The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - - - - - Part 14

[GuestStar2004]

loads of people actually like TASM better then SM1

 

[Spiderdevil]

Only you weren't talking about the critics. You made a broad statement: "He failed". You generalised

I meant from a critics point of view

And fan reactions for TASM were mixed. You can't just take into account the TASM boards, you have to look further. The crowds' response was something better than lukewarm.

The day of the release and before that,they were mostly positive.

While MoS is something like 'Mixed to negative'

 

[Scarlettess]

Usually in a origin movie there is no room other things(Villains),even after that Raimi did really well

TASM did almost as well with the origin but fell falt with the Villain in the 2nd half.



Hello!
Its on 59% on RT
Even the likes of TIH,Hulk have a better rating

I highly doubt I am gonna like it after reading the reviews(All action,no substance,heart or emotion,Plactic and uncharismatic lead)

Do you let other people make up your mind on stuff in real life too?

Also I'd take into account some of the most well made and great movies imo dont have a high RT score such as Taken or Blood Diamond which only has 58% and 62% respectively. So yeah RT isnt the be all and end all of if a movie is good or not.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

loads of people actually like TASM better then SM1

In my little corner of the world this is the case.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Do you let other people make up your mind on stuff in real life too?

Also I'd take into account some of the most well made and great movies imo dont have a high RT score such as Taken or Blood Diamond which only has 58% and 62% respectively. So yeah RT isnt the be all and end all of if a movie is good or not.

Well said. Some of my most personally enjoyed movies have low RT scores. I could care less what some critic has to say and furthermore most are judging movies based on their 'own set of criteria.'

 

[Spiderdevil]

Do you let other people make up your mind on stuff in real life too?

Also I'd take into account some of the most well made and great movies imo dont have a high RT score such as Taken or Blood Diamond which only has 58% and 62% respectively. So yeah RT isnt the be all and end all of if a movie is good or not.

I guess you missed this ''All action,no substance,heart or emotion,Plactic and uncharismatic lead''

Most of the reviews say that

 

[GuestStar2004]

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[SpideyFan866]

2 things:
a) does anyone else feel that what´s happening now to MoS is very similar to TASM? (mixed reviews , people loving it and some mixed)
b)Do you think the writters can make justice for TASM 2? i mwa n some people tell me they are good and some bad...idk

The reaction to MOS is nothing like ASM's.

the response to ASM was mostly positive.

The response to MOS is quite vastly more negative than positive

 

[mayo23]

Because SM1 was imo the perfect CB origin movie.And it was released just 10 years before TASM
TASM had an incredibly hard job to beat it and since the source material was the same,many parts of the movie looked a repeat
Thats what most critics complained about.Webb had no option either,he couldnt have skipped the spider bite,or Ben's death,or the responsibility message.It had to redone if they were to tell the origin again

While Zach Snyder had an empty road,the last superman origin came back in the 80s,he could have moulded him in any way possible.And yet he failed

While it's still too early to tell if Zach "failed", a lot of the positive crowd reactions to MoS have been glowing. I hardly remember even positive ASM reviews being rated as high.

Though, I think Webb made the right choice in fully revisiting the origin in ASM. I remember several users stating how using flashbacks to go over Peter's origin would've been better just for the sake of cutting time. However, one of the more consistent criticisms I've read about MoS are the use of flashbacks. Many reviews, even the positive ones noted how the flashbacks either created a choppiness in the pace and edit of the film and/or created an emotional disconnect with the characters. Regardless, it sounds like the spectacle is having it's way with the audience.

Still..I guess it didn't matter in the end since lots of people also took issue with the way Peter was portrayed so...

 

[Picard Sisko]

I like looking at RT, imdb, or Metacritic just for curiosity's sake, but otherwise I really couldn't care less about what a movie scores on any of these sites. You have to be your own critic.

 

[Picard Sisko]

While it's still too early to tell if Zach "failed", a lot of the positive crowd reactions to MoS have been glowing. I hardly remember even positive ASM reviews being rated as high.

Though, I think Webb made the right choice in fully revisiting the origin in ASM. I remember several users stating how using flashbacks to go over Peter's origin would've been better just for the sake of cutting time. However, one of the more consistent criticisms I've read about MoS are the use of flashbacks. I've read many reviews, even the positive ones that noted how the flashbacks either created a choppiness in the pace and edit of the film and/or created an emotional disconnect with the characters. Regardless, it sounds like the spectacle is having it's way with the audience.

Still..I guess it didn't matter in the end since lots of people also took issue with the way Peter was portrayed so...

A lot of people also say that the origin should have been told in the opening credits, which I think is a bad idea. I don't think it really worked for The Incredible Hulk.

Re-telling the origin in TASM was a good idea IMO. We are establishing an entirely new film universe, and the origin plays into the central theme of the series: the missing parents, Oscorp/Norman Osborn, cross-species genetics, etc. It also had to establish that this is in no way connected to the Raimi films.

I think the majority of people who disliked the portrayal of Peter Parker (general audience that is) were just too used to Tobey Maguire. I either hear people say "Tobey Maguire is the only true Peter Parker," or the other way around.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Re-telling the origin in TASM was a good idea IMO. We are establishing an entirely new film universe, and the origin plays into the central theme of the series: the missing parents, Oscorp/Norman Osborn, cross-species genetics, etc. It also had to establish that this is in no way connected to the Raimi films.

