The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[JKKS085]

As I've been saying,the popularity isnt the same as it was in 2007

Sure but like I said Iron Man wasn't a popular (or even known) character back in 2008, and yet the movie grossed over 300 millions on its own merits.
Spider-Man is a well known superhero in a genre that is getting more and more fans every year (The Avengers being the best selling comic book movie ever). Its huge domestic drop with this last installment remains alarming.

As for domestic earnings,it was a terrible time to release the movie,between two superhero heavy weights
People will definitely go see the TA and TDKR and you cant expect them to watch 3 superhero movies in a span of 2 months
I Believe had this movie been released near september or october,it would have crossed 300M

I always thought the release date wasn't a clever move on Sony's part. They should have taken a december spot, especially when WB rescheduled Man of Steel for a June 2013 release.

You keep on bringing in Batman and Robin to make BB's numbers look good but I am not buying it,this is the same franchise which earned 420M from only a 35M budget

Yes, 16 years prior to Batman Begins that was only preceded by two poorly received movies. And Batman 89 remains the most profitable comic book movie of all times (including The Dark Knight and Avengers). So you think it's not fair to compare TASM to Spider-Man but totally OK to compare Batman Begins to Batman 89 ?

It shouldnt report losses at all,its the third movie of the franchise,not the first

Agreed. But the movie suffers from the same disadvantage as TASM. It's production budget is just too high for it's domestic figures (or projected domestic figures when it comes to TDKR). Then again TDKR side revenues will probably cover the loss sooner than TASM's (wich with almost no revenue from merchandise will have to wait for home video grosses). But just like TASM, TDKR should've done better. Though the stakes are higher for Spider-Man since the franchise is to be continued.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Agreed. But the movie suffers from the same disadvantage as TASM. It's production budget is just too high for it's domestic figures (or projected domestic figures when it comes to TDKR). Then again TDKR side revenues will probably cover the loss sooner than TASM's (wich with almost no revenue from merchandise will have to wait for home video grosses). But just like TASM, TDKR should've done better. Though the stakes are higher for Spider-Man since the franchise is to be continued.

Well, to be fair, TASM didn't have a major shooting occur at one of it's showings. That caused many theaters in major cities to shut down showings of TDKR (and in some cases the entire theater) in fear of a copycat incident, and there have already been articles about people who have decided not to go to the movie with their kids because they're afraid of something similar happening again. Sure it's an irrational fear because we all know this is an isolated incident and not likely to have something similar happen anytime soon, but it's the expected kind of reaction.

So that obviously hurt TDKR opening weekend(s). Though I would also factor in the Olympics starting this weekend. Poor planning on that one.

 

[milesalpha]

I guarantee that 15% number is suspect. The only thing I can find says specifically that it is only China where the studios only get 15% because they must use a domestic distributor there:



I really don't know why anyone would believe that studios only make 15% overseas. They make entire movies that are intended to make most of their gross overseas.

Well, mainly because it is more or less true. Several have posted articles backing this, here is yet another one...

http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable

Here's another detailing where the real profit is made, the back end (DVD and beyond...

http://www.npr.org/2010/04/01/124535538/crunching-numbers-in-the-hollywood-economy

There's a much higher cost to doing business overseas. Right off the bat, all new prints for each area would be a killer.

What I learned from the articles, is that in the era of digital prints, studios are screwing us.

 

[JKKS085]

The 40/45 % number is true though.
But it's what they take in before expenses.

 

[Jexx]

Sony and distributors, predictably, yanked another 600 theaters from TAS run, bringing the total to over 1100 screens pulled since it opened. Ted lost only 50 screens and the two are now about equal. Ted's genre competiton (The Watch) looks incredibly weak, TAS's competition, not so much. With TAS managing only 601.00 per screen, even with so many less theatres to fill, the writing is on the wall.

So.. if Sony is pulling the movie from theaters, does that mean they are happy with the money that they got from the movie?

