The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - P - - Part 18

[Eddie Brock]

I think the music cues signal that they know what they're doing, too. Spidey is supposed to be a little edgy in this scene.

 

[Troy_Parker]

The new version of Ben's responsibility line isn't something that they just pulled out of nowhere, they actually took it from USM #4:

 

[Scarlettess]

Word. Much as some might lament it, this is another origin story. It's the tale of how we get from the Spider-Man we see in the carjacker clip to the responsible Spider-Man we all know and love. If he never evolves from this point, I'll be the first to lambast it, but it seems like this clip is designed to show Spidey going too far. I doubt this is how he'll be at the end of the film.

Exactly This movie seems to be focusing on the journey of him becoming Spider-Man, as opposed to right after the bat. I'm betting the resolution of this film is him finally knowing what it means "with great power comes great responsibilty". If it's not just his Uncle Ben that teaches him the *sole* lesson, then I bet that he takes a huge hit with what happens / how he deals with Conners first becoming the Lizard.

 

[socool]

Just because RIM doesn't like the film doesn't mean you have to start bad mouthing every thing from now on. Stop being a sheep.

I'm not. I thought they went a little too far there. I mean he just sorta tortures the dude. He even nails him in the nuts with webbing. C'mon. I mean, maybe Spidey would do that in the comics, but they way they potray it, he comes off as being a dick. I mean, I loved the car jacker stuff up until this. (You can look at my posts it you must.) The scene as a whole just doesn't work the same. I'm also not much of a fan of Spidey being lighting fast. I mean, I like the idea, but it's used too often. Once again, if this is Spidey being "drunk off power", as Troy put it, then I'm all for it. If Spidey remains this way through out the movie, I'll have a problem. That's my concern.

 

[stillanerd]

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Carjacker Clip (HD)

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Okay looking at the behind the scenes clip:

Spoiler

The scene of Peter telling Flash to stop bullying the kid. Obviously, it's to establish that Peter has the capacity for selfless heroism within him even before he acquires powers, and it's most likely this incident in which will cause Gwen to be initially attracted to Peter because he's willing to stand up to and protect people from bullies regardless of how strong they are. That's all fine and good, but doesn't this in itself mean that Peter is already practicing "with great power comes great responsibility?" Most of the comics emphasize the fact that Peter, prior to getting his powers and because he was the target of bullies went out of his way to avoid getting into trouble. It's only after he gets his powers and his Uncle dies that he realizes the importance of getting involved and doing the right thing to protect other people. Again, it's understandable why this film choose to have Peter try and stick up for the guy Flash is picking on only to get beat up himself, but shouldn't we already have enough sympathy and be rooting for Peter anyway?

Also, Andrew Garfield explaining how Peter has been told all his life that his a certain kind of person only to discover he's something different really makes me think he's referring to the whole rumor about how his dad secretly gave him his powers and that the spider bite merely activated them, which is something I'm not all that thrilled with.

And having seen the carjacker scene in full w/ dialogue:

Spoiler

Again--how does Spider-Man get in and out of a locked car?! Remember, the carjacker has to break into the car to get inside and Spidey is already in it. And the guy climbs out of the window and Spidey is still in the backseat. I suppose one could say Spidey quickly opened the back door, closed it, and got around the guy super fast, only how come the inside light doesn't come on? Maybe he has Nightcrawler's teleportation powers in this movie.

Also, Spidey first webs the guy's arm and his mouth together while they are in the car, yet a quick cut later, they instantly vanish. You're telling me that Spidey's webbing can be causally brushed off like that?

And while I appreciate the film trying to put more emphasis on Spider-Man's wit, there's a fine line between being as wisea** and being an a**hole. And I'm sorry, but Spidey comes off as being an a**hole in this clip to the point where you wish he would just shut up or get punched in the face--which is NOT the reaction you want to have towards the hero of your movie.

Oh, and way to get that carjacker nearly killed there, Spidey.

