The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[Spiderdevil]

You're giving me critics scores to make a point because? Critics don't spend money on these movies. People do, and people spent tons on these movies, so yes...the masses liked them, whether people want to admit it or not.

And why are you assuming that the masses dont like TASM?

 

[Spiderdevil]

Point being? I never said people didn't like the movie. What I said was nobody is telling anyone to go out of their way to see it, like they have with the 2 big films this summer. Once again, I didn't say people hated it. I said WOM for it is just decent. There is a big difference between what I said and what the percentages you're posting are trying to prove. These percentages prove less than box office percentage drops and such do.

Nobody went out of their way to see Batman Begins
As a matter of fact nobody goes 'out of their way' to see the first movie of a franchise,much lesser if its a reboot

As for the drops,Look at the last 2 parts of Harry Potter

 

[spider-neil]

Nobody went out of their way to see Batman Begins
As a matter of fact nobody goes 'out of their way' to see the first movie of a franchise,much lesser if its a reboot

As for the drops,Look at the last 2 parts of Harry Potter

To be fair people came out in numbers for Spider-Man in 2002.

 

[sontin]

To be fair people came out in numbers for Spider-Man in 2002.

Or for Casino Royal in 2006.

 

[Spiderdevil]

To be fair people came out in numbers for Spider-Man in 2002.

Yeah thats one exception

Or for Casino Royal in 2006.

TASM Has outgrossed it big time

 

[Spider-Fan]

Nobody went out of their way to see Batman Begins
As a matter of fact nobody goes 'out of their way' to see the first movie of a franchise,much lesser if its a reboot

As for the drops,Look at the last 2 parts of Harry Potter

Not to harp on BB, but yes people did. Public interest in the movie increased when it was out, hence the low drops. TASM's interest level didn't increase. It stayed at equilibrium (hence the steeper drops). In the case of the Potter films, those made so much in their opening weekends, a steep drop was almost assured. Most movies with that large of an opening drop off because everyone rushed to see it immediately (once again, this is MOST not all). Hence why DHP2 made about as much as TASM in like 5 or 6 days (can't remember which) and it only took it 3 days.

Once I again, I never said people HATED this movie. Everyone saying I said that are putting words in my mouth. What I have SAID was that this movie didn't get great WOM. That's not the same thing. The movie has decent word of mouth, which is why it didn't collapse the way movies like Ang Lee's Hulk or Green Lantern. But, at the same time, this movie isn't getting the repeat viewings more highly regarded CBM movies get. You can see that in the math.

 

[Themanofbat]

If 252M is subpar what is 205M?

And Batman is supposed to make more money in the domestic market

Sigh...

Why do you guys insist on bringing Batman into a fight? I didn't do it...

Obviously, $205 million is a sub-par BO for a Batman movie... but I was discussing the new Spider-Man movie... please keep up...

 

[Spiderdevil]

Not to harp on BB, but yes people did. Public interest in the movie increased when it was out, hence the low drops. TASM's interest level didn't increase. It stayed at equilibrium (hence the steeper drops).

You are not understanding the word 'Competition'
TDKR came out about 2 weeks later
I dont think BB would have made anything had a movie like SM3 came out 2 weeks after its release

In the case of the Potter films, those made so much in their opening weekends, a steep drop was almost assured.

Same thing with TASM and BB comparison
TASM's opening week was more than 3 times larger than BB,Steeper drops were expected

Once I again, I never said people HATED this movie. Everyone saying I said that are putting words in my mouth. What I have SAID was that this movie didn't get great WOM. That's not the same thing. The movie has decent word of mouth, which is why it didn't collapse the way movies like Ang Lee's Hulk or Green Lantern. But, at the same time, this movie isn't getting the repeat viewings more highly regarded CBM movies get. You can see that in the math.

BB got repeat viewings? Not really
The word of mouth is same as that of BB,as I said rated 4/5 in comparison to 3.9/5 on RT

P.S-I may Irritate you with the BB comparison but that really the only movie which will be a fair comparison

 

[Spiderdevil]

Sigh...

Why do you guys insist on bringing Batman into a fight? I didn't do it...