Or do they have to pay theaters to show the movie?

 

[TheLastBlade]

This is ice age 4 all over again... Dammit...

 

[spider-neil]

'meh'.

It's made enough for a sequel, the sooner this movie is on Blu ray now, the better.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I guarantee that 15% number is suspect. The only thing I can find says specifically that it is only China where the studios only get 15% because they must use a domestic distributor there:



I really don't know why anyone would believe that studios only make 15% overseas. They make entire movies that are intended to make most of their gross overseas.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Sure but like I said Iron Man wasn't a popular (or even known) character back in 2008, and yet the movie grossed over 300 millions on its own merits.

Because IM1 was a fantastic film,it had very less flaws compared to TASM and it wasnt a rebooted character
I am pretty sure the reboot of Iron man would have a very hard time since it will have to better a great series,just like TASM

Yes, 16 years prior to Batman Begins that was only preceded by two poorly received movies. And Batman 89 remains the most profitable comic book movie of all times (including The Dark Knight and Avengers). So you think it's not fair to compare TASM to Spider-Man but totally OK to compare Batman Begins to Batman 89 ?

It isnt fair to compare a rebooted franchise to the previous installment
Glad we got that cleared

 

[Spiderdevil]

The 40/45 % number is true though.
But it's what they take in before expenses.

Which expenses? Marketing?

Going by the 45% calculation TASM would have made about 345M by the end of its run(If we assume 250M Domestic and 450M overseas)

Thats comfortably into profit

 

[Anno_Domini]

Much like TDKR, I believe TAS-M will get a lot of money from DVD/Blu-ray sales though, so who cares if it's down to #6.

 

[Jexx]

I know I'm gonna buy the Nolanverse box set when it comes out.

 

[spider-neil]

I know I'm gonna buy the Nolanverse box set when it comes out.

I actually own BB and TDK but I will splash out on the trilogy box set, providing it has a nice over and more extras.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I'm hoping for some extras on Ledger and showing other scenes they filmed of him as Joker. Or perhaps an extra of them filming Eckhart and Ledger going to lunch in their make-up as reported before.

 

[JKKS085]

Which expenses? Marketing?

Going by the 45% calculation TASM would have made about 345M by the end of its run(If we assume 250M Domestic and 450M overseas)

Thats comfortably into profit

The Hollywood Economist states that studios take in 40% of overseas ticket sales. And from those revenues you have to deduce what they paid and/or have to pay for foreign advertising, prints, taxes, insurance, translations, dubbing, foreign trade dues, currency conversion ... Once those expenses are deducted, the studios' share is about 15% of what was reported as overseas gross.

Then again THE also says that when it comes to big licenses and blockbusters, the money studios take in from their movies' theatrical run is about barely 21% of the overall revenue the movie generates.

Wich reminds me something Alex Ford said while developing the screenplay for a Superman movie at the end of the 90's, after Burton left Superman Lives: "It is a business, and what's more important, the $150 million at the box office or the $600 million in merchandising?"

 

[spider-neil]

I used to care about who got the biggest box office but now all I care about is the movie making enough for a sequel with a decent budget, if fact if I like a movie I wasnt it on Blu ray asap.

 

[JKKS085]

double post

 

[Anno_Domini]

I used to care about who got the biggest box office but now all I care about is the movie making enough for a sequel with a decent budget, if fact if I like a movie I wasnt it on Blu ray asap.

But you would have been happy if Ice Age 4 didn't top TAS-M, correct?

 

[TheLastBlade]

But you would have been happy if Ice Age 4 didn't top TAS-M, correct?

I know I would... Those movies stopped mattering after the first one.

 

[sontin]

I don't even understand how Ted jumped up.

TASM only appears to a small number of people. And with Batman they have a new movie to watch.

TASM's 3rd weekend is even lower than SM3's fifth. Thx to 3D is only 70 Millions behind SM3 and not 85-100 Millions after 25 days.

