The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - - Part 11

[GRangerPrimeNYC]

"@MarcW: Day 71. Visit from old pal @edgarwright - sporting windswept Game of Thrones hair. #jonsnow #youcanguardmywallanytime"

Lol, the directors of Antman and The Amazing Spider-Man series

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Anyone think it's too soon for Spider-Man to become 'famous'. I mean he had only just become Spider-Man in the first movie. It wasn't like the Raimi origin where he was already established in the first movie. He is yet to be established. He is so far only known as a 'masked vigilante.' Which is why, if everyone is now in love and praise of Spider-Man (most of all Max Dillon), it might seem like a bit of a leap from the first movie.

Uh, did you miss the first half of the Raimi movie? And Captain Stacy made a very public announcement for his arrest in Webb's movie.

With the graffiti at the end, I think Spidey is probably more famous by the end of Webb's first movie than by the end of Raimi's.

 

[Valkyrje]

Uh, did you miss the first half of the Raimi movie? And Captain Stacy made a very public announcement for his arrest in Webb's movie.

With the graffiti at the end, I think Spidey is probably more famous by the end of Webb's first movie than by the end of Raimi's.

By the half of Spiderman 1, I think he has already been Spidey for a few months, while in ASM he was Spidey for 2-3 weeks.

 

[Vid Electricz]

We don't know if they're "old best buddies". The only thing the synopsis states is that Harry is an "old friend", which could involve many scenarios. It could mean that Peter and Harry were friends (perhaps not even best friends) before Peter was swept away from his upper class life to a more modest working class one. Contrived? yes maybe, we don't know how it'll be handled, but it's not as much an act of sin as you seem to be making it.

Peter was left with Uncle Ben and Aunt May at age 4. After his parents died it would seem logical that all relationship and contact (or whatever relationship a 4 year old would have at all) with Oscorp would have been gone or deliberately kept from him. I also doubt Ben and May knew much if anything about Oscorp and what Richard did there. If that were the case, I'd doubt any 4 year old would be aware of their father's boss's name or their company name, so it why would even be a concern 13-14 years later?

My problem is the writers trying to sneak Harry Osborn in as the "long lost friend" to try to add some *instant* pathos and history as a sort of shorthand for the familiarity we're meant to have with the character. I just happen to hate when they do things like this in franchise films. It ends up seeming like a crutch/lazy writing to me.

Maybe it wouldn't irk me so much if there wasn't so much mention of Oscorp and Norman Osborn in the first film. It's not the fact that this info was kept from young Peter so much as his long lost best buddy having the same name as the CEO of the shady megacorporation who may have had a hand in his parents disappearance.

Surely they could've introduced Harry to Peter in high school/college/whatever and have them become friends, but then there wouldn't be the supposed history between them which is meant to add more substance to their relationship.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I can see Harry and Peter going to the same school as kids or something. A school for gifted and/or rich kids seems like a solid way to cement how smart Peter is. Then when Peter moves in with Ben and May, they fell apart.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

We don't know if they're "old best buddies". The only thing the synopsis states is that Harry is an "old friend", which could involve many scenarios. It could mean that Peter and Harry were friends (perhaps not even best friends) before Peter was swept away from his upper class life to a more modest working class one. Contrived? yes maybe, we don't know how it'll be handled, but it's not as much an act of sin as you seem to be making it.




Peter was left with Uncle Ben and Aunt May at age 4. After his parents died it would seem logical that all relationship and contact (or whatever relationship a 4 year old would have at all) with Oscorp would have been gone or deliberately kept from him. I also doubt Ben and May knew much if anything about Oscorp and what Richard did there. If that were the case, I'd doubt any 4 year old would be aware of their father's boss's name or their company name, so it why would even be a concern 13-14 years later?

All of this. This is how it will probably work.