Obviously, $205 million is a sub-par BO for a Batman movie... but I was discussing the new Spider-Man movie... please keep up...

Well people around here keep thinking 205M is out of the world when it really is Pathetic

To give a fair analysis of TASM's domestic run
SM3 made 336M domestically,a realistic prediction would have 50M less than that i.e 285M
TASM will make about 260M at the end of its run i.e 25M short of its target
Not exactly a problem when it actually exceeded expectations on the foreign market

 

[Spider-Fan]

You are not understanding the word 'Competition'
TDKR came out about 2 weeks later
I dont think BB would have made anything had a movie like SM3 came out 2 weeks after its release


Same thing with TASM and BB comparison
TASM's opening week was more than 3 times larger than BB,Steeper drops were expected




BB got repeat viewings? Not really
The word of mouth is same as that of BB,as I said rated 4/5 in comparison to 3.9/5 on RT

P.S-I may Irritate you with the BB comparison but that really the only movie which will be a fair comparison

TASM's opening wasn't so large a steep drop had to happen. It easily could have held better percentages in subsequent weeks. As for competition, yes TDKR came out and hurt TASM, but it's not the only factor. Everyone defending TASM is assuming that is the only factor, and this is a false assumption.

 

[Max Dillon]

Not to harp on BB, but yes people did. Public interest in the movie increased when it was out, hence the low drops. TASM's interest level didn't increase. It stayed at equilibrium (hence the steeper drops). In the case of the Potter films, those made so much in their opening weekends, a steep drop was almost assured. Most movies with that large of an opening drop off because everyone rushed to see it immediately (once again, this is MOST not all). Hence why DHP2 made about as much as TASM in like 5 or 6 days (can't remember which) and it only took it 3 days.

Once I again, I never said people HATED this movie. Everyone saying I said that are putting words in my mouth. What I have SAID was that this movie didn't get great WOM. That's not the same thing. The movie has decent word of mouth, which is why it didn't collapse the way movies like Ang Lee's Hulk or Green Lantern. But, at the same time, this movie isn't getting the repeat viewings more highly regarded CBM movies get. You can see that in the math.

Excuse me, but I'll have to interwine and say that your negative bias towards this film is showing, and dare I say, your complete lack of knowledge of how box office works as well.

Bear with me here. Batman Begins was released in June, 15th. It was released before July, which is the month that schools and college vacations start, hence the low drops down the road for that film. I'm probably as much older as you are (I'm 33 years old) and I remember quite well that Batman Begins faced the same kind of antagonism that The Amazing Spider-Man is facing right now, from fans of the previous movies like you are.

The Amazing Spider-Man was released in July, 3rd. It's enjoying some really incredible low drops, if you're not realizing. For a reboot like Batman Begins and The Amazing Spider-Man are, it's generating interest, you just need to take a look to social networks to show you that, and most of all, how well the movie is holding on right now after more than a month from the release date and facing The Dark Knight Rises and all the problems that came with it in the same weekend that it was released. The Colorado shootings affected all movies, not only TDKR, and it seems that all of them were able to bounce back and that the movies are enjoying some beautiful late legs. If you look to Box Office Mojo and take your time to study the drops of both films, understanding that they were released in different release dates, you'll actually find out that The Amazing Spider-Man is enjoying better drops than Batman Begins.

Also, I can't understand how you're able to say that The Amazing Spider-Man isn't enjoying repeat viewings like other great films, especially when it comes to a reboot. I've watched both Batman Begins and The Amazing Spider-Man six times in theaters. I know a lot of people who love the film. It's okay and I understand that not everyone will love the film. I know people that loved The Amazing Spider-Man and didn't like it The Dark Knight Rises. I know people that felt the other way around. But I can't let you say that The Amazing Spider-Man isn't enjoying some beautiful drops when it is, especially after facing The Dark Knight Rises, which is a direct opponent and a finale of an acclaimed trilogy against a reboot.