 

[Eddie Brock]

The new version of Ben's responsibility line isn't something that they just pulled out of nowhere, they actually took it from USM #4:

I knew it was a modified version of "great power, great responsibility." I just hadn't read those issues in a long time.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Kinda sad he doesn't say small knifes.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Okay looking at the behind the scenes clip:

Spoiler

The scene of Peter telling Flash to stop bullying the kid. Obviously, it's to establish that Peter has the capacity for selfless heroism within him even before he acquires powers, and it's most likely this incident in which will cause Gwen to be initially attracted to Peter because he's willing to stand up to and protect people from bullies regardless of how strong they are. That's all fine and good, but doesn't this in itself mean that Peter is already practicing "with great power comes great responsibility?" Most of the comics emphasize the fact that Peter, prior to getting his powers and because he was the target of bullies went out of his way to avoid getting into trouble. It's only after he gets his powers and his Uncle dies that he realizes the importance of getting involved and doing the right thing to protect other people. Again, it's understandable why this film choose to have Peter try and stick up for the guy Flash is picking on only to get beat up himself, but shouldn't we already have enough sympathy and be rooting for Peter anyway?

Also, Andrew Garfield explaining how Peter has been told all his life that his a certain kind of person only to discover he's something different really makes me think he's referring to the whole rumor about how his dad secretly gave him his powers and that the spider bite merely activated them, which is something I'm not all that thrilled with.

And having seen the carjacker scene in full w/ dialogue:

Spoiler

Again--how does Spider-Man get in and out of a locked car?! Remember, the carjacker has to break into the car to get inside and Spidey is already in it. And the guy climbs out of the window and Spidey is still in the backseat. I suppose one could say Spidey quickly opened the back door, closed it, and got around the guy super fast, only how come the inside light doesn't come on? Maybe he has Nightcrawler's teleportation powers in this movie.

Also, Spidey first webs the guy's arm and his mouth together while they are in the car, yet a quick cut later, they instantly vanish. You're telling me that Spidey's webbing can be causally brushed off like that?

And while I appreciate the film trying to put more emphasis on Spider-Man's wit, there's a fine line between being as wisea** and being an a**hole. And I'm sorry, but Spidey comes off as being an a**hole in this clip to the point where you wish he would just shut up or get punched in the face--which is NOT the reaction you want to have towards the hero of your movie.

Oh, and way to get that carjacker nearly killed there, Spidey.

Re: BtS

Spoiler

That scene with Flash might be after he gets powers. I mean, he's not wearing his glasses.

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

I'm not. I thought they went a little too far there. I mean he just sorta tortures the dude. He even nails him in the nuts with webbing. C'mon. I mean, maybe Spidey would do that in the comics, but they way they potray it, he comes off as being a dick. I mean, I loved the car jacker stuff up until this. (You can look at my posts it you must.) The scene as a whole just doesn't work the same. I'm also not much of a fan of Spidey being lighting fast. I mean, I like the idea, but it's used too often. Once again, if this is Spidey being "drunk off power", as Troy put it, then I'm all for it. If Spidey remains this way through out the movie, I'll have a problem. That's my concern.

Okay. But it will be probably work far better in context in the final film.

 

[Eddie Brock]

I'd be worried if it wasn't for some of the things Marc and Andrew have said. Learning about responsibility sounds like an active journey throughout the film. He hasn't learned his lesson yet in this clip, I'm assuming.

 

[The Infernal]

Give this man a gold star!!

C. Lee was bitten by a radioactive gold star.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I'd be worried if it wasn't for some of the things Marc and Andrew have said. Learning about responsibility sounds like an active journey throughout the film. He hasn't learned his lesson yet in this clip, I'm assuming.

Yep. Here's what Marc said about that scene:

"I wouldn't say we were ever after pursuing darkness. We just wanted to keep things real. I think it comes down to everything having to emerge from a real place. The reason why Spider-Man is being so playful in that moment is that as a character, he's feeling drunk on his power. He's having a really good time. He's becoming a bit of a bully there. He's not being deeply altruistic, and that's something you'll learn more about when you see the movie. It's a reflection of his attitude: He puts that mask on and the shy kid is gone. He's now this really empowered superhero. That means having fun, sometimes at other people's expense."

 

[Streetlight]

Re: BtS
[/spoiler]

More importantly than all of this where is your avatar from?