Woo! That was spot on. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I mean sure you could go TSSM style and skip the origin and revisit it later, but the parents/Oscorp is huuuge in this universe so it HAD to be done. It's not the same origin story actually. It's a Spider-Man origin story of its own.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Exactly. TSSM's style of telling the origin later on in a flashback worked because its an animated series. What works in a cartoon won't necessarily work in a film.

And yes, the parents/Oscorp story is HUGE in this universe.

 

[Spiderdevil]

While it's still too early to tell if Zach "failed", a lot of the positive crowd reactions to MoS have been glowing. I hardly remember even positive ASM reviews being rated as high.

Wrong!
A lot of people said it was as good as SM2

Plus Superman hasnt had a decent movie since 3 decades,while Spidey has had a great trilogy ending just 5 years before TASM.Obviously the bar was higher for TASM

Though, I think Webb made the right choice in fully revisiting the origin in ASM. I remember several users stating how using flashbacks to go over Peter's origin would've been better just for the sake of cutting time. However, one of the more consistent criticisms I've read about MoS are the use of flashbacks. Many reviews, even the positive ones noted how the flashbacks either created a choppiness in the pace and edit of the film and/or created an emotional disconnect with the characters. Regardless, it sounds like the spectacle is having it's way with the audience.

I for one dont like nagging flashbacks every 5 minutes.I hated it in BB and I doubt I would like it in MoS

IMO Opening credits and the flash back thingy are terrible ways to tell a origin story.Webb did the correct thing in retelling it again.Though he should have visited new arcs(like the underworld-Kingpin and such) to avoid repeatitions.He tried to merge the Villain's origin with the hero's origin and it didnt quite come off

I am more of fan of the movie starting out in the middle then going back to how the hero got there,sorta like Daredevil and IM1

That and Ang Lee's comic book style panes from Hulk(2003) and also Webb's first person view scenes should be used more and more in CBMs imo

 

[Scarlettess]

I guess you missed this ''All action,no substance,heart or emotion,Plactic and uncharismatic lead''

Most of the reviews say that

Oh well, if they think that then I guess it must be fact and you must think that too, because critics are never wrong, and they speak thou art truth always!

As I said, your forming your opinion based on other people's views, though you havn't seen the movie, and might, god forbid, enjoy it.

 

[Eggyman]

I guess you missed this ''All action,no substance,heart or emotion,Plactic and uncharismatic lead''

Most of the reviews say that

It's only true when I say it is. I'm able to handle having an unpopular opinion. I'll find out on Sunday when I get my geek on, mofo

 

[mayo23]

Wrong!
A lot of people said it was as good as SM2

Wow....okay....

Certainly news to me.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Exactly. TSSM's style of telling the origin later on in a flashback worked because its an animated series. What works in a cartoon won't necessarily work in a film.

And yes, the parents/Oscorp story is HUGE in this universe.

Mhm. And not only is it because it's a cartoon, but because Marc had to show Peter at the kid age, to see the parents leaving, to show that Richard worked with Connors, to show that the spider bite came from Oscorp.

They couldn't show that in TSSM because that ISN'T the origin story in TSSM nor is it really in Amazing Fantasy 15. It's a tad similar to the Ultimate universe.

So folks, THAT is why the origin had to be told again.

 

[Norrin Parker]

I liked TASM but I would never say its as good as Spider-Man 2.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Agreed, Nicko.

 

[SlamAdams]

the fact that it was a cartoon has nothing to do with it really

 

[AF3619]

I liked TASM but I would never say its as good as Spider-Man 2.

same here

 

[Neno_Kos]

same here

this never was the question. because ASM is origin story, not sequel. ASM2 should be at same lvl as Spiderman 2, if it delivers what Webb is trying to do. But at the end with ASM3 or whatever is planed trilogy or more then three movies, will look better then Spiderman 2.

Original Spiderman trilogy never had universe, all three movies together were never connected with anything important in Raimi's story. This trilogy should have that, because everything is planned around Peter Parker and his parents, not Spiderman himself. Spiderman was thrown into that equation to create villains and trials to create and build Peter character, as his own personal life and superhero life. It's special. That is why i love Webb's movies better, started with 500 Days of Summer.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

And here we go, Spider-Man fans trolling on MOS, just keep quiet, don't make silly comments, this isnt a Marvel-DC war.

 

[Vid Electricz]

this never was the question. because ASM is origin story, not sequel. ASM2 should be at same lvl as Spiderman 2, if it delivers what Webb is trying to do. But at the end with ASM3 or whatever is planed trilogy or more then three movies, will look better then Spiderman 2.

Original Spiderman trilogy never had universe, all three movies together were never connected with anything important in Raimi's story. This trilogy should have that, because everything is planned around Peter Parker and his parents, not Spiderman himself. Spiderman was thrown into that equation to create villains and trials to create and build Peter character, as his own personal life and superhero life. It's special. That is why i love Webb's movies better, started with 500 Days of Summer.

Huh? After TASM2 will look better than SM2 after TASM3? I can't begin the piece this together...

Again, huh? "Never had universe?" Sure it did. I don't even know what you're trying to say- Yes, TASM was made with sequels in mind but that's only because of *wait for it* the success of the Raimi films. In 2002, a sequel was never a "sure thing" as it were, for a superhero film like this. In 2012, well after the crazy success of supehero films and 3 super-successful Spider-Man films in particular, the studio/filmmakers understand that these films are more than bankable and that the more they can churn out, the more people will turn up offering their $$$ (especially for a beloved, iconic character like Spider-Man). This is why they can afford to create stories in a more "serialized" fashion now. It's really simple. I don't know why more people can't seem to grasp how this works...

But no, it always seems to boil down to: Raimi dumb. Webb smart!