The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[Themanofbat]

Which isn't bad. Honestly, this whole debate is pretty ridiculous and meaningless. So what if the new Spider-Man series is sub-$1b? $700m is still great and nothing short of amazing earnings especially for a movie that has received as much criticism as this reboot.

You're somewhat right... I personally don't care what the others think... my initial point was the $252 domestic... which seems awfully low TO ME considering that it's a "Spider-Man" movie...

We've all read the arguments in this board about the foreign moneys, and the percentages are lower, and how long it takes for Sony to get those dollars, blah, blah, blah...

That's why I tend to look at the domestic... hell, I would bet that most of us on this board are North Amercan... and I would rather see the dollars switched ($450 dom., $250 for.), because that might mean something in regards to the widespread thought of how "good" (and I put "good" in quotes, because BO certainly doesn't ALWAYS equate to a good movie...), and typically, when a movie is "good", with "good" WOM, you can see those weekly low percentage drops... and unfortunately, we haven't seen those drops with this movie... IN MY OPINION... and the end result is what I would call a SUB-PAR DOMESTIC Box Office total... and yes, I think that $250+ million is SUB-PAR for a Spider-Man movie... reboot or not...

 

[Picard Sisko]

You're somewhat right... I personally don't care what the others think... my initial point was the $252 domestic... which seems awfully low TO ME considering that it's a "Spider-Man" movie...

We've all read the arguments in this board about the foreign moneys, and the percentages are lower, and how long it takes for Sony to get those dollars, blah, blah, blah...

That's why I tend to look at the domestic... hell, I would bet that most of us on this board are North Amercan... and I would rather see the dollars switched ($450 dom., $250 for.), because that might mean something in regards to the widespread thought of how "good" (and I put "good" in quotes, because BO certainly doesn't ALWAYS equate to a good movie...), and typically, when a movie is "good", with "good" WOM, you can see those weekly low percentage drops... and unfortunately, we haven't seen those drops with this movie... IN MY OPINION... and the end result is what I would call a SUB-PAR DOMESTIC Box Office total... and yes, I think that $250+ million is SUB-PAR for a Spider-Man movie... reboot or not...

A reboot has A LOT to do with it.

 

[lordofthenerds]

A reboot has A LOT to do with it.

Yup. Just take a look at Batman Begins' numbers. Subpar numbers for a Batman movie even though many think of it as a great film.

 

[LegendAssemble]

TDK is a unique case. That film had a tragic event, topped with a performance hyped to have been one of the best film performances ever in a film on top of the return of one of the most popular characters in pop culture coming back to the big screen for the first time in nearly 20 years. Ledger was a big part of it, but it was more than that. Plus, Nolan is being hyped as the next big named director. Webb currently is not.

Im just saying if anyone else died, it wouldn't have had the same impact because he was playing such an iconic character and he gave such a great performance. It also didn't help that after watching Spider-Man 2 again, this movie really felt like a let down.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yup. Just take a look at Batman Begins' numbers. Subpar numbers for a Batman movie even though many think of it as a great film.

Exactly.

 

[spider-neil]

And for a film's sequel to increase in BO revenue, it has to be well received. This movie got a decent reception, but far from great. Movies with decent reception don't become billion dollar franchises. They stay at their equilibrium.

Transformers - 57% Rotten Tomatoes

WW - 709m

Transformers 2 - 20% RT

WW - 836m

Transformers 3 - 35% RT

WW - 1.1b

 

[TheLastBlade]

Transformers - 57% Rotten Tomatoes

WW - 709m

Transformers 2 - 20% RT

WW - 836m

Transformers 3 - 35% RT

WW - 1.1b

Ooooooooooooohhh burn!

 

[Spider-Fan]

Transformers - 57% Rotten Tomatoes

WW - 709m

Transformers 2 - 20% RT

WW - 836m

Transformers 3 - 35% RT

WW - 1.1b

You're giving me critics scores to make a point because? Critics don't spend money on these movies. People do, and people spent tons on these movies, so yes...the masses liked them, whether people want to admit it or not.

 

[spider-neil]

For the record 81% (on Rotten Tomato) of the general audience liked the movie.

90% of the general audience liked BB.

Two points I want to make;
1. I have not a shadow of doubt in my mind that if Raimi's trilogy didn't exist ASM would have rated higher amoung both the general audience and professional critics alike.

2. There is no way on this green earth Batman's BO went from 400m worldwide to over a billion because of Batman Begins alone. It was a combination of BB, Batman's iconic nemesis, Ledger's steller performance and Ledger's death.