 

[mayo23]

Anyone think it's too soon for Spider-Man to become 'famous'. I mean he had only just become Spider-Man in the first movie. It wasn't like the Raimi origin where he was already established in the first movie. He is yet to be established. He is so far only known as a 'masked vigilante.' Which is why, if everyone is now in love and praise of Spider-Man (most of all Max Dillon), it might seem like a bit of a leap from the first movie.

Not really. I mean in SM1 the story took a leap from Peter "catching" Uncle Ben's killer to him being an established hero through montage. Story wise, he hardly earned the fame. Why can't ASM2 do the same thing? He's already established himself as Spider-man in the first one and he's still probably wanted by the police but also loved by a good amount of NYC. ASM2 is a new film obviously, they can choose to start him off from any point in his super hero career and still be able to explain what has happened since the first film.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Anyone think it's too soon for Spider-Man to become 'famous'. I mean he had only just become Spider-Man in the first movie. It wasn't like the Raimi origin where he was already established in the first movie. He is yet to be established. He is so far only known as a 'masked vigilante.' Which is why, if everyone is now in love and praise of Spider-Man (most of all Max Dillon), it might seem like a bit of a leap from the first movie.

I think from TASM to TASM2, it's about 6 months? It would make sense if he's already loved and hated at the same time. "Big time super hero."

In those photos of Max Dillon's apt, he has a bunch of Spidey cut outs which means he might be exactly that in TASM2.

 

[Anno_Domini]

There's not going to be any ******** twist with the GG revealed to be Sandman from Spider-Man 3 or something, can we get twists out of our heads, please guys? It's getting old now.

Only thing I see them doing is having people think it's Harry.

Green Goblin being Flint Marko/Sandman played by Thomas Haden Church would indeed be a twist! Lol.

You'd think so. You'd think names like "Oscorp" and "Norman Osborn" would ring a bell in Peter's head.

Yep, but, nada. Nothing. Peter seems clueless about Norman Osborn and even OsCorp until he walks into the building.

Lol, the directors of Antman and The Amazing Spider-Man series

You probably think this is something to do with Webb's Spidey being in the MCU now, huh? Lol.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

So there's an Amazing Spider-Man 2 "trailer" out according to this site lol.
http://m.fashionnstyle.com/articles...ight-scene-andrew-garfield-having-fun-set.htm

 

[VenomSpawn]

Yeah that trailer seemed pretty legit alright.

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

Yep, but, nada. Nothing. Peter seems clueless about Norman Osborn and even OsCorp until he walks into the building.

There was no way to tell either way in the movie. He only looked like he'd never been in the building before, sure, not that he knew nothing about Oscorp.

Theres no way in the entire world that he would have been clueless about them. Oscorp is a big name in science in this universe and Peter is a born scientist. It'd be ridiculous to think that even if he never met Harry, he'd never knew anything about Oscorp or Norman Osborn.

There's enough room to retrofit Harry Osborn in TASM 2 without some kind of plot hole or 'lack of good writing'.

 

[Piper Maru]

Yeah that trailer seemed pretty legit alright.

Looks like a real blockbuster!

 

[fireflyhatter]

Spoiler

I'd like something like this suit-wise for Rhino, although it would appear cross-species is more likely...

 

[Nicko-Ray]

^ Dude! I actually dig that. I would change a few subtle things but that looks great.

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

Spoiler

I'd like something like this suit-wise for Rhino, although it would appear cross-species is more likely...

I only have one nitpick about that mech suit. If you want to make an armored suit at all and can make one that advanced, why in the world would you want to make it some Rhino shaped armor when you can just as well make it a human iron-man-ish mech suit? I didn't really get that. Then again, Batman doesn't need to dress like a bat. But if you have the ability to go that far, why make all that only for the point of the suit being to ram everything with your horns? So you want all the force to be on your head? A place you want to protect? Why not just put blades on the fists or something...lol. Theres something about the logic that just doesn't sit with me.

With cross species, or a mech cross species hybrid, I guess there is more of a reason as to why he looks like a Rhino. Whether people like it or not, I'm betting its going to be cross species with all this Oscorp involvement.