 

[Jexx]

Err.. are you sure TASM only appeals to a small amount of people?

..wait, don't answer that.

 

[TheLastBlade]

Err.. are you sure TASM only appeals to a small amount of people?

..wait, don't answer that.

Okay, even I'm pretty sure that isn't true... The only people that say that are pretty much Sam Raimi fans... And those movies werent that good.

Now if we're talking about viewings, people pretty much have already seen it.

 

[Jexx]

Err.. I told him not to answer the question based on his post history.

He pretty much hates the movie and sees no real good in it.

 

[TheLastBlade]

So he's into Sam Raimi? My god xD

 

[grieven]

It's looking to me like Sony has the best chance among the major studios to finish the year with the biggest domestic gross. TAS, MIB3, etc, have put them in strong 2nd place currently behind Disney (Avengers), and Sony has the strongest slate of upcoming films for the rest of the year. The main threat is WB, who has Hobbit coming out in December, but it may release too late in the year to catch Sony & Skyfall for 2012.

Fox & Paramount are having a wretched year.

Listed below are the major studios' domestic gross through 7/24/12, along with each studio's remaining releases for 2012.

http://boxofficemojo.com/studio/

1 Buena Vista 16.3% $1,058.6
The Odd Life of Timothy Green Buena Vista 8/15/12
Finding Nemo (in 3D) Buena Vista 9/14/12
Frankenweenie Buena Vista 10/5/12
Wreck-It Ralph Buena Vista 11/2/12
Lincoln Buena Vista 11/9/12
Monsters, Inc. (in 3D) Buena Vista 12/19/12

2 Sony / Columbia 15.4% $1,001.4
Total Recall (2012) Sony / Columbia 8/3/12
Hope Springs Sony / Columbia 8/8/12
Sparkle (2012) TriStar 8/17/12
Premium Rush Sony / Columbia 8/24/12
Resident Evil: Retribution Sony / Screen Gems 9/14/12
Hotel Transylvania (in 3D) Sony / Columbia 9/28/12
Looper TriStar 9/28/12
Here Comes the Boom Sony / Columbia 10/12/12
Skyfall Sony / Columbia 11/9/12
Untitled Kathryn Bigelow Sony / Columbia 12/19/12

3 Universal 15.0% $973.5
The Bourne Legacy Universal 8/10/12
Pitch Perfect Universal 10/5/12
The Man with the Iron Fists Universal 11/2/12
Les Miserables (2012) Universal 12/14/12
This Is 40 Universal 12/21/12

4 Warner Bros. 13.8% $896.0
The Campaign Warner Bros. 8/10/12
The Apparition Warner Bros. 8/24/12
Trouble with the Curve (tentative title) Warner Bros. 9/28/12
Argo Warner Bros. 10/12/12
Cloud Atlas Warner Bros. 10/26/12
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey Warner Bros. 12/14/12
The Great Gatsby (2012) Warner Bros. 12/25/12

5 Lionsgate 9.8% $636.3
The Expendables 2 Lionsgate 8/17/12
The Possession Lionsgate 8/31/12
Dredd Lionsgate 9/21/12
The Big Wedding Lionsgate 10/26/12

6 20th Century Fox 9.3% $603.2
Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Dog Days Fox 8/3/12
Won't Back Down Fox 9/28/12 Taken 2 Fox 10/5/12
Chasing Mavericks Fox 10/26/12
Life of Pi Fox 11/21/12
Parental Guidance Fox 11/21/12

7 Paramount 8.9% $575.8
Paranormal Activity 4 Paramount 10/19/12
Fun Size Paramount 10/26/12 Flight Paramount 11/2/12
Rise of the Guardians Paramount (DreamWorks) 11/21/12
Cirque Du Soleil: Worlds Away Paramount 12/21/12
Jack Reacher Paramount 12/21/12
The Guilt Trip Paramount 12/25/12