The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah I know...

The Amazing Spider-Man just came and went. Without making so much as a dent on the genre or adding anything siginificant to the Spider-man franchise on the whole.

Lets hope the sequel improves.

It wasn't supposed to add anything that significant to the Spider-Man franchise. It's a reboot.

 

[AF3619]

It wasn't supposed to add anything that significant to the Spider-Man franchise. It's a reboot.

exactly, it´s just the begining of what could be a great trilogy!
i really want news of TASM 2

 

[Picard Sisko]

Batman Begins didn't dent on the genre either. But it was a great setup to the Nolan Batman franchise.

 

[AF3619]

Batman Begins didn't dent on the genre either. But it was a great setup to the Nolan Batman franchise.

but seriously i need some news on the director stuff, because they have in fact less than two years for the sequel and it could become a rushed work

 

[ShadowEdgeworth]

I will never understand why people keep comparing TASM with DKR... It's insane! DKR already has an established presence in the cinema, while Spidey is a rebooted first movie! DKR is the third of its kind in what is probably the greatest Superhero trilogy of all time! IMO comparing the two is ludicrous.

As for the TASM and BB comparison, professional reviews pretty much don't matter, when compared to public opinion. Just look at the popularity of Bay's Transformers movies.

For me, BB may be the better movie, but TASM is by far the more enjoyable movie and really doesn't deserve all the negativity being hurled upon it.

At least TASM didn't turn into another Green Lantern or Ghost Rider, which is what could have happened. At the end of the day, the movie's still a moderate success, which is more than anyone can ask given the circumstances.

As I said before, the money's in the sequel. But I fear that may just evoke unfavourable comparisons to TDK now, rather than be judged primarily against its own kind. (SM2)

As for underwealming being the general consensus? Hell no. I think the reception of the movie has been way too positive to call the consensus underwealming. I think the vast majority can agree that Garfield and Stone, and most possibly Ifans, Leary and Sheen were excellent in their roles.

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[Spiderdevil]

I hardly think that Batman Begins can be considered particularly bad by anyone's standards. Aesthetic preferences may differ but Begins is structurally very sound, more so than TASM.

It is average at best
Because of TDK it gets undeserved praise

 

[Spiderdevil]

Nope.

Which got better reviews?

Thats because unlike TASM,nobody expected anything from a Batman movie so they were surprised when it turned out to be average

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Batman Begins started the current reboot trend, showed that a darker more realistic superhero film could work (something they tried to copy with The Amazing Spider-Man), and at the time was widely regarded as the best superhero movie ever (later passed by its sequel).

It was a very influential film.

 

[Spiderdevil]

And it's my opinion that he challenged. Nobody was even talking about BB so if he wants to throw BB in the mix now...I'm gonna use some unbiased source.

Arent we discussing the first movie of a reboot? It makes sense to compare it to BB

My point being,BB was an average movie at best.TASM highs are much better than that but I agree in terms of Flaws BB has less compared to TASM

But its not fair to expect TASM to be out of the world when BB wasnt

 

[Picard Sisko]

I will never understand why people keep comparing TASM with DKR... It's insane! DKR already has an established presence in the cinema, while Spidey is a rebooted first movie! DKR is the third of its kind in what is probably the greatest Superhero trilogy of all time! IMO comparing the two is ludicrous.

As for the TASM and BB comparison, professional reviews pretty much don't matter, when compared to public opinion. Just look at the popularity of Bay's Transformers movies.

For me, BB may be the better movie, but TASM is by far the more enjoyable movie and really doesn't deserve all the negativity being hurled upon it.

At least TASM didn't turn into another Green Lantern or Ghost Rider, which is what could have happened. At the end of the day, the movie's still a moderate success, which is more than anyone can ask given the circumstances.

As I said before, the money's in the sequel. But I fear that may just evoke unfavourable comparisons to TDK now, rather than be judged primarily against its own kind. (SM2)

As for underwealming being the general consensus? Hell no. I think the reception of the movie has been way too positive to call the consensus underwealming. I think the vast majority can agree that Garfield and Stone, and most possibly Ifans, Leary and Sheen were excellent in their roles.

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It is average at best
Because of TDK it gets undeserved praise

 

[Spiderdevil]

The keyword here is most people. Not a few people.

So let's check out Rotten Tomatoes and see what they say.

The Dark Knight Rises - 87% Positive, Average Rating 8/10
The Amazing Spider-Man - 73% Positive, Average Rating 6.7/10

Rotten Tomatoes User Reviews

The Dark Knight Rises - 92% Positive, Average Rating 4.5/5
The Amazing Spider-Man - 81% Positive, Average Rating 4/5

How about Metacritic?

The Dark Knight Rises - 78/100
The Amazing Spider-Man - 66/100

Let's check the opinion of this very board using the Best Superhero Movie of the Summer Poll in the Misc Films Folder.

The Amazing Spider-Man - 3.92%
The Avengers - 41.67%
The Dark Knight Rises - 54.51%

IMDB User Ratings?

The Dark Knight Rises 8.9/10
The Amazing Spider-Man 7.6/10

Based on the evidence the assertion that most people think that The Amazing Spider-Man is better than The Dark Knight Rises is a blatant falsehood.

