backstage area and everyone's fine because they're adults, and they knew there was just a monster mistake.

Also, it feels like we all are putting too much stock on the gif. When you're watching the entire thing, that 'card pulling' thing happened so fast that I'm sure Warren didn't care. Warren was more concerned about the confusion with the cards.

I didn't see any gif and I did see the whole thing. I don't know why you were thinking I was basing my opinion on a gif.

I can't comment on what Jenkins knows about the card being pulled - did he comment on that in particular?

Horowitz hugging Jenkins doesn't mean that Horowitz hadn't reacted badly a few minutes before. And Horowitz didn't have to push his way in front anyone to "clear the air" - it was about to get done. There was no "truth telling" like is claimed in The Washington Post.

It is as clear lake water in New Zealand that Horowitz was upset and embarrassed. I'm not calling Horowitz a monster. As I stated earlier, he is only human and every right to be annoyed, but he did react badly. If Horowitz deserves praise, it is for not throwing a bigger hissy fit on stage.

And the point of my original post is being missed. Horowitz wasn't even the subject of my criticism. I was asking about other peoples reaction to it - praising him as a "class act" when in actual fact he was really rude. And what "truth telling"? The Washington Post journalist was writing as thought it was some amazing feat of heroism against a massive cover up. Nobody was trying to hide to what happened and another few seconds Beatty, Kimmel or someone else would have been at the microphone to clear to up.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

In what way has my opinion been an "over reaction"?

I simply set my opinion down and asked what he did that deserved praise on twitter, etc. I haven't been out on the street with a sandwich board hailing the end of days or windy ranting on social media. I wasn't calling for his crucifixion.

As to being "a non-existent issue"? It happened, therefore it exists.

Is is important? No. The two are totally different.

And it has been 18 pages of discussions on the Oscars themselves in this thread, that is a lot of discussion for a similarly unimportant topic.

To say my comment that that a Hollywood producer behaved like a bully is a reflection on the state of the world today is *closer to* actual over reaction.

No one was bullied. It's silly to characterize it as such in my view. Seems I'm not alone. If you and Ruth and others use such charged language for such trivialities... Well I need not finish the thought. The parties that Ruth and yourself characterize as "wronged" in some form themselves disagree with that assessment.

 

[Octoberist]

I didn't see any gif and I did see the whole thing. I don't know why you were thinking I was basing my opinion on a gif.

I can't comment on what Jenkins knows about the card being pulled - did he comment on that in particular?

Horowitz hugging Jenkins doesn't mean that Horowitz hadn't reacted badly a few minutes before. And Horowitz didn't have to push his way in front anyone to "clear the air" - it was about to get done. There was no "truth telling" like is claimed in The Washington Post.

It is as clear lake water in New Zealand that Horowitz was upset and embarrassed. I'm not calling Horowitz a monster. As I stated earlier, he is only human and every right to be annoyed, but he did react badly. If Horowitz deserves praise, it is for not throwing a bigger hissy fit on stage.

And the point of my original post is being missed. Horowitz wasn't even the subject of my criticism. I was asking about other peoples reaction to it - praising him as a "class act" when in actual fact he was really rude. And what "truth telling"? The Washington Post journalist was writing as thought it was some amazing feat of heroism against a massive cover up. Nobody was trying to hide to what happened and another few seconds Beatty, Kimmel or someone else would have been at the microphone to clear to up.

It seems like you're creating this narrative in your head.

Most of the buzz (now) is of the gif him grabbing the card from Warren, and the various memes. The focus of the hyperbole is based on the slow downed 8 seconds, instead of the entire thing. Yes, people got obviously emotional and confused, but were able to stand up and try to get the show a-moving.

And aren't you being dismissive of Barry Jenkins? He himself said that the La La Land crew, especially Horowitz, handled it with respect and class.

 

[Mask&Cape]

It seems like you're creating this narrative in your head.

Most of the buzz (now) is of the gif him grabbing the card from Warren, and the various memes. The focus of the hyperbole is based on the slow downed 8 seconds, instead of the entire thing. Yes, people got obviously emotional and confused, but were able to stand up and try to get the show a-moving.

And aren't you being dismissive of Barry Jenkins? He himself said that the La La Land crew, especially Horowitz, handled it with respect and class.

It is irrelevant that their are gifs and memes - as I said I saw no gifs and have based my opinion on the actual footage of the situation.

I'm not "creating any narrative in my head" - the facts are there to see. Like you said, people got confused and emotional. I'm not saying it is wrong to that - I'm saying that Horowitz's response was rude and lacked class.

