The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[Spiderdevil]

Why are people comparing Batman Begins with TASM? Begins is the second highest boxoffice movie after Batman'89. TASM will be the lowest one of all 4 Spider-Man movies.

Its the 4th aswell
TDK,TDKR and B89 are ahead of it and adjusting for inflation even Batman returns and Batman forever are ahead

 

[spider-neil]

Why are people comparing Batman Begins with TASM? Begins is the second highest boxoffice movie after Batman'89. TASM will be the lowest one of all 4 Spider-Man movies.

Begins is the second highest Batman movie at the BO?

 

[sontin]

Its the 4th aswell
TDK,TDKR and B89 are ahead of it

Not after the boxoffice run of Begins.

and adjusting for inflation even Batman returns and Batman forever are ahead

You can do the same with Raimi's Spider-Man. TASM would not even do half the business of Spider-Man 1 - 10 years later with 3D!

Batman Forever stands around $335 Millions and Begins $26x Millions today.
TASM will do $285 Millions less and without the 3D effect $321 Millions than Spider-Man 1.

Until TDK the Batman Franchise was never huge except Batman'89. All three Raimi Spider-Man movies did more than $750 Millions worldwide and over $300 Millions domestic.

 

[KalMart]

If Heath Ledger's Joker was not in TDK, the trilogy wouldn't have so much praise.

And if Leonard Nimoy's Spock wasn't in Star Trek, the show/movies wouldn't have been as liked.

Star Wars without Harrison Ford's Han Solo...etc....

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Just to put things in perspective. Here's Sony top ten all-time movies worldwide:

1) SM3 - 890 m (2007)
2) SM1 - 821 m (2002)
3) SM2 - 783 m (2004)
4) ASM - 770 m (rough estimate)
5) 2012 - 769 m (2009)
6) The Da Vinci Code - 758 m (2006)
7) Hancock - 624 m (2008)
8) MIB 3 - 619 m (2012)
9) Casino Royale - 594 m (2006)
10) Men In Black - 589 m (1997)

So basically this will be Sony's biggest hit since 2009 and one of their biggest movies ever. Not bad for a divisive reboot.

I think various box office nerds are the only ones disappointed.

 

[JKKS085]

Studios get 55% of the domestic figures compared to 40-45% of the overseas so yeah,there's a difference but not a huge one

They get 15% of the overseas gross at best after expenses. Period. There's no point debating it. It may not suit your obviously biased views on the film's performance but that's how it works. I agree it's too bad though since you deeply want TASM to be the most successful reboot in history.

In reality, however, these impressive-sounding receipts represented the foreign theaters' revenue, not the studios' share of them. In fact, the studios get an even smaller share of the foreign than of the American box-office. Last year, the studios' share averaged about 40 percent of ticket sales. And from those revenues studios have to pay for foreign advertising, prints, taxes, insurance, translations,etc. Once those expenses are deducted, the studios are lucky to wind up with 15% of what is reported as the foreign gross.

E.J Epstein, The Hollywood Economist

Doing all the calculations and Inflation adjustment(Taking the 55% Domestic and 45% Overseas stat)
BB made 234M from a 190M budget
TASM will make 341M from a 230M budget(Assuming 250M Domestic and 450M Overseas at the end of its run)

Adjusted BB domestic BO is 256,25M not 234. Adjusted PB is 187,5 not 190.
Without marketing going by the correct calculation, WB got out of Batman Begins" theatrical run $0,91 for every dollar spent.
As for TASM, if I take you figures Sony will get $0,89 out of it's theatrical run for every doller they spent on the production budget.

Meaning that, even with your figures, Batman Begins will remain more profitable than TASM.

It's indeed clear which one has been a bigger success financially wise.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Not after the boxoffice run of Begins.



You can do the same with Raimi's Spider-Man. TASM would not even do half the business of Spider-Man 1 - 10 years later with 3D!

Batman Forever stands around $335 Millions and Begins $26x Millions today.
TASM will do $285 Millions less and without the 3D effect $321 Millions than Spider-Man 1.

Until TDK the Batman Franchise was never huge except Batman'89. All three Raimi Spider-Man movies did more than $750 Millions worldwide and over $300 Millions domestic.

All those numbers don't matter.

ASM and Batman Begins are the lowest or second lowest grossing movies of their respective franchise because they're both reboots.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

They get 15% of the overseas gross at best after expenses. Period. There's no point debating it. It may not suit your obviously biased views on the film's performance but that's how it works. I agree it's too bad though since you deeply want TASM to be the most successful reboot in history.
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Sorry but hardly any big movies would be profitable if they got only 15% of the overseas gross.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No way Batman Begins is more profitable than ASM

Batman Begins cost 200 m to produce and market and made 372 m WW box office.

The studio gets to keep HALF of that 372 m. That's only 186 m they get to keep after spending 200 m.

The only reason it got a sequel was because of dvd sales.

ASM will make 55-75 m profit even before it leaves theaters.

 

[sontin]

All those numbers don't matter.

ASM and Batman Begins are the lowest or second lowest grossing movies of their respective franchise because they're both reboots.

No, Begins was the second highest grossing Batman movie after the run.
TASM will be the lowest grossing movie and needs 3D to get over $600 Millions worldwide.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Financially SM1 has earned almost 3 times as much as BB but you keep on saying how BB is better and the 'perfect' origin(When it is an average movie at best)
And Financially even SM3 blows BB out the water

And your point is...? I am comparing the three CBMs of this summer, not any of Raimi's trilogy.