You didnt even see my point
I consider TDKR better my self but it isnt a whole lot better or of a different league like Anno says.As I said before,TDKR is as much better than TASM as TA is from TDKR
My Ratings
TASM- 8/10
TDKR- 8.5/10
TA 9/10

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Arent we discussing the first movie of a reboot? It makes sense to compare it to BB

My point being,BB was an average movie at best.TASM highs are much better than that but I agree in terms of Flaws BB has less compared to TASM

But its not fair to expect TASM to be out of the world when BB wasnt

Again, Batman Begins was widely regarded as being the best superhero film ever at the time of its release. At the very least it was in the top two with Spider-Man 2. Batman Begins as a film accomplished more and was much better than Amazing Spider-Man.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Again, Batman Begins was widely regarded as being the best superhero film ever at the time of its release. At the very least it was in the top two with Spider-Man 2. Batman Begins as a film accomplished more and was much better than Amazing Spider-Man.

I don't recall it being regarded as the best superhero film ever.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Just wanted to share this about Joss Whedon which is really interesting:


He says the first two Spider-Man movies are unmatched, and prefers Batman Begins over the Dark Knight.

EDIT:

URL won't copy and paste for some reason.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Batman Begins started the current reboot trend, showed that a darker more realistic superhero film could work (something they tried to copy with The Amazing Spider-Man)

No

and at the time was widely regarded as the best superhero movie ever (later passed by its sequel).

By whom?
It doesnt hold a torch in front of SM1 let alone SM2

 

[Spiderdevil]

Again, Batman Begins was widely regarded as being the best superhero film ever at the time of its release. At the very least it was in the top two with Spider-Man 2. Batman Begins as a film accomplished more and was much better than Amazing Spider-Man.

No one considered it the best superhero movie
The Action is horrendous and thats the least people expect from a superhero movie

You would expect the 'Best superhero movie ever' to gross atleast 400M

 

[Picard Sisko]

Amazing Spider-Man did not try to "copy" the darker/realistic tone of Nolan's Batman. Nothing about TASM was like BB.

 

[Picard Sisko]

No




By whom?
It doesnt hold a torch in front of SM1 let alone SM2

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Batman Begins started the current reboot trend, showed that a darker more realistic superhero film could work (something they tried to copy with The Amazing Spider-Man), and at the time was widely regarded as the best superhero movie ever (later passed by its sequel).

It was a very influential film.

Pretty much... yeah.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I dont even care,TA and TDKR were supposed to to be doing better than it financially.We are talking about a conclusion movie and a movie having 5 movies behind it.
If someone is being dissapointing,it is TDKR,it was supposed to be breaking TA's record and it will now fall a whooping 400M behind TA's earnings,not even a comparison
Which is why you are forced to compare in to TASM which is without doubt the second most successful reboot after Star Trek(BB is far behind)

"It was supposed to be breaking TA's record."

No, no it wasn't.

Where do you get your info from?

And...again, you still defend some poster. I am not comparing anything. Those posters who talked about TAS-M beating TDKR were

People I've met in real life

So you know every single person on the planet then?

I mean...if "most people" think this way, then I guess you have asked 7 billion people?

In terms of expectations,Yes TASM has beaten TDKR.People expected TASM to do 700M at it has done that.Even the most optimistic lot expected around 800M and it is just 100M short of that compared to TDKR being TA being 400M short of TA's 1.5 billion,the mark it was supposed to break

As I said TDKR will end up around SM3's mark(adjusted for inflation),Dissapointing imo

Expectations? People expected TAS-M to make MORE domestically. And yah, I get how you don't care for the US, but that's fact. It was expected to make more in the states, and it didn't.

And again...who the hell said it would beat Avengers?

TAS-M is a lot lot better than BB
If TAS-M is Mediocre,BB is ****

TAS-M is truly mediocre...but BB is ****? Hah! Without BB there wouldn't be a TAS-M, fact.

 

[AF3619]

Batman vs Spiderman?

 

[Picard Sisko]

TAS-M is truly mediocre...but BB is ****? Hah! Without BB there wouldn't be a TAS-M, fact.

TASM being mediocre is your opinion. One problem with these boards is that everyone states their opinions as if they are facts.

And without BB, there would have still been some Spider-Man reboot. FACT. Sony could not afford to lose the rights to Spider-Man, so they made another movie.

 

[Anno_Domini]

You didnt even see my point
I consider TDKR better my self but it isnt a whole lot better or of a different league like Anno says.As I said before,TDKR is as much better than TASM as TA is from TDKR
My Ratings
TASM- 8/10
TDKR- 8.5/10
TA 9/10

That's where you fail. While Kahran Ramsus gives a detail outline of what many people think, you assume TAS-M is better just because of your rating.

 

[Picard Sisko]

What happened to this thread being about the box office? It turned into everyone arguing which movie is better.

 

[Anno_Domini]

TASM being mediocre is your opinion. One problem with these boards is that everyone states their opinions as if they are facts.

Only agreeing with Spiderdevil.

And without BB, there would have still been some Spider-Man reboot. FACT. Sony could not afford to lose the rights to Spider-Man, so they made another movie.

The nature of TAS-M is because off BB. FACT. A reboot would have just been as giddy as Raimi's without Nolan's inspiration reboot.