I am not being dismissive of Jenkins. I simply asked had he said anything in particular about Horowitz's grabbing the card or pushing his way in front of others. He may not have seen that at all and Horowitz's behaviour towards him was obviously going to be different to people responsible for the error and especially later backstage with the chance to cool down and be out of the embarrassing situation. Also, I never said anything about the ret of the La La Land team.

However, once again you missing the point. I'm asking why people took to social media to praise (a very human and understandable) moment of anger as a "class act". Horowitz deserved no praise for it. And this claim he is "truth teller" is is ridiculous. What great heroic truth did Horowitz announce to the world?

 

[Greens]

I'm asking why people took to social media to praise (a very human and understandable) moment of anger as a "class act". Horowitz deserved no praise for it. And this claim he is "truth teller" is is ridiculous. What great heroic truth did Horowitz announce to the world?

Why do you care? I mean honestly, what difference does it make? The reason people take to social media and bloviate about this stuff is because they like to take small things and blow them out of proportion. What you're talking about literally doesn't matter. It's so minuscule, so minute that it makes no difference to anyone who was actually there much less anyone watching at home. A mistake was made, people got emotional, the mistake was rectified. This is tabloid level stuff at this point, trying to psycho-analyze what was going on and reading everyone's faces.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Why do you care? I mean honestly, what difference does it make? The reason people take to social media and bloviate about this stuff is because they like to take small things and blow them out of proportion. What you're talking about literally doesn't matter. It's so minuscule, so minute that it makes no difference to anyone who was actually there much less anyone watching at home. A mistake was made, people got emotional, the mistake was rectified. This is tabloid level stuff at this point, trying to psycho-analyze what was going on and reading everyone's faces.

I hae in interest in why people saw the situation one way and why others saw it differently.

It makes no lesser or greater difference in the same way a thread of 18 pages on the Oscars makes no difference to anything. These messages boards are a social media and we are all blowing the topics out of proportion.

Why do you care about the Oscars enough to spend time posting about it? What difference does typing about it here make?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Too many questions....

 

[Greens]

And only one answer

 

[Mask&Cape]

Too many questions....

So it would seem.

 

[Reek]

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Mask and Ruth, just... My goodness go away.

 

[samsnee]

Any thoughts on who should host next year?

It seems apparent to me that late night/daytime talk show hosts should stick to hosting either the Emmys or Golden Globes. Jimmy was fine, but the comedy doesn't seem to mesh as well for the biggest night in Hollywood.

I would love to see someone like a Jon Hamm host. Not necessarily a comedian but has comedic timing. Someone like an Amy Schumer or Nick Kroll might be good for the Independent Spirit Awards but not for a more formal evening.

 

[The Guard]

You know, it's entirely possible for Horowitz to have been rude AND a class act. He was not abusive, as abuse requires intention in some measure.

The classy part of his actions easily outweighs any rudeness related to...taking a piece of paper from someone's hands.

I can't believe there's a debate about this.

This is a man who was told he had won, as a news article yesterday put it, a "career defining" award and had just made a speech about it. He then was not only told that he had not won, but since no one else was doing squat, even though he was probably very upset, angry, and distressed, he took charge and not only gave up the award, but honored the party that had actually won it, and put the focus back on that party and their film. That's pure class. The fact that he managed to do all this in what had to be an emotional state is impressive in itself. The guy before him found out he had not won the award and still made a speechanyway, ending with a sarcastic "we lost by the way, but you know". Not only did Horowitz handle the situation, but he also helped redeem the image of his film and its crew.

 

[Reek]

Jon Stewart.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

Who i think would make good hosts of the oscars...
- Jessica Lange & Susan sarandon
- Adele
- Patrick Stewart & Ian mckellen
- Kathy Bates
- Alan Cumming
- Joan Rivers
- Graham norton
- Lupita Nyong'o
- Billy eichner
- Sarah Paulson

 

[Schlosser85]

You realize Joan Rivers is dead....?

 

[kvz5]

You realize Joan Rivers is dead....?

There are always holograms!

 

[terry78]

You realize Joan Rivers is dead....?

That's what they want you to think.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

Yes I know i meant if she was alive she would make a great host

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

What did you guys think of Grace's commentary on the Oscars? Saying Warren was at fault for the flub, and that Meryl had to eat humble pie.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

You realize Joan Rivers is dead....?

Well they did put a living person in the In Memorium this year, so i don't know what to believe anymore!

We need to triple check everything.

 

[Guts]

You realize Joan Rivers is dead....?

Time to break out that good old Ouija board.

 

[samsnee]

Jon Stewart.

Didn't he host one already? Wasn't that great if I remember. He's better as a court jester.

I would love for Steve Martin/Alec Baldwin to do it again.

Just no more stupid food deliveries.