Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 2

[DrCosmic]

He's telepathic, no need to make him talk physically. He could talk telepathically, Grodd can be done. Just not in season 1 maybe season 3 (if it gets that far).

This makes sense, it is also how I would do it.

Not really. This is 2014, AFTER films like Thor, The Avengers, Man of Steel, Hellboy, etc came out. All of those had weird stuff in them, and the audience bought it because the movies are entertaining. I'm not why Gorilla Grodd would so hard to buy after Loki, The Chituari, giant alien terraforming machines with hentai tentacle defense system, etc.

The same reason polka dot serial killers would be hard to buy. Or for that matter, the talking Gorillas on Power Rangers.

Trying to use TV budgets to reinterpret longstanding concepts is a bad idea. Planet of the Apes has the budget to make the apes beyond ridicule. The CW does not. It can be done, but it's not like... hey, if you liked robots in Man of Steel, after extensive exposition, you'll love talking Gorillas on the CW after two minutes of exposition.

 

[Lord Valumart]

Well Thor built up the world with Loki and Frost Giants. Established that Asgard had the technology to travel to different planets. Captain America gave us the cube with all it's powers. These things may feel small, but they're world building and then you add layers on top of that allowing people to believe in things within the fictional universe.

Throwing Grodd out there without some ground work is going to fail.

 

[Shikamaru]

Not really. This is 2014, AFTER films like Thor, The Avengers, Man of Steel, Hellboy, etc came out. All of those had weird stuff in them, and the audience bought it because the movies are entertaining. I'm not why Gorilla Grodd would so hard to buy after Loki, The Chituari, giant alien terraforming machines with hentai tentacle defense system, etc.

 

[Paradox1]

Not really. This is 2014, AFTER films like Thor, The Avengers, Man of Steel, Hellboy, etc came out. All of those had weird stuff in them, and the audience bought it because the movies are entertaining. I'm not why Gorilla Grodd would so hard to buy after Loki, The Chituari, giant alien terraforming machines with hentai tentacle defense system, etc.

Talking gorilla civilization hidden from the world under an invisible shield is a stretch. Half the world already believes in Aliens to begin with and a smaller fraction already subscribes to ancient astronaut theories. However you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who believes in talking apes.

 

[Loki882]

No, still not seeing the problem. I think that people here are giving the audience far too little credit. Every other time that it's been argued that the GA "won't buy this or that" in regards to CB movies/shows, the GA has ended up buying it. But people never seem to learn their lesson, no matter how many times that they've been proven wrong in the past.

 

[Lord Valumart]

No, still not seeing the problem. I think that people here are giving the audience far too little credit. Every other time that it's been argued that the GA "won't buy this or that" in regards to CB movies/shows, the GA has ended up buying it. But people never seem to learn their lesson, no matter how many times that they've been proven wrong in the past.

It's not about being proven wrong. It's allowing the world to be created where you can believe it's possible.

No one is saying no Grodd, just that they should leave him until they've done the foundations.

 

[DrCosmic]

No, still not seeing the problem. I think that people here are giving the audience far too little credit. Every other time that it's been argued that the GA "won't buy this or that" in regards to CB movies/shows, the GA has ended up buying it. But people never seem to learn their lesson, no matter how many times that they've been proven wrong in the past.

Not every time. When it's not done well, like Green Lantern, Catwoman, or Batman and Robin, the audience laughs and mocks the shenanigans, and rightly so, even though the same audience bought more ridiculous concepts previously. It has virtually nothing to do with other movies that have gone before, and everything to do with how that movie handles the material. So if the audience buying Superman and Silver Surfer doesn't cause them to buy Green Lantern, then the audience buying something in Avengers has nothing to do with whether they'll buy the same thing, much less something different, in the Flash TV show.

It's not about being proven wrong. It's allowing the world to be created where you can believe it's possible.

No one is saying no Grodd, just that they should leave him until they've done the foundations.

Exactly. I'm going one further though and saying the CW doesn't have the resources to lay the foundations for a decent Grodd.

 

[DrCosmic]

Grodd.. will probably be like Davis Bloome and Nicolas Hoult's Beast.

A human who devolves into a ape-like monster. Thats the only way it can be done on a tv budget.

I think they can do something closer to what Falling Skies did with animatronic/prosthetic monsters that 'speak' through people. That seems in Grodd's wheelhouse. The challenge is that since we see apes so much so often, getting something that moves consistently and accurately like an ape. I've seen ape suits close, but limiting how it moves and actually interacts will make it seem faker and faker. Never opening its mouth, never moving beyond the 'ape costume' range of motion...

 

[Rorschach2012]

Gorilla Grodd will work fine on tv. Don't animate his mouth to make him speak, have him speak through other people and telepathically. That's SO easy on a tv budget. They only problem was making his mouth move.

Also, I think the audience will be able to accept Grodd. They've accepted crazier things before. It'd be a good idea to ease the audience into the crazier aspects though. Start off with tech based villains like Cold and Mirror Master, then ease into Grodd maybe in season 2.

Planet of the Apes DOES prove that audiences can accept talking apes like Grodd. Anyone who disagrees with that is simply ignoring logic.

Grodd would totally work on tv, and i think audiences will be able to accept it. Gustin's portrayal of Barry is pretty lighthearted, I think his portrayal paired with an outlandish concept like Grodd will go very well together.

These are comic book adaptations after all, and this is 2014, people embrace the crazier aspects of comic books more now than they ever have before.

Posters like sebandres aggravate me..people like