Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 2

[Kevin Smith]

Then that's doubly odd. This is a pic I've seen before, I think on deviantart.

Found the Link! so now it's on my computer.

If the actual show is using six month old deviant art as concept art... WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK!

Please let it be fake.

 

[Kevin Smith]

No visors and Tron ****. Please.

Please don't ruin this costume, CW.

 

[Nathan]

I think that teleporter-like effect is a very cool thing to do sometimes, when Flash is at full tilt, but I think a number of methods should be used to show the Flash fighting. He's not always at full speed, y'know? Bullet time, normal time, blurred background, blurred flash, all that good stuff.

Yeah, they should definitely utilize several methods to showcase Flash's speed, I just don't want them to repeat what Smallville did. Because their constant slow-mo to display super speed, eventually bored me to death. The great thing with Flash is, the faster he gets, the more cost effective his special effects get. Because showing him constantly disappear, must be so much cheaper than constantly rendering scenes in slow-motion.

 

[Nathan]

No visors and Tron ****. Please.

Please don't ruin this costume, CW.

Yep. It needs to be the 90's costume, but updated. That's literally it. There's no need for reinvention. Material change, some small detail changes, and you're good to go.

 

[Matt.S99]

He's a runner. I really hope they go away from the boots and give him running shoes. Or work running shoes into boots. Like it was done in the Amazing Spider-Man.

Do you know what shoes the originals are?

 

[Kevin Smith]

Yep. It needs to be the 90's costume, but updated. That's literally it. There's no need for reinvention. Material change, some small detail changes, and you're good to go.

Yes. Exactly.

There's no excuse why it shouldn't be at least as good as what they did in 1990.

If the images that were posted earlier and the description Guard gave are anything like what the actual suit is going to be like then I am seriously going to cry. I'll have no "rage" left in me. No lie, I'm going to cry and be depressed for days and probably just lay in bed.

 

[Nathan]

I'd be ok with the Tron direction though, if that's what they want to do. But then it would have to look pretty close to the Tron suits. And not like that ugly artwork with the visor and tons of yellow highlights.

Question is, can they pull off a Tron quality suit on a TV budget?

 

[The Guard]

Apparently its fake...someone at CW likes to mess w people. Sorry. On my phone at urgent care.

 

[Kevin Smith]

And I don't care if it's "unhealthy"... because neither is what they'll have done to The Flash. :-/ lol

May as well not even make a Flash show...a Flash anything, to **** his costume, one of what's already one of the coolest designs in all of comics, one of the most easily adaptable suits, up like that. I mean the suit looks cool the way it is! It's not like asking for something that just looks hideous to be adapted here...this is a cool, well designed suit, changing it like that only takes away from it, IMO.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Apparently its fake...someone at CW likes to mess w people. Sorry. On my phone at urgent care.

Oh thank God.

And good luck at urgent care dude.

 

[DrCosmic]

I may be in the minority on this, but I hated the John Wesley Shipp suit. It was bulky and very un-flashlike, and it had the texture of a plush doll, attempting to turn Flash into Batman '89 or something. Do not want.

I'm looking for sleek and modern. You want to nod to the classic red spandex set up, but you want to modernize it. For arrow that meant adding some details, and bits to fit with something that has some basis in the real world. I think the same will be true for Flash. Big yellow silver age-y boots is a bad idea, imho. It makes ZERO sense for a runner. Update that crap. I don't think a visor is necessary to make the update work, even though it does make a lot more sense, it's a little too different, and having exposed eyes doesn't prevent much more of a conceptual issue than having the rest of the face exposed anyway. Maybe have the visor on a temporary basis as Flash's equivalent of 'facepaint.'

The yellow ribbing to 'replace' the yllow gloves and boots seems misplaced to me. There's a beauty to the large field of red that sort of exemplifies how Flash is really all about one thing. You don't want to lose that either. Keeping the yellow piping to the gloves and shoes area will allow you to give it some kind of functionality (a cooling system?) and nod to the yellow gloves and boots without doing too much. It will also explain why you are venting stuff in zig zags from the ears. That could be solid.

But armor looks? No thanks. Including the big bulky 90s costume. Eccch.



Also take a page from Arrow, the beginning is not necessarily what you'll have in the end.

 

[Nathan]

I may be in the minority on this, but I hated the John Wesley Shipp suit. It was bulky and very un-flashlike, and it had the texture of a plush doll, attempting to turn Flash into Batman '89 or something. Do not want.

And you are not alone. No one wants the return of the muscle suit. It's simply the basic design that's great. It's the classic Flash suit. Of course everyone wants it sleeker and streamlined. That's what we mean when we say update it with better material and detail changes.

Also take a page from Arrow, the beginning is not necessarily what you'll have in the end.

Not everything needs to be done like Arrow. I don't see why we can't have Flash start out his in classic red and yellow. He is a hero fan after all, and apparently he reads comics too. I would fully expect him to have the finished and classic Flash costume, when he starts playing hero.

Arrow started out as a vigilante, and is now slowly turning into a hero. Flash would skip that first step.

 

[Kevin Smith]

And you are not alone. No one wants the return of the muscle suit. It's simply the basic design that's great. It's the classic Flash suit. Of course everyone wants it sleeker and streamlined. That's what we mean when we say update it with better material and detail changes.



Not everything needs to be done like Arrow. I don't see why we can't have Flash start out his in classic red and yellow. He is a hero fan after all, and apparently he reads comics too. I would fully expect him to have the finished and classic Flash costume, when he starts playing hero.

Arrow started out as a vigilante, and is now slowly turning into a hero. Flash would skip that first step.

All this.

 

[Boy Scout]

With a few tweaks, this could have been a good, if not acceptable outfit.

Not everything needs to be done like Arrow.

Though I wouldn't mind seeing the Flash update his costume every now and again.

 

[gugumugats]

Do you know what shoes the originals are?

The ASM shoes are a painted ASICS Gel Dirt Dog 3:

http://www.amazon.com/ASICS-GEL-Dirt-Silver-Yellow-US/dp/B0028N7B0Y

I'm an avid cross country/trail runner and I'm a big fan of the Flash. It's one of the reasons I can take or leave the big yellow boots. I really cannot imagine someone having to run in boots in the distances the Flash runs (Speed Force or no Speed Force).

I wouldn't mind no yellow boots as long as they make the soles or threading yellow.

 

[Human Torch]

The Flash's 90's show costume was perfect.The reason it looked "bulky" or what have you is because of the cooling system they used,so Shipp would be (relatively) comfortable in the suit in between takes.I'm sure it wouldn't be necessary theses days.

(this reminds me of a funny aside- back when Michael Keaton was promoting Batman Returns on Larry King,a caller asked if his Batman costume had the same cooling system as the Flash.He responded in mock outrage,and pretended to take notes."Ok,let me get this straight,what kind of cooling system does the Flash use?!?" )

 

[KillerMcQueen]

The ASM shoes are a painted ASICS Gel Dirt Dog 3:

http://www.amazon.com/ASICS-GEL-Dirt-Silver-Yellow-US/dp/B0028N7B0Y

I'm an avid cross country/trail runner and I'm a big fan of the Flash. It's one of the reasons I can take or leave the big yellow boots. I really cannot imagine someone having to run in boots in the distances the Flash runs (Speed Force or no Speed Force).

I wouldn't mind no yellow boots as long as they make the soles or threading yellow.

I want the yellow boots to be like Spidey's red boots. not really boots so much as they just look like boots. The yellow boots are a big part of flash's costume visually and I'd hate to see them go.

 

[Kevin Smith]

The Flash's 90's show costume was perfect.The reason it looked "bulky" or what have you is because of the cooling system they used,so Shipp would be (relatively) comfortable in the suit in between takes.I'm sure it wouldn't be necessary theses days.

(this reminds me of a funny aside- back when Michael Keaton was promoting Batman Returns on Larry King,a caller asked if his Batman costume had the same cooling system as the Flash.He responded in mock outrage,and pretended to take notes."Ok,let me get this straight,what kind of cooling system does the Flash use?!?" )

Keaton is awesome. I'd love to see that interview bit.

 

[mkilban2]

I'm all for variation in adaptation, but my goodness I'm glad that image is a fake... No thank you times 1000!! Yuck! Lol.

If they can do it like the picture Bruce Begins posted on the prior page if be happy, although I can live without the boots, they're almost too flashy (at least in that image.) I wouldn't be opposed to toning down the brightness of the yellow/gold of the boots. But yeah, that picture brought to life on screen would be pretty dang solid.

The image of Flash kneeling that Kevin posted is really nice for the color I'd like to see, not shiny but more worn and muted. But I also don't want to see those goofy rainboot looking ones that were posted in KS other post with the multiple sketches lol.

The running shoe boots are sweet, I had no idea they did that for Spidey, I think using a technique like that would be the best way, running shoes made to look like boots makes the most practical sense.

 

[Herolee10]

I just hope that the costume comes off looking better than most of the costumes that SV had made for their comic book characters.

 

[The Guard]

The reason the 90's Flash suit looked bulky was because it was bulky and muscular.

I definitely would like to see something slimmer and less molded this time out.

 

[Sawyer]

I just hope that the costume comes off looking better than most of the costumes that SV had made for their comic book characters.

Well, in that regard, they've got a pilot's budget on their side, as opposed to the kind of budget they would see in their sixth season (when SV finally decided to start using costumes). If that show had done costumes from day 1, I think their results would've been better. For budget reasons and just to try to impress audiences, as opposed to saying "Eh, well, you're already here, so..."

 

[Nathan]

I hope it isn't molded at all. I love how the ASM2 costume now doesn't even have any spray on muscles on the suit itself. It's just form fitting and his toned body shows well through the suit.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I hope it isn't molded at all. I love how the ASM2 costume now doesn't even have any spray on muscles on the suit itself. It's just form fitting and his toned body shows well through the suit.

TASM2 suit is in a word, amazing, one of the best looking suits of all time, on par with or better than the Raimi suit (probably the only way Marc Webb's Spider-Man is superior to Raimi's, if any so far, but that's a topic for another thread... ).

 

[Bathead]

The Flash's 90's show costume was perfect.The reason it looked "bulky" or what have you is because of the cooling system they used,so Shipp would be (relatively) comfortable in the suit in between takes.I'm sure it wouldn't be necessary theses days.

(this reminds me of a funny aside- back when Michael Keaton was promoting Batman Returns on Larry King,a caller asked if his Batman costume had the same cooling system as the Flash.He responded in mock outrage,and pretended to take notes."Ok,let me get this straight,what kind of cooling system does the Flash use?!?" )

He said more or less the same on the Tonight Show as well.