Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Part 47

[Snow Queen]

I am so sorry for you
nothing will ever match the feeling for me of walking out of Avengers
I hope one day you can feel feelings like joy t:

I have, just not with that film.

 

[Mjölnir]

So, how come The Schmoes got invited to the screening, but JeremyJahns did not?

They are part of the AMC Movie Talk team so might be that they got their invitations through that.

 

[kedrell]

There's also this tendency on of some people to hate on a popular film/TV show/book/whatever BECAUSE it's really popular. You'd be surprise (and probably highly disappointed) at how many times I hear complaints that essentially amount to "I'm annoyed that this is so popular, and tired of hearing it talked about praised/so that's why I don't like it." I find attitudes like that to be rather pathetic honestly.

And YES, we've had "revised" opinions about TDK over the years. They seem to in no way represent the majority opinion (just like the "revised" Avengers opinions don't either), but they are there nonetheless.

In my experience this phenomenon can't be divorced from the tendency of many fans to go bananas and overpraise things when they enjoy them. It can't just be good, it must be TEH GREATEST THINGZ I EVER DID SEE!!!! That's just as annoying and lacks any sort of decorum or sensible restraint. Thus you get a pendulum swinging back and forth between the two and in time hopefully the interest will have faded to the point where a movie or TV show is seen without all the hyperbole attached, whether positive or negative. Much of fandom has too much of a tendency to run to extremes, IMO.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I am so sorry for you
nothing will ever match the feeling for me of walking out of Avengers
I hope one day you can feel feelings like joy t:

So. Much. Joy!

I remember walking out screaming HULK SMASH

 

[Webfoot Hero]

There's also this tendency on of some people to hate on a popular film/TV show/book/whatever BECAUSE it's really popular. You'd be surprise (and probably highly disappointed) at how many times I hear complaints that essentially amount to "I'm annoyed that this is so popular, and tired of hearing it talked about praised/so that's why I don't like it." I find attitudes like that to be rather pathetic honestly.

And YES, we've had "revised" opinions about TDK over the years. They seem to in no way represent the majority opinion (just like the "revised" Avengers opinions don't either), but they are there nonetheless.

I view it as the typical hipster attitude that some people adopt when some property becomes the "in" thing and they think it's cool to rebel against it.

 

[Sharkboy]

I agree. I wasn't particularly interested in this one a few months ago due to my negative thoughts on the first, but as more info has come out, the film has sounded more interesting at least as far as the plot goes. I have my fingers crossed that I'll enjoy this one at least, or at the very least I'd like to not have such a drastically unpopular opinion on it like Avengers and Guardians.

Thats where we differ, I loved Avengers and Guardians when they came out, I still like Avengers as well...I just don't love it, it feels a little hollow to me in a world where you have films like spidey 2, the tdk trilogy and tws. That's why im hoping that some people genuinely don't like Avengers 2, because to me that means that the film didn't go for the easy crowd pleasing option and it took risks and went places. That's my kinda flick i guess.

Oh well if Joss doesn't give it to us, The Russos most definitely will next time.

OT: Just watched the first episode of Daredevil, it blew my tiny little mind.

 

[Spitfire]

In my experience this phenomenon can't be divorced from the tendency of many fans to go bananas and overpraise things when they enjoy them. It can't just be good, it must be TEH GREATEST THINGZ I EVER DID SEE!!!! That's just as annoying and lacks any sort of decorum or sensible restraint. Thus you get a pendulum swinging back and forth between the two and in time hopefully the interest will have faded to the point where a movie or TV show is seen without all the hyperbole attached, whether positive or negative. Much of fandom has too much of a tendency to run to extremes, IMO.

Movie snobs and extreme fans can be equally annoying. I do sometimes think that hype can lead to fatigue for a movie if marketing teams go crazy. The marketing of AoU has been a bit crazy and Marvel have shared so much before the movie (this weeks EW article on Vision and Ultron being the worst I think).

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Movie snobs and extreme fans can be equally annoying. I do sometimes think that hype can lead to fatigue for a movie if marketing teams go crazy. The marketing of AoU has been a bit crazy and Marvel have shared so much before the movie (this weeks EW article on Vision and Ultron being the worst I think).

I don't think they have showed too much in the trailers/tv spots. We are mostly seeing the same footage.

 

[Leenie]

Movie snobs and extreme fans can be equally annoying. I do sometimes think that hype can lead to fatigue for a movie if marketing teams go crazy. The marketing of AoU has been a bit crazy and Marvel have shared so much before the movie (this weeks EW article on Vision and Ultron being the worst I think).

The funny thing about that is this: I personally don't feel that the marketing for AoU has been "crazy," simply because I have chosen to not follow most of it (I want to go into the film without knowing too much). Because of that, it feels that the marketing hasn't been crazy.

I think it's pretty easy to avoid marketing and hype for the most part. And even if it is "over saturated," I find it easy to dismiss.

Look at Frozen, for example: It's everywhere. I'm fine with this because I love the movie. To those who don't care for it, though? Does it really bother people to see merchandise of it in stores? Nobody is forced to buy the product, after all.