I can a list as long as your where the 3rd movie in the franchise made more than the second and that is unlikely going to happen with TDKR because the catalyst for TDK explosive BO return was Joker/Ledger.

 

[spider-neil]

You're giving me critics scores to make a point because? Critics don't spend money on these movies. People do, and people spent tons on these movies, so yes...the masses liked them, whether people want to admit it or not.

General audience rating for Tranformers - 89%
General audience rating for ASM - 81%

 

[Spider-Fan]

General audience rating for Tranformers - 89%
General audience rating for ASM - 81%

Point being? I never said people didn't like the movie. What I said was nobody is telling anyone to go out of their way to see it, like they have with the 2 big films this summer. Once again, I didn't say people hated it. I said WOM for it is just decent. There is a big difference between what I said and what the percentages you're posting are trying to prove. These percentages prove less than box office percentage drops and such do.

 

[Mr. Dent]

You're somewhat right... I personally don't care what the others think... my initial point was the $252 domestic... which seems awfully low TO ME considering that it's a "Spider-Man" movie...

We've all read the arguments in this board about the foreign moneys, and the percentages are lower, and how long it takes for Sony to get those dollars, blah, blah, blah...

That's why I tend to look at the domestic... hell, I would bet that most of us on this board are North Amercan... and I would rather see the dollars switched ($450 dom., $250 for.), because that might mean something in regards to the widespread thought of how "good" (and I put "good" in quotes, because BO certainly doesn't ALWAYS equate to a good movie...), and typically, when a movie is "good", with "good" WOM, you can see those weekly low percentage drops... and unfortunately, we haven't seen those drops with this movie... IN MY OPINION... and the end result is what I would call a SUB-PAR DOMESTIC Box Office total... and yes, I think that $250+ million is SUB-PAR for a Spider-Man movie... reboot or not...

These are international corporations we're talking about. Even if their "main" (very light emphasis on main) base of operations is in America they have a presence in every single country these films are being released in. You really think they're hurting to get this money back? They have methods around all the bureaucracy that would on paper hold the money back from getting into their hands and wouldn't be able to greenlight sequels to be released with only a year gap in-between the original film otherwise. And if we were only going to look at domestic gross then we might as well do that with every movie to get an appropriate scale of what success is. Let's not forget nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems. Generally even if a movie only makes back just over $5m of its budget domestically it still gets greenlighted for a sequel. The bar for success isn't as high as people think. BO number are only a fraction of the money these films actually generate.

A reboot has A LOT to do with it.

Yup. Just take a look at Batman Begins' numbers. Subpar numbers for a Batman movie even though many think of it as a great film.

Im just saying if anyone else died, it wouldn't have had the same impact because he was playing such an iconic character and he gave such a great performance. It also didn't help that after watching Spider-Man 2 again, this movie really felt like a let down.

Exactly.

Can you guys not see this is going in a complete circle...

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Can you guys not see this is going in a complete circle...

I believe in Mr. Dent

 

[AF3619]

I believe in Mr. Dent

I ALSO believe in Mr.Dent

 

[Picard Sisko]

Mr. Dent, you are right. Everyone must stop now. Is there any way a moderator can put a stop to these arguments?

 

[Arach Knight]

Can we have it so that the next person who compares this film with any other film has their post deleted? Afterome warning, perhaps this topic can be closed? How many pages can e wasted om arguingabout the same sales data and the same Batman movie????

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't see anything wrong with the discussion, as it has been civil and relevant to discussing the box office for TASM. When this becomes a "my movie rocked, your's sucked and made less money lolz!" type argument. Then I will get involved.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well then I'm done with this thread. I'm tired of people arguing over which is more successful than the other.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's a box office thread. Comparing the box office of this movie relative to itself and other movies is part of what goes into this type of thread.

 

[solidsnake86]

All things considered this movie has done very well. I mean this was a reboot to a trilogy that (besides spider-man 3 that everyone likes to bash) was genuinely loved by a lot of people. To reboot with an entire new cast, do an origin story again, I would say the money its made is great.

 

[Zant]

It seems some people are desperate to undermine how well the movie has done.

 

[spider-neil]

It seems some people are desperate to undermine how well the movie has done.

absolutely DESPARATE.

700m + is a lock for a movie that;
a) retold the origin
b) reboot an absolutely BELOVED franchise
c) came out TWO WEEKS for TDKR

 

[Spiderdevil]

You're slow.
When I said "more", I meant more than TAS-M. $55 million > $22 million.