 

[SpitCurl]

I only have a minor nitpick about a mech suit. If you want to make an armored suit at all and can make one that advanced, why in the world would you want to make it some Rhino shaped armor when you can just as well make it a human iron-man-ish mech suit? I didn't really get that. Then again, Batman doesn't need to dress like a bat.

With cross species, or a mech cross species hybrid, I guess there is more of a reason as to why he looks like a Rhino. Whether people like it or not, I'm betting its going to be cross species with all this Oscorp involvement.

Inevitably, the answer will be "because, comics". But yeah, you're right. Unless you establish the suit's creator's as just complete Forest Gump-like genuines (really good at one or two things but completely socially unaware) it wouldn't make any sense. It's sort of like those fan-manips of live-action Batsuits that are armored and/or reinforced w/material that is not spandex, yet he still inexplicably wears trunks (or pants the crotch to mimic trunks) on the outside t:.

I'd wager OsCorp serum and OMG I'm actually having a serious discussion about the merits of the Rhino's apperance in a live-action film... I'll be at the bar.

 

[Anno_Domini]

There was no way to tell either way in the movie. He only looked like he'd never been in the building before, sure, not that he knew nothing about Oscorp.

Theres no way in the entire world that he would have been clueless about them. Oscorp is a big name in science in this universe and Peter is a born scientist. It'd be ridiculous to think that even if he never met Harry, he'd never knew anything about Oscorp or Norman Osborn.

There's enough room to retrofit Harry Osborn in TASM 2 without some kind of plot hole or 'lack of good writing'.

The old friend of Harry Osborn...the son of Richard Parker....and he acts like a fish out of water when he sees OsCorp...that seems a bit odd, don't you think?

 

[TheLastBlade]

Oscorp was like below his interests, until it involved his parents. Maybe he was friends with Harry, but never knew that he was Osborn's son (remember, this is Osborn we're talking about here; busy man, never having time with his son and never meeting face to face wih most common people). If the don't establish this, then that's one plot hole people will remember.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Oscorp was like below his interests, until it involved his parents. Maybe he was friends with Harry, but never knew that he was Osborn's son (remember, this is Osborn we're talking about here; busy man, never having time with his son and never meeting face to face wih most common people). If the don't establish this, then that's one plot hole people will remember.

So Peter was dumb as a child?

 

[Venom'sDad]

Probably more like Peter moving away from the same community as Harry, when he moved to his Uncle Ben's house as a little child.

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

The old friend of Harry Osborn...the son of Richard Parker....and he acts like a fish out of water when he sees OsCorp...that seems a bit odd, don't you think?

Lol no. He's acting like a fish out of water because it was stated that it was his first time in that building and he was lost and curious, and in awe of the size.

Not every reaction has to do with his past with Harry. Just because he knew Harry when he was younger doesn't mean he's been to Oscorp.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Do we even know Harry is Peter's old friend? He could be Gwen's for all we know.

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

Official synopsis says so.

Spoiler

In “The Amazing Spider-Man 2,” for Peter Parker (Andrew Garfield), life is busy – between taking out the bad guys as Spider-Man and spending time with the person he loves, Gwen (Emma Stone), high school graduation can’t come quickly enough. Peter hasn’t forgotten about the promise he made to Gwen’s father to protect her by staying away – but that’s a promise he just can’t keep. Things will change for Peter when a new villain, Electro (Jamie Foxx), emerges, an old friend, Harry Osborn (Dane DeHaan), returns, and Peter uncovers new clues about his past.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Official synopsis says so.

Spoiler

For Peter Parker, life is busy. Between apprehending criminals as Spider-Man and spending time with the person he loves, Gwen Stacy, high school graduation cannot come quickly enough. Peter has not forgotten about the promise he made to Gwen’s father to protect her by staying away, but that is a promise he cannot keep. Things will change for Peter when two enemies, Electro and Rhino, emerge; an old friend, Harry Osborn, returns and Peter uncovers new clues about his past.

Did you add rhino?