I've never understood letting hype for a movie bother someone. If I don't care about it or dislike the product, I just don't pay attention to it. It's not difficult, and I don't see it as a big deal. I guess it would be a big deal if we were all forced to pay attention to this stuff or if there were no other options, but that clearly isn't the case.

I'm not debating that hype for a movie can lead to some fatigue for many people, because it does happen quite a lot. I just don't understand why, though. I find it easy to avoid this kind of stuff.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

Imo, people will love this movie. The so called formula for films that movie jornalists like to spread around is just a bunch of bull. To me, they think that they are the true source of what's good and what's not good. That's simply not true because brilliant and cult movies have gone past them several times.

Movies can be dark, emotional and complex - of course, not just for the sake of it - and still be great. They say it's not mainstream because people want funny, lighthearted, simple and a action packed dumb sh***.

One of Marvel's great qualities is that they try to innovate and create something new. Marvel greatest flops or bad films were when they tried to follow that movie formula.

Ex 1: the kids in Iron Man 3 and the funny twist with the mandarin

Ex 2: make the same story in IM 2 as the previous one, only funnier, with more boobs and more suits

EX 3: get to do a romcom with TDW

 

[TeeKay]

Ummmm IM3 and TWS moved away from their so-called "formula". TDW played it safe. That one was formulaic.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I personally don't think AoU's marketing campaign has been crazy when compared to the previous film and the other Phase 2 films. Things are starting to come faster but it's still feels pretty tame and not overbearing. I'm sure once they have the movie premiere next Monday that we'll see a big ramp up in the marketing blitz but I for one welcome it since it just means the release date is getting closer.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think AOU's marketing campaign has pulled an Amazing Spider-Man 2.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I don't think AOU's marketing campaign has pulled an Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Yeah, it's definitely not a TASM 2. I see the occasional TV spot during some network shows and sporting events but other than that, it's not reached the point where it feels oversaturated. Once people get out of here and other sites covering the film, they'd see the marketing blitz hasn't hit yet.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'd say Disney's marketing of MCU has been pretty good so far.

Even Thor 2, which had the weakest Disney marketing of the MCU films, overperformed.

 

[Ninjablade]

I don't think AOU's marketing campaign has pulled an Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Kinda hard to do that though, that was some really bad marketing.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

Ummmm IM3 and TWS moved away from their so-called "formula". TDW played it safe. That one was formulaic.

Ok, we've talked about this already somewhat. But I'd like to know what they did in Iron Man 3 that was so innovative and new. To me, they only brought in more suits, more funny scenes and more pampering to kids. The movie lacked a voice and a theme.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Ok, we've talked about this already somewhat. But I'd like to know what they did in Iron Man 3 that was so innovative and new. To me, they only brought in more suits, more funny scenes and more pampering to kids. The movie lacked a voice and a theme.

Having a kid is pandering to kids?

Iron Man 3 had an old-school action movie feel, it wasn't structured like the previous IM films and it took a risk by alienating comic fans with that twist. Not only that but title character wasn't in much of the movie.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Kinda hard to do that though, that was some really bad marketing.

It wasn't bad, it was actually kinda brilliant(it seemed like it was gonna be a good movie) but the problem was the excess of it.

 

[Vartha]

Picked these up today. Haven't read anything but paged through and saw a cool shot of Yellowjacket!

 

[Son of Coul]

Having a kid is pandering to kids?

Iron Man 3 had an old-school action movie feel, it wasn't structured like the previous IM films and it took a risk by alienating comic fans with that twist. Not only that but title character wasn't in much of the movie.

IM3 is definitely the most offbeat and non-formulaic of the MCU films, whether you love it or hate it. It's very much Shane Black-y and distinctly his voice. They flipped most superhero (and definitely supervillain) tropes on their heads and tied to a very personal theme of identity that you'd expect to find in an indie movie's superhero interpretation. Opening a summer blockbuster with a dark, looming voiceover from the protagonist and then abruptly playing "Blue" by Eiffel 65 is a helluva risk. A long ways back, Chewy (wherever he is now) said it best: The real reason most fans that hate IM3 hate it is because it's a Shane Black film, whether they know it or not.

Avengers 1 and GOTG are probably the most formulaic of the bunch in terms of playing genre tropes straight with traditional plots and structures. TDW is up there too; maybe it's a MacGuffin thing. There are differences and risks, but "formula"-wise, if you were writing the screenplay by the book, those hit the beats.

 

[OnTheAir]

So, how come The Schmoes got invited to the screening, but JeremyJahns did not?

Isn't Jahns based in Seattle? Maybe he was invited, but wasn't able to make the trip to L.A.

 

[seahammer]

Picked these up today. Haven't read anything but paged through and saw a cool shot of Yellowjacket!

I like how the Avengers are in order of importance, left to right, top to bottom.

 

[Tymminator]

Isn't Jahns based in Seattle? Maybe he was invited, but wasn't able to make the trip to L.A.

He was, but I thought he moved a year or so ago.

 

[Mjölnir]

I like how the Avengers are in order of importance, left to right, top to bottom.

Verily! t: