The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[spider-neil]

Yeah but the public didn't go bananas over the TDK trilogy until the Joker, so it's too early to tell how the public feels about the new direction.

There's only a 9 point difference between the rottentomatoes user rating for ASM and Batman Begins, so I think the comparison has some merit.

After BB (which I found dull and mediocre) I can hand on heart say I was indifferent to the sequel until word of Ledger's performance started to sweep the internet.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yes, The Joker was the TDK franchises trump card (no pun). The tease at the end of begins was a great hype factor for getting ppl excited for the sequel.

Remember though it was almost twenty years between the last time the joker appeared on screen, so people were super excited to see him back after so long. Assuming TASM 2 goes for the expected Green Goblin villain it will be only a little more than 10 years since he was last on film and the deja vu feeling of TASM will continue on.

What they should have done is make a loose sequel to Spider-Man 3. It could have Peter and MJ already married and living together, and maybe have quick mentions of Harry Osborn or the Green Goblin in Spider-Man's past. Then they could just continue with whatever story they want to go with, whether it would be Lizard or Vulture (but no vultress!!)

 

[Picard Sisko]

If Heath Ledger's Joker was not in TDK, the trilogy wouldn't have so much praise.

 

[spider-neil]

If Heath Ledger's Joker was not in TDK, the trilogy wouldn't have so much praise.

I definately feel this is true. TDKR is actually my favorite of the trilogy because (for me) I was engaged the entire time where as I was pretty checked out of TDK when Joker wasn't on screen, the proof of this is when I watch TDK I fast forward to the Joker bits.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

If Heath Ledger's Joker was not in TDK, the trilogy wouldn't have so much praise.

No.

Nolan just created the best superhero trilogy of all time in many people's eyes... that has more to it than just Ledger.

In fact that statement is just downright degrading of the entire Nolan cast and crew.

 

[©KAW]

I think the real issue is not so much of how big a BO disappointment it is or isn't? but in that the reaction has been mostly muted.

When launching a big budget reboot franchise i think sony wanted more of an impact to be felt. Look at the impact star trek had. Regardless of its actual box office take it was a movie that got a lot of ppl talking and created an excitement to the brand.

Begins despite being a more moderate blockbuster success itself has been used as the desired template model for pretty much every reboot since.

With TASM aside from the hardcore devotes you don't really feel like it made much of an impact. It's come and gone (well soon enough).

Worldwide, Batman Begins (372M) wasn't even a moderate blockbuster success. It made a little more than Fantastic Four (330M) worldwide. After this film opens in China it will be closing in on 700M. Hell, you can add BB's DVD sales with its box office and it wouldn't come close to this film. People think 372M is considered a moderate blockbuster for a reboot, but (660M...not including China) is a Box Office disappointment?

 

[spider-neil]

What they should have done is make a loose sequel to Spider-Man 3. It could have Peter and MJ already married and living together, and maybe have quick mentions of Harry Osborn or the Green Goblin in Spider-Man's past. Then they could just continue with whatever story they want to go with, whether it would be Lizard or Vulture (but no vultress!!)

I'm glad they've rebooted it.
a) I HATED the organics
b) MJ's character was all wrong
c) Spidey's character was all wrong
d) if they redo Venom the tone of this movie actually fits the character far more than the Raimiverse
e) Goblin costume can be done properly plus what Goblin is most famous for can now be seen on the big screen.

with all of that said I still think SM2 is the best Spider-man movie but I prefer ASM far more to SM1, we'll see if ASM2 can top SM2

 

[spider-neil]

Worldwide, Batman Begins (372M) wasn't even a moderate blockbuster. It made a little more than Fantastic Four (330M) worldwide. After this film opens in China it will be closing in on 700M. Hell, you can add BB's DVD sales with its box office and it wouldn't come close to this film. People think 372M is considered a modest blockbuster for a reboot, but (660M...not including China) is a Box Office disappointment?

Some people are comparing ASM BO figures to Raimi's BO and that isn't really fair. Compare it other reboots and ASM is doing well.

 

[sontin]

Batman was never a huge OS franchise until TDK. But with $167 Millions Begins is on the top of all 5 movies.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No.

Nolan just created the best superhero trilogy of all time in many people's eyes... that has more to it than just Ledger.

In fact that statement is just downright degrading of the entire Nolan cast and crew.

"The best superhero trilogy" is small praise. Most superhero trilogies drop the ball by the third film.

But they aren't saying the Nolan trilogy doesn't deserve any praise but that Ledger's Joker elevated the series. I think it's a fair point.

Ledger's Joker is what made the Nolan trilogy an Oscar winning pop culture phenomenon.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Worldwide, Batman Begins (372M) wasn't even a moderate blockbuster. It made a little more than Fantastic Four (330M) worldwide. After this film opens in China it will be closing in on 700M. Hell, you can add BB's DVD sales with its box office and it wouldn't come close to this film. People think 372M is considered a modest blockbuster for a reboot, but (660M...not including China) is a Box Office disappointment?

It made an adjusted 256m domestically which yes indeed qualifies it for blockbuster status esp. on a budget of 150m.

I'm tired of having to quote that article on how studios make their money but domestic profits are indeed more important to studios than foreign profits. So spider-man costing 230m and making 250m+ domestically is not what any studio would really prefer.

No one in the industry denies that begins was a success. WB was very happy with how well Begins performed. I mean look at how superman returns was treated compared to begins. One got a 185m dollar sequel while the other didn't even get a sequel.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Also on the topic of the joker as i agreed the joker played a prominent role in the franchise and why shouldn't he? He's a huge figure in the batman mythos a close 2nd to batman himself perhaps.

Now for TASM's sequel what is their trump card? Because like i mentioned bringing out GG for another go around less that a decade after the last time i don't think this is it.

 

[spider-neil]

It made an adjusted 256m domestically which yes indeed qualifies it for blockbuster status esp. on a budget of 150m.

I'm tired of having to quote that article on how studios make their money but domestic profits are indeed more important to studios than foreign profits.

No one in the industry denies that begins was a success. WB was very happy with how well Begins performed. I mean look at how superman returns was treated compared to begins. One got a 185m dollar sequel while the other didn't even get a sequel.

SR didn't get a sequel because it wasn't well recieved

SR - WW BO 391m
Star Trek - WW BO 385m

Star Trek is getting a sequel and SR is not. I suspect more than anything that this is because of the studio wanted a fresh take to distance themselves from the Donner version (which still looms large) where as the Star Trek studio is pleased with the pubic reception and want to continue on.

 

[spider-neil]

Also on the topic of the joker as i agreed the joker played a prominent role in the franchise and why shouldn't he? He's a huge figure in the batman mythos a close 2nd to batman himself perhaps.

Now for TASM's sequel what is their trump card? Because like i mentioned bringing out GG for another go around less that a decade after the last time i don't think this is it.

Spidey's trump card is they can go with a villian that is new and fresh and wont feel like a retread (Electro? Mysterio?). I can almost guarantee GG wont show up in ASM, Norman will but not his alter ego.

 

[spider-neil]

Spidey does need an ace up his sleeve though because he will be up against X-Men Days of Future Past and there is a strong possibility that will cross over the 2000's X-men with the 60's X-men and that is HUGE.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It made an adjusted 256m domestically which yes indeed qualifies it for blockbuster status esp. on a budget of 150m.

I'm tired of having to quote that article on how studios make their money but domestic profits are indeed more important to studios than foreign profits. So spider-man costing 230m and making 250m+ domestically is not what any studio would really prefer.

No one in the industry denies that begins was a success. WB was very happy with how well Begins performed. I mean look at how superman returns was treated compared to begins. One got a 185m dollar sequel while the other didn't even get a sequel.

If you adjust the box office gross for inflation then you have to adjust the budget too.

and SR had a much bigger budget than BB. That's the only reason it didn't get a sequel.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I'm glad they've rebooted it.
a) I HATED the organics
b) MJ's character was all wrong
c) Spidey's character was all wrong
d) if they redo Venom the tone of this movie actually fits the character far more than the Raimiverse
e) Goblin costume can be done properly plus what Goblin is most famous for can now be seen on the big screen.

Totally agree.

 

[©KAW]

It made an adjusted 256m domestically which yes indeed qualifies it for blockbuster status esp. on a budget of 150m.

I'm tired of having to quote that article on how studios make their money but domestic profits are indeed more important to studios than foreign profits. So spider-man costing 230m and making 250m+ domestically is not what any studio would really prefer.

No one in the industry denies that begins was a success. WB was very happy with how well Begins performed. I mean look at how superman returns was treated compared to begins. One got a 185m dollar sequel while the other didn't even get a sequel.

