Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 30

[djsunyc]

Great post Shikamaru!

The fact that they might break up after Age of Ultron, then have Civil War as the third phase just excites me for the finale... When Thanos comes to earth in The Avengers 4. That's when you'll get the movie you're describing. The ultimate team up, the chemistry, everyone pulling in the same direction to achieve the primary goal that assembled them in the first place. To protect the people of earth as their Avengers.

i think it's a real-time movie release issue vs. a comics month to month issue. if they can make 2-3 avengers movies a year, then they would. but since these movies can only be released in 2-3 year spaces, i think you have to plan for bigger things. feige will not be around forever. neither will whedon, russos, downey, evans, etc. you have to plan for things you can control now and they started this journey with iron man 1 and they are going to end it with thanos for this first mega phase. i think what they are planning to do is brilliant.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am cool with Civil War, if they are able to get everyone on board for Phase 4 and Avengers 4 with Thanos. If they don't, they need to do Thanos with 3. Remember there was the rumor of Avengers 3 being "2 parts". Could see Avengers 3 and 4 filmed back to back with Civil War ending with Thanos arrival, and 4 coming a year later and being the big finale.

I think part of my disappointment with the direction they're going in is in the likely fact that we won't see the Avengers of the comics anytime in the near future, outside a marketing standpoint.

First film was an origin story, but there were no "Avengers" Avengers by the end; just a group that came together to for a specific event then went their separate ways. Sure, friendships have been sparked and a foundation's been laid out, but there was no Avengers Tower/Mansion, no normal day-to-day interactions from the team, no historically-established team dynamic after working together on multiple occasions. Then there's the matter of characters like Thor and Hawkeye feeling so distant from everyone else. All of that was fine and to be expected for the first film, though.

Then in Age of Ultron, it looks like we're getting something more akin to that, but rumor has it the team will break apart by the end. And given the situation and supposed premise for Cap 3, it kinda makes sense.

Then follows a Civil War-based story that puts Steve and Tony at odds, followed by what is rumored to be an all-new Avengers team in A3 or a "Marvel superhero" film where everyone will fight Thanos, Avenger or not.

And if that's indeed the case, I'm a tad disappointed. The "Avengers" will feel more like a few individuals that just happened to cross paths on a few occasions rather than one whole team. Contrast that with other recent adaptations like EMH, where despite members going in and out of the team throughout its run, it still felt like there was a strong team dynamic and ideal "definitive" members even when they weren't all together.

In foresight, even the GOTG might feel more like a team and they didn't even need an entire phase of setup.

I completely agree with this. The Avengers "being a team" seems to have happened off screen between the two films. Thus these big moments lose a lot of their punch.

 

[mkilban2]

It'd be cool if they somehow get Spiderman, seems very doubtful though. With Civil War being one of the few comic related things I've read, he's a big player there. Although they're probably just adapting Civil War in the sense of Tony vs Steve in the area of heroes registering. Which I also don't fully understand how that would work since the film avengers aren't hiding under secret identities like the comics do.

Pretty much AoU is going to send Tony down a very dark path by the end, so he may be the creative force behind something that doesn't cause heroes to register their identities but rather they must share publicly their plans of action to be judged upon in order to prevent another Ultron like threat creeping up from the shadows.

Introduce new players in Phase 3 and have them battle a threat and fail, while the entire world learning about Thanos at the end of that and throughout Phase 4 and top it all off with everyone reunited in Avengers 4.

 

[Destructus86]

I am really pissed if this Downey-in-Cap3 is true,first the whole new avengers in Cap3 and now this! Well I thought,maybe if they have similar characters in the new avengers(Black Widow,Hawkeye,Falcon,War Machine) it will be okay,but with Donwey they might as well name it 'Avengers 2.5'

Its damn frustrating man,the thing I used to love about Marvel,their audacity to go for the things which seemed risky and not just playing it safe,is fading fast

This is Captain America,while I am not opposed to a cameo,I don't want RDJ in it.Most people agree that he is one of the people who made the MCU possible,but recently he has been head strong and tries to micro manage the director/writer,it was on his insistence that they decided to give Pepper Potts a bigger role in IM3 which arguably ****ed up the final 20 minutes of the movie

The movie is called Captain America 3 for a reason,it is a goddamn Captain America movie,it just has to be him and his supporting cast(BW,Hawk Eye,Sharon Carter and Bucky) and not everybody from the Avengers and their father

I disagree. I feel that Cap 3 is the PERFECT time to seed the Civil War into the MCU.