Whats your point? It still topped BB's earnings

My question was that would it have topped any of Raimi's trilogy or Nolan's if they were released at the same time

If Heath Ledger's Joker was not in TDK, the trilogy wouldn't have so much praise.

"The best superhero trilogy" is small praise. Most superhero trilogies drop the ball by the third film.

Small praise? Wtf?

It's not small praise because of so many third installment failures for CBMs. Nolan found a way to get out of that "curse". That's VERY high praise that TDKR didn't end up becoming just like any other third act.

 

[JKKS085]

Sorry but hardly any big movies would be profitable if they got only 15% of the overseas gross.

"Big movies" make most of their money on side revenues (home video, merchandising, TV rights).
Actually theaters worldwide provide less than 18% of the overall revenue a blockbuster generates.

 

[Anno_Domini]

No, Begins was the second highest grossing Batman movie after the run.

http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=batman.htm

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No, Begins was the second highest grossing Batman movie after the run.
TASM will be the lowest grossing movie and needs 3D to get over $600 Millions worldwide.

You gotta adjust for inflation.

Batman Begins sold much fewer ticket than all but one Batman movie. Even Batman Returns sold more tickets.

 

[JKKS085]

No way Batman Begins is more profitable than ASM

I know that's today's shocking truth but numbers hardly lie.
You can do the exact same calculation as I did and you'll get to the same result.

Batman Begins cost 200 m to produce and market and made 372 m WW box office.

Actually Batman Begins total budget including marketing is around 230/235 million.

The studio gets to keep HALF of that 372 m.

No they don't please read above.

The only reason it got a sequel was because of dvd sales.

That and the critical reception.

ASM will make 55-75 m profit even before it leaves theaters.

Then again no it won't please read above.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Small praise? Wtf?

It's not small praise because of so many third installment failures for CBMs. Nolan found a way to get out of that "curse". That's VERY high praise that TDKR didn't end up becoming just like any other third act.

I'm not trying to marginalize The Nolan Batman Trilogy. I think it's one of the best movie trilogies ever made. But it has no competition in the superhero genre. They all suck thanks to a crappy third film.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I know that's today's shocking truth but numbers hardly lie.
You can do the exact same calculation as I did and you'll get to the same result.



Actually Batman Begins total budget including marketing is around 230/235 million.



No they don't please read above.



That and the critical reception.



Then again no it won't please read above.

Okay so according to your calculation methods, how much did Spider-man 3 make in profit from the box office?

Please show every step. Thanks.

 

[sontin]

You gotta adjust for inflation.

Batman Begins sold much fewer ticket than all but one Batman movie. Even Batman Returns sold more tickets.

TASM will do around $300 Millions less than Spider-Man 1 and 3 and $280 Millions less than Spider-Man 2.

And without 3D we are talking about $400+ Millions over Raimi's movies.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

That and the critical reception.

That doesn't determine what movies get a sequel.

Transformers 2 and 3 were trashed by critics yet they're planning a 4th.

But when has a critically acclaimed box office bomb ever got a sequel?

 

[JKKS085]

Okay so according to your calculation methods, how much did Spider-man 3 make in profit from the box office?

Please show every step. Thanks.

It's not MY calculation method but Epstein's. But here you go.

Spider-Man 3 made 336 million domestically and 554 overseas on a 258 million production budget. Lets keep marketing aside since we rarely get precise numbers on this matter.

Out of the 336 million in north america sony gets roughly 55% back (but it could've been a bit higher than that due to its record breaking opening week-end) wich makes 184,8 million back.

Out of the 554 million the movie grossed overseas, Sony gets 15% back wich makes 83,1 million back to the studio.

So a total of 267,9 million out of the movie's theatrical run. Meaning Sony got 1,03$ for every dollar they spent on the production of the movie. Considering the insanely high production budget it's kind of an achievement.

It's funny how people picture studios as easy billion dollar making companies. If it was indeed the case Columbia wouldn't have been on the verge of bankrupcy recently.

 

[spider-neil]

Spider-Man 2002 was the first time Spidey was on the big screen even and SM3 was the end of a beloved trilogy, it's not hard to see how those moves have made far more than ASM. Also at the end of ASM it will have made 700+ m so how anyone can claim Begins is a more successful movie is beyond me.

 

[spider-neil]

That doesn't determine what movies get a sequel.

Transformers 2 and 3 were trashed by critics yet they're planning a 4th.

But when has a critically acclaimed box office bomb ever got a sequel?

Blade Runner

 

[spider-neil]

Is there more than one source for this 15% made on the overseas BO take?

 

[JKKS085]

That doesn't determine what movies get a sequel.

Transformers 2 and 3 were trashed by critics yet they're planning a 4th.

But when has a critically acclaimed box office bomb ever got a sequel?

Hellboy of recent memories got a sequel after a very dissapointing first movie (BO wise).
And despite several dissapointing movies at the BO Fincher keeps making movies (with very few interferences from studios) only because he is critically acclaimed.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

TASM will do around $300 Millions less than Spider-Man 1 and 3 and $280 Millions less than Spider-Man 2.

And without 3D we are talking about $400+ Millions over Raimi's movies.

Batman Begins sold around half the amount of tickets as the top performing Batman movies.

ASM will do the same: half the ticket sales of the top performing Spider-man movies.

What do these two have in common? They both launched reboots.