 

[elsewhere]

Well if the rest of the film is as good as that carjacker scene, consider me sold. I really dig the tone.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Yep. Here's what Marc said about that scene:

"I wouldn't say we were ever after pursuing darkness. We just wanted to keep things real. I think it comes down to everything having to emerge from a real place. The reason why Spider-Man is being so playful in that moment is that as a character, he's feeling drunk on his power. He's having a really good time. He's becoming a bit of a bully there. He's not being deeply altruistic, and that's something you'll learn more about when you see the movie. It's a reflection of his attitude: He puts that mask on and the shy kid is gone. He's now this really empowered superhero. That means having fun, sometimes at other people's expense."

Heh. Exactly. And if you watch both the BtS and the carjacker scene, you really see the parallels between how Spidey is acting and how Flash acts. I feel like that realization will dawn on him at some point in the movie.

More importantly than all of this where is your avatar from?

Community, specifically the debate club episode from Season 1(?).

 

[MACH]

Okay looking at the behind the scenes clip:

Spoiler

The scene of Peter telling Flash to stop bullying the kid. Obviously, it's to establish that Peter has the capacity for selfless heroism within him even before he acquires powers, and it's most likely this incident in which will cause Gwen to be initially attracted to Peter because he's willing to stand up to and protect people from bullies regardless of how strong they are. That's all fine and good, but doesn't this in itself mean that Peter is already practicing "with great power comes great responsibility?" Most of the comics emphasize the fact that Peter, prior to getting his powers and because he was the target of bullies went out of his way to avoid getting into trouble. It's only after he gets his powers and his Uncle dies that he realizes the importance of getting involved and doing the right thing to protect other people. Again, it's understandable why this film choose to have Peter try and stick up for the guy Flash is picking on only to get beat up himself, but shouldn't we already have enough sympathy and be rooting for Peter anyway?

Also, Andrew Garfield explaining how Peter has been told all his life that his a certain kind of person only to discover he's something different really makes me think he's referring to the whole rumor about how his dad secretly gave him his powers and that the spider bite merely activated them, which is something I'm not all that thrilled with.

And having seen the carjacker scene in full w/ dialogue:

Spoiler

Again--how does Spider-Man get in and out of a locked car?! Remember, the carjacker has to break into the car to get inside and Spidey is already in it. And the guy climbs out of the window and Spidey is still in the backseat. I suppose one could say Spidey quickly opened the back door, closed it, and got around the guy super fast, only how come the inside light doesn't come on? Maybe he has Nightcrawler's teleportation powers in this movie.

Also, Spidey first webs the guy's arm and his mouth together while they are in the car, yet a quick cut later, they instantly vanish. You're telling me that Spidey's webbing can be causally brushed off like that?

And while I appreciate the film trying to put more emphasis on Spider-Man's wit, there's a fine line between being as wisea** and being an a**hole. And I'm sorry, but Spidey comes off as being an a**hole in this clip to the point where you wish he would just shut up or get punched in the face--which is NOT the reaction you want to have towards the hero of your movie.

Oh, and way to get that carjacker nearly killed there, Spidey.

Spoiler

I don't think the Flash part matters. Peter has always been a good person. Him trying to help a kid from Flash is more ballsy than the 60's Pete, sure, but it is definitely very USM. Also, he doesn't attack Flash as much as just say he won't take the photo. And he still gets his butt kicked for it. It also gives Flash more of a reason to attack him, again, this is more realistic. That is how bullying usually happens in real life, it doesn't come out of nowhere, even bullies aren't that two dimensional. They usually attack due to imagined slights.

As for how it gets in and out of the car. The car jacker's breaking in thingy probably opens the windows too and Spidey uses his "sticky-ness" to pull down a window and slip in and out easily. Simple

 

[Scarlettess]

see like I said. Key here: We, as the audience, are going to be watching the Journey of Peter Parker becoming Spider-Man, and that won't be as simple as it was in the comics, as it wouldnt be if a kid today got superpowers.

 

[Compi716]

oh come one guys.

"if you want to steal cars don't dress like a car thief"

"Seriously you think I'm a cop? in a red and blue tight suit?"