All things considered, The Amazing Spider-Man is enjoying incredible late legs. Of course that it couldn't please everyone, I know people to this day that like Burton's Batman better than Nolan's. And while I think it's crazy, they are in their right to think that way. It's okay for you to not enjoy it, but claiming that isn't as acclaimed than Batman Begins, well... it's a huge fallacy. Top Critics in Rotten Tomatoes destroyed Batman Begins. If we look to the Top Critics, The Amazing Spider-Man has a better score than Batman Begins, and I love both films to death. Once the "it's a reboot" wears off - and it's already happening - The Amazing Spider-Man can end up getting better scores just like it happened with Batman Begins back then.

The fate of this franchise looks bright, but I have my reservations as well. Marc Webb needs to comeback for the sequels to work, but I'm confident that will happen. And after he is locked for the sequel, they need to work their asses off to make the best Spider-Man film yet. I agree with Newsarama when they say that it's among the greatest comic book-based films of all time and Andrew Garfield IS Spider-Man.

Trust me, there's a lot of people that feel that way as well. If Marc Webb and his cast are able to step up their game, 2014 reserves amazing things for the Spider-Man fans out there.

 

[Max Dillon]

TASM's opening wasn't so large a steep drop had to happen. It easily could have held better percentages in subsequent weeks. As for competition, yes TDKR came out and hurt TASM, but it's not the only factor. Everyone defending TASM is assuming that is the only factor, and this is a false assumption.

TASM isn't enjoying steep drops. Unless you can back up your claims with numbers, I repeat what I've said above: Your bias is showing. You're trying too hard to make TASM run to look less impressive than it is. If you can't understand the difference between a July and an August release and take in consideration that TASM faced bigger competition than Batman Begins did, then it's useless. You need to able to let go of your bias to judge box office numbers correctly.

I don't like TDKR, but while I reckon that movie is having steep drops compared with TDK, I'm still able to say that it's a fantastic box office run so far.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Excuse me, but I'll have to interwine and say that your negative bias towards this film is showing, and dare I say, your complete lack of knowledge of how box office works as well.

Bear with me here. Batman Begins was released in June, 15th. It was released before July, which is the month that schools and college vacations start, hence the low drops down the road for that film. I'm probably as much older as you are (I'm 33 years old) and I remember quite well that Batman Begins faced the same kind of antagonism that The Amazing Spider-Man is facing right now, from fans of the previous movies like you are.

The Amazing Spider-Man was released in July, 3rd. It's enjoying some really incredible low drops, if you're not realizing. For a reboot like Batman Begins and The Amazing Spider-Man are, it's generating interest, you just need to take a look to social networks to show you that, and most of all, how well the movie is holding on right now after more than a month from the release date and facing The Dark Knight Rises and all the problems that came with it in the same weekend that it was released. The Colorado shootings affected all movies, not only TDKR, and it seems that all of them were able to bounce back and that the movies are enjoying some beautiful late legs. If you look to Box Office Mojo and take your time to study the drops of both films, understanding that they were released in different release dates, you'll actually find out that The Amazing Spider-Man is enjoying better drops than Batman Begins.

Also, I can't understand how you're able to say that The Amazing Spider-Man isn't enjoying repeat viewings like other great films, especially when it comes to a reboot. I've watched both Batman Begins and The Amazing Spider-Man six times in theaters. I know a lot of people who love the film. It's okay and I understand that not everyone will love the film. I know people that loved The Amazing Spider-Man and didn't like it The Dark Knight Rises. I know people that felt the other way around. But I can't let you say that The Amazing Spider-Man isn't enjoying some beautiful drops when it is, especially after facing The Dark Knight Rises, which is a direct opponent and a finale of an acclaimed trilogy against a reboot.

All things considered, The Amazing Spider-Man is enjoying incredible late legs. Of course that it couldn't please everyone, I know people to this day that like Burton's Batman better than Nolan's. And while I think it's crazy, they are in their right to think that way. It's okay for you to not enjoy it, but claiming that isn't as acclaimed than Batman Begins, well... it's a huge fallacy. Top Critics in Rotten Tomatoes destroyed Batman Begins. If we look to the Top Critics, The Amazing Spider-Man has a better score than Batman Begins, and I love both films to death. Once the "it's a reboot" wears off - and it's already happening - The Amazing Spider-Man can end up getting better scores just like it happened with Batman Begins back then.