 

[sabetoonth]

I wont lie, I don't mind the idea of Cap 3 being Civil War, but I dont want RDJ as a co-star/co-lead

 

[Shikamaru]

i think it's a real-time movie release issue vs. a comics month to month issue. if they can make 2-3 avengers movies a year, then they would. but since these movies can only be released in 2-3 year spaces, i think you have to plan for bigger things. feige will not be around forever. neither will whedon, russos, downey, evans, etc. you have to plan for things you can control now and they started this journey with iron man 1 and they are going to end it with thanos for this first mega phase. i think what they are planning to do is brilliant.

They can still establish a complete team dynamic while still making a film every few years. They could have had at least one whole "Avengers being a team" film, especially if Thanos is being saved for A4.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I completely agree with this. The Avengers "being a team" seems to have happened off screen between the two films. Thus these big moments lose a lot of their punch.

Yes AoU is gonna play a major role in how emotional Cap vs Tony is going to be, if they aren't close and good friends in AoU then the impact of them going against each other will be lost.

I fully understand why in A1 they are conflicting because the nature of the two characters are opposite, but I was hoping AoU and A3 would show the bond grow between the two and then maybe a Civil War film.

 

[DyeLorean]

I wont lie, I don't mind the idea of Cap 3 being Civil War, but I dont want RDJ as a co-star/co-lead

Yeah I know, is weird. As much as I'd like a Cap/Iron Man film, CA: The Winter Soldier was so good that I was more than ready to see another Cap solo film.

 

[MynAmeIsedDie90]

After all of the shock wore off, I think I actually would be more excited for a Cap and Hawkeye team-up film. I like the idea of putting the less popular heroes with the bigger ones a la putting Black Widow in Iron Man 2 and CA:TWS. Having the two biggest heroes of the MCU together in the same movie would just make it feel like another Avengers event, making the actual Avengers movies not as special anymore.

But besides that, I am still pretty freaking excited with the direction this is going.

 

[BoredGuy]

All this news gives some new perspective to Renner's comments about "hearing things" on Cap 3

Makes sense if this IS to be the start of Civil War, that pretty much all the Avengers will have to show up at some point, even if just small cameos for Cap 3

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I hope if this thing does occur Hawkeye is in it and on Caps side. I will be so disappointed if in Cap 3 we have Falcon Widow War Machine the twins and whoever else and not Hawkeye

 

[sabetoonth]

Yeah I know, is weird. As much as I'd like a Cap/Iron Man film, CA: The Winter Soldier was so good that I was more than ready to see another Cap solo film.

Tony has mainly just worn on me as a character. I could do with not seeing or hearing from him between Avengers movies for a bit.

 

[Loki882]

Well unfortunately for you, he (and Loki) are still the most popular MCU characters. So they're going to be used, it's that simple.

 

[Iceman]

Well unfortunately for you, he (and Loki) are still the most popular MCU characters. So they're going to be used, it's that simple.

Loki the most popular outside of Iron Man?

 

[jaqua99]

I bet Ultron will still be in Civil War. He's apart of what's going on

 

[The Ironstar]

All I know.............

 

[TeeKay]

Just read the Civil War and RDJ news.

 

[BatsDC]

Marvel should really drop that trailer to make us all forget about this news weren't supposed to know about yet.

 

[Iceman]

They could drop an all out Civil War trailer instead featuring events that won't happen for years and watch everyone go into meltdown. t:

 

[marcvader]

Well unfortunately for you, he (and Loki) are still the most popular MCU characters. So they're going to be used, it's that simple.

Well then, they should've added him to TWS as well to benefit from his popularity. The film certainly could've used it. 1B practically guaranteed.

 

[Eggyman]

How the f*** can civil war work when there's no secret identities?

 

[Moridin]

Can the Cap 3 discussion go to the Cap 3 board?

 

[Eggyman]

I imagine it could.

 

[Iceman]

Well then, they should've added him to TWS as well to benefit from his popularity. The film certainly could've used it. 1B practically guaranteed.

I'm pretty sure Loki will be the main character in Ant Man, Guardians 2 & Dr Strange, he's just that popular. Simple really.

 

[Drizzle]

Well unfortunately for you, he (and Loki) are still the most popular MCU characters. So they're going to be used, it's that simple.

Loki the most popular outside of Iron Man?

Loki's only popular among adult fans, really. Especially fangirls. Kids don't seem to give much of a flying **** about Loki. They're preoccupied with the core four, especially Iron Man, Cap and Hulk.