Yeah, but when BB came out it made 205M, that's so-so when its overseas cume was so incredibly low. Worldwide, a big budget movie making 372M is not considered a blockbuster, unless it's a moderate/low budget film, which BB wasn't.

Yeah, I'm sure domestic is more important, but making 412M overseas ain't nothing to sneeze at. Then there's DVD/TV/Cable rights. I don't mind if Sony suffers a bit, I did through three of their Spider-Man films, regardless of how much they made off them.

Superman Returns didn't deserve a sequel, it didn't deserve a first film. Hell, it even had Donner's score and his cheesy Lex Luthor. Either you continue from the old or reboot completely, I don't know what Superman Returns was.

 

[spider-neil]

Yeah, but when BB came out it made 205M, that's so-so when its overseas cume was so incredibly low. Worldwide, a big budget movie making 372M is not considered a blockbuster, unless it's a moderate/low budget film, which BB wasn't.

Yeah, I'm sure domestic is more important, but making 412M overseas ain't nothing to sneeze at. Then there's DVD/TV/Cable rights. I don't mind if Sony suffers a bit, I did through three of their Spider-Man films, regardless of how much they made off them.

Superman Returns didn't deserve a sequel, it didn't deserve a first film. Hell, it even had Donner's score and his cheesy Lex Luthor. Either you continue from the old or reboot completely, I don't know what Superman Returns was.

Totally agree, they hired a director who was in love with the Donner movie rather than a director who a) love Superman or a) wanted to make his own movie.
The plane sequence was pretty cool but the rest of the movie was very forgettable and the illegitamate child angle

For me the bottom line for a sequel (obviously the bottom line for the studio is money) but for me the bottom line is 'do I want to see these characters again in another adventure?' and with regards to Superman Returns the answer is a resounding 'NO'. It was also for 'NO' for SM4 because as much as I liked Tobey (and I did like him) he looked BORED and Dunst was beyond annoying. Many of the general audience were like, 'well, recast and move on', and I answer, no, because the foundations laid down by Raimi weren't solid, better to start from scratch.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I think the real issue is not so much of how big a BO disappointment it is or isn't? but in that the reaction has been mostly muted.

When launching a big budget reboot franchise i think sony wanted more of an impact to be felt. Look at the impact star trek had. Regardless of its actual box office take it was a movie that got a lot of ppl talking and created an excitement to the brand.

Begins despite being a more moderate blockbuster success itself has been used as the desired template model for pretty much every reboot since.

With TASM aside from the hardcore devotes you don't really feel like it made much of an impact. It's come and gone (well soon enough).

Two reasons-TDKR and TA
Basically a terrible time to release the film

 

[spider-neil]

Two reasons-TDKR and TA
Basically a terrible time to release the film

Maybe, but at least the movie is over hump of the origin story and that was ALWAYS going to be a hard sell.

We'll see how well the Batman reboot goes down.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Worldwide, Batman Begins (372M) wasn't even a moderate blockbuster success. It made a little more than Fantastic Four (330M) worldwide. After this film opens in China it will be closing in on 700M. Hell, you can add BB's DVD sales with its box office and it wouldn't come close to this film. People think 372M is considered a moderate blockbuster for a reboot, but (660M...not including China) is a Box Office disappointment?

 

[Spiderdevil]

It made an adjusted 256m domestically which yes indeed qualifies it for blockbuster status esp. on a budget of 150m.

So the budget doesnt need to be adjusted..interesting

I'm tired of having to quote that article on how studios make their money but domestic profits are indeed more important to studios than foreign profits.

Studios get 55% of the domestic figures compared to 40-45% of the overseas so yeah,there's a difference but not a huge one

No one in the industry denies that begins was a success. WB was very happy with how well Begins performed.

Similarly no one will deny TASM is a success and sony's statement clearly states that they are proud of its numbers

Doing all the calculations and Inflation adjustment(Taking the 55% Domestic and 45% Overseas stat)
BB made 234M from a 190M budget
TASM will make 341M from a 230M budget(Assuming 250M Domestic and 450M Overseas at the end of its run)

Its clear which one has been a bigger success box office wise

 

[spider-neil]

The movie is going to get a sequel so the question with ASM making the least money in the Spidey franchise will they;

a) be more hands on with the sequel *shudder*
b) reduce the budget

 

[sontin]

Why are people comparing Batman Begins with TASM? Begins is the second highest boxoffice movie after Batman'89. TASM will be the lowest one of all 4 Spider-Man movies.