The fate of this franchise looks bright, but I have my reservations as well. Marc Webb needs to comeback for the sequels to work, but I'm confident that will happen. And after he is locked for the sequel, they need to work their asses off to make the best Spider-Man film yet. I agree with Newsarama when they say that it's among the greatest comic book-based films of all time and Andrew Garfield IS Spider-Man.

Trust me, there's a lot of people that feel that way as well. If Marc Webb and his cast are able to step up their game, 2014 reserves amazing things for the Spider-Man fans out there.

I actually LIKED the movie. Didn't love it, but didn't hate it. But, that is meaningless in the long run. Judging public perception based of your friends doesn't work. As I said before, people normally agree with their friends on most things. We are creatures of habit and like to be right.

As for age, dude, I am 26 and in film school.

 

[Jexx]

I don't think that the part where he mentions his friends was the crux of the argument..

Also, I usually disagree with my friends. :P

 

[Spiderdevil]

TASM's opening wasn't so large a steep drop had to happen.

Still 3 times bigger than BB's

As for competition, yes TDKR came out and hurt TASM, but it's not the only factor.

Its a MAJOR factor,dont underestimate it
Majority of us took it for granted that it wont make much after 20th July
Just think about my BB and SM3 analogy
Would BB make any money if SM3 came out 2 weeks after it(And turned out to be decent like TDKR was)?
I think not
2 superhero movies meaning a similar target audience and TDKR being very heavily anticipated,a lot more than TASM
Another major factor was the shooting
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=spiderman4.htm
The major drop was the 3rd week(July 20-26) the same time the shooting happened and TDKR released,the drop was 42% before that week and 36% after it compared to BB's 43% and 42% drop in the 3rd week and 5th week respectively

 

[Spiderdevil]

Excuse me, but I'll have to interwine and say that your negative bias towards this film is showing, and dare I say, your complete lack of knowledge of how box office works as well.

Bear with me here. Batman Begins was released in June, 15th. It was released before July, which is the month that schools and college vacations start, hence the low drops down the road for that film. I'm probably as much older as you are (I'm 33 years old) and I remember quite well that Batman Begins faced the same kind of antagonism that The Amazing Spider-Man is facing right now, from fans of the previous movies like you are.

The Amazing Spider-Man was released in July, 3rd. It's enjoying some really incredible low drops, if you're not realizing. For a reboot like Batman Begins and The Amazing Spider-Man are, it's generating interest, you just need to take a look to social networks to show you that, and most of all, how well the movie is holding on right now after more than a month from the release date and facing The Dark Knight Rises and all the problems that came with it in the same weekend that it was released. The Colorado shootings affected all movies, not only TDKR, and it seems that all of them were able to bounce back and that the movies are enjoying some beautiful late legs. If you look to Box Office Mojo and take your time to study the drops of both films, understanding that they were released in different release dates, you'll actually find out that The Amazing Spider-Man is enjoying better drops than Batman Begins.

Also, I can't understand how you're able to say that The Amazing Spider-Man isn't enjoying repeat viewings like other great films, especially when it comes to a reboot. I've watched both Batman Begins and The Amazing Spider-Man six times in theaters. I know a lot of people who love the film. It's okay and I understand that not everyone will love the film. I know people that loved The Amazing Spider-Man and didn't like it The Dark Knight Rises. I know people that felt the other way around. But I can't let you say that The Amazing Spider-Man isn't enjoying some beautiful drops when it is, especially after facing The Dark Knight Rises, which is a direct opponent and a finale of an acclaimed trilogy against a reboot.

All things considered, The Amazing Spider-Man is enjoying incredible late legs. Of course that it couldn't please everyone, I know people to this day that like Burton's Batman better than Nolan's. And while I think it's crazy, they are in their right to think that way. It's okay for you to not enjoy it, but claiming that isn't as acclaimed than Batman Begins, well... it's a huge fallacy. Top Critics in Rotten Tomatoes destroyed Batman Begins. If we look to the Top Critics, The Amazing Spider-Man has a better score than Batman Begins, and I love both films to death. Once the "it's a reboot" wears off - and it's already happening - The Amazing Spider-Man can end up getting better scores just like it happened with Batman Begins back then.