It will end around 260M i.e 30M more than its budget
I dont see how 15M can make a huge difference

To give you an example..Even fantastic 4 earned 55M more than its budget,I guess it is as good as BB then

And don't bring up the foreign numbers for your defense because I am aware of those numbers. We're talking about the domestic numbers at the moment.
Yah, great, so domestically TAS-M is doing a stand up job between the two, but worldwide grosses, not so much, which I am referring to on this one. Seriously, I bring up one gross and you bring up the other. Stay on track with what I'm talking about dude.

So you bring up domestic and world wide as and when you want
When I compare it to BB with foreign income you go 'Hey I know its done so well overseas I am compaing domestic numbers and its a failure imo'
And when I show domestic numbers to show superiority over IC4 you go 'I am talking about world wide gross yada yada yada'
I will give you an example,BB and Madagascar released the same year and Madagascar outgrossed BB aswell,there ya go

No...but I am pleased that the realistic posters are at least aware of this FACT. Maybe you should too?

In reality every comic book movie release takes inspiration from the previous one released and learns or tries to learn from its mistakes and achievements
So if you admit BB took inspiration from SM1,Im willing to admit TASM took inspiration from BB

Valid.

Says some one who thinks it fine that the whole of MCU drops dead at the bomb blast and the Joker stands fine
You are one biased person,I am yet to meet someone so heavily biased

 

[Spiderdevil]

[QUOTE

And for a film's sequel to increase in BO revenue, it has to be well received.This movie got a decent reception, but far from great. Movies with decent reception don't become billion dollar franchises. They stay at their equilibrium

One word-Transformers

Better received in my sentence=Better received by the critics
The critics dont help it make money,the general audience does.And the general audience prefers it as much as BB which is clear from the audience rating on RT and TASM making double the amount BB made

As for the drop argument,Even Deathly Hallows Part 1 suffered steep drops and that didnt stop Part 2 to outgross it by a large margin.So that logic sinks into deep water.BB had a minuscle opening to start with,so it wouldnt have suffered large drops which bigger openings tend to suffer

And TDK making a billion dollars had very very little do to with BB.It made so much money because it was an excellent film,and the untimely death and stellar performance of Heath Ledger

All TASM needs now is a good script and a strong performance by whoever plays the villian and it will easily gross 800M+
Its still a long way to go but TASM2 has as much chance(if not more) to do a billion as TDK had before filming

In regard to the general public, yes it was. The film is only hated by us on here and critics. And once again, I did NOT say BO = quality. What I said was BO determines public interest and how well the general public liked it. Those are two different things. Quality is in the eye of the beholder. But, films that people by and large hated don't make money.

And the general interest is there in TASM,most of the people I met,loved the film
While majority of the people I know saw BB after TDK

But, the fact all those films made tons of money shows that even after people saw the previous film, there was MORE interest in the sequel. That shows a gain in the audience, not a decline. So yes, people by and large liked them enough to keep seeing the next film

What makes you say there is no interest in TASM?
680M says other wise
The film has already established the tone,the cast and made its fan base which was negligible before the movie released

Avengers was also marketed brilliantly

And you assume TASM2 wont be..makes sense

TASM2 is just another Spider-Man movie

So was TDK,another Batman movie
So by your logic its fair to say TA2 wont be a big deal?

 

[Spiderdevil]

You're somewhat right... I personally don't care what the others think... my initial point was the $252 domestic... which seems awfully low TO ME considering that it's a "Spider-Man" movie...

We've all read the arguments in this board about the foreign moneys, and the percentages are lower, and how long it takes for Sony to get those dollars, blah, blah, blah...

That's why I tend to look at the domestic... hell, I would bet that most of us on this board are North Amercan... and I would rather see the dollars switched ($450 dom., $250 for.), because that might mean something in regards to the widespread thought of how "good" (and I put "good" in quotes, because BO certainly doesn't ALWAYS equate to a good movie...), and typically, when a movie is "good", with "good" WOM, you can see those weekly low percentage drops... and unfortunately, we haven't seen those drops with this movie... IN MY OPINION... and the end result is what I would call a SUB-PAR DOMESTIC Box Office total... and yes, I think that $250+ million is SUB-PAR for a Spider-Man movie... reboot or not...

If 252M is subpar what is 205M?

And Batman is supposed to make more money in the domestic market