" you found my weakness...small knives"

" I don't think you want to know what's in them"

"So I do 80% of your job, and that, THATS how you repay me?!"

Sounds down right spidey to me.

Exactly. I don't know what people are complaining about. Andrew NAILS Spidey, and the way he's yapping nonstop...it's like Stan Lee did a polish on the script.

 

[stillanerd]

It's not.

Spoiler

He checks the carjacker's wrist because he's looking for a tattoo. Uncle Ben's killer had a wrist tattoo.

And if you're avoiding spoilers, just trust me on this one.

And if that's the case--and I, too, believe it be so as well--then I have to ask

Spoiler

if he initially suspects that guy to be the person who killed his Uncle Ben, would he seriously be acting the way he is in this clip as opposed to say, punching the guys lights out? The reason why people upon initially seeing this clip assumed it was taking place before Uncle Ben was killed is because after his Uncle Ben's death, then he should stop acting like a bully and being "drunk on his power," which, even by Marc Webb's own admission, is how he's acting in this clip.

Re: BtS

Spoiler

That scene with Flash might be after he gets powers. I mean, he's not wearing his glasses.

Spoiler

He's also not wearing glasses when he finds his dad's briefcase and we know, or can safely assume, that this is taking place before Peter goes to Oscorp. Also, if Peter is telling Flash to leave the kid alone after he's already gotten his powers, how come he gets beaten up so easily?

I'm not. I thought they went a little too far there. I mean he just sorta tortures the dude. He even nails him in the nuts with webbing. C'mon. I mean, maybe Spidey would do that in the comics, but they way they potray it, he comes off as being a dick. I mean, I loved the car jacker stuff up until this. (You can look at my posts it you must.) The scene as a whole just doesn't work the same. I'm also not much of a fan of Spidey being lighting fast. I mean, I like the idea, but it's used too often. Once again, if this is Spidey being "drunk off power", as Troy put it, then I'm all for it. If Spidey remains this way through out the movie, I'll have a problem. That's my concern.

Exactly.

 

[GuestStar2004]

gritty realism of a kid gaining super powers?

 

[Smoke87]

I loved that carjacker scene so much. For some reason I got a memories of the first tmnt movie while watching it. This makes my heart dance.

 

[Eggyman]

That scene is solid gold even out of context.

 

[elsewhere]

I loved that carjacker scene so much. For some reason I got a memories of the first tmnt movie while watching it. This makes my heart dance.

Yup. Reminds me very much of TMNT.

Love it.

 

[Scarlettess]

Yep. Here's what Marc said about that scene:

"I wouldn't say we were ever after pursuing darkness. We just wanted to keep things real. I think it comes down to everything having to emerge from a real place. The reason why Spider-Man is being so playful in that moment is that as a character, he's feeling drunk on his power. He's having a really good time. He's becoming a bit of a bully there. He's not being deeply altruistic, and that's something you'll learn more about when you see the movie. It's a reflection of his attitude: He puts that mask on and the shy kid is gone. He's now this really empowered superhero. That means having fun, sometimes at other people's expense."

quoting again incase people may have missed it. Marc Webb explains it here, so he is drunk off of his power, he hasn't learned the lesson yet. and if ti is after his death, whos to say he cant be playful or use comedic quips to surpress his anger the same way he does is fear like in the comics?

 

[Eddie Brock]

And if that's the case--and I, too, believe it be so as well--then I have to ask

Spoiler

if he initially suspects that guy to be the person who killed his Uncle Ben, would he seriously be acting the way he is in this clip as opposed to say, punching the guys lights out? The reason why people upon initially seeing this clip assumed it was taking place before Uncle Ben was killed is because after his Uncle Ben's death, then he should stop acting like a bully and being "drunk on his power," which, even by Marc Webb's own admission, is how he's acting in this clip.

Spoiler

Because he doesn't know for sure that it's the guy. You see that when he webs his mouth, he also webs up his nostrils. It's only once he sees that it's not the same guy that he pulls the webbing off his nose so that the guy can breathe. He was just having fun, but he was prepared to get more serious if his suspicions were confirmed. He's drunk on power, but he's not a bad guy. He's not going to go all out on the guy until he's sure he has the right one.