The fate of this franchise looks bright, but I have my reservations as well. Marc Webb needs to comeback for the sequels to work, but I'm confident that will happen. And after he is locked for the sequel, they need to work their asses off to make the best Spider-Man film yet. I agree with Newsarama when they say that it's among the greatest comic book-based films of all time and Andrew Garfield IS Spider-Man.

Trust me, there's a lot of people that feel that way as well. If Marc Webb and his cast are able to step up their game, 2014 reserves amazing things for the Spider-Man fans out there.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I actually LIKED the movie. Didn't love it, but didn't hate it. But, that is meaningless in the long run. Judging public perception based of your friends doesn't work. As I said before, people normally agree with their friends on most things. We are creatures of habit and like to be right.

As for age, dude, I am 26 and in film school.

Max Dillon is right
Just take into consideration the stiff competition,the shooting and the August release and look at the numbers

You will easily see that TASM is still doing better(Except the 3rd week)

If you dont think those factors matter then its useless to debate on this topic

 

[Spider-Fan]

Max Dillon is right
Just take into consideration the stiff competition,the shooting and the August release and look at the numbers

You will easily see that TASM is still doing better(Except the 3rd week)

If you dont think those factors matter then its useless to debate on this topic

I'm not writing them off, but I am also not making them the sole reason for the film's performance like many people are. People only perceived I am not acknowledging these points because I am not proclaiming Spidey's sequel has this super bright future others think it does.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I'm not writing them off, but I am also not making them the sole reason for the film's performance like many people are. People only perceived I am not acknowledging these points because I am not proclaiming Spidey has this super bright others think it does.

3 Major Factors are not much?

And whatever is its future,its definitely more bright than BB's was

700M vs 2 heavily anticipated billion dollar movies is very impressive

 

[Anno_Domini]

It will end around 260M i.e 30M more than its budget
I dont see how 15M can make a huge difference

Imo, BB is the better film, but that's not the point really. I'm only talking about how TAS-M should have done better. Don't see why you can't understand that. It's not saying which movie is better or what have you, just saying that TAS-M should have made more and you get defensive.

To give you an example..Even fantastic 4 earned 55M more than its budget,I guess it is as good as BB then

So...Fantastic Four is better than TAS-M too?

So you bring up domestic and world wide as and when you want
When I compare it to BB with foreign income you go 'Hey I know its done so well overseas I am compaing domestic numbers and its a failure imo'
And when I show domestic numbers to show superiority over IC4 you go 'I am talking about world wide gross yada yada yada'
I will give you an example,BB and Madagascar released the same year and Madagascar outgrossed BB aswell,there ya go

Yah, and that definitely sucks. I can admit something such as that and not try to reason everything out.

In reality every comic book movie release takes inspiration from the previous one released and learns or tries to learn from its mistakes and achievements
So if you admit BB took inspiration from SM1,Im willing to admit TASM took inspiration from BB

Obviously you would say this so you won't have to admit the truth...

Batman Begins took inspiration from Superman: The Movie. Admitting that would be a flat out lie as we've been told what inspires BB as well as what's inspired TAS-M. Don't be so ridiculous.

Says some one who thinks it fine that the whole of MCU drops dead at the bomb blast and the Joker stands fine

Again, this is something else we've gone through and it's fact that they all do not "drop dread"

Why don't you try again with something else now?

 

[Themanofbat]

I've lost so much respect with the Newsarama staff when they made those comments...

 

[sontin]

All things considered, The Amazing Spider-Man is enjoying incredible late legs.

It has normal legs, on par with other movies. Ted is showing these "incredible late legs" which leads to much better numbers than TASM.

 

[Jexx]

I've lost so much respect with the Newsarama staff when they made those comments...

So... you loose respect for others when they have a different opinion than you?

And you say you don't care about other people's opinions...

 

[Anno_Domini]

Many people have lost respect to Devin F. because of that reason alone, lol.

 

[Jexx]

On a side note to the argument between Anno and Spiderdevil (someone please stop those btw, they're bringing out the worst in both of them), I think TASM was influenced in a big way by BB, but it didn't follow the same tone as BB. But at the same time, I also think that they will be relatively equal in success, and they both had/have great potential for a superhero trilogy.

Also, I loved both movies, and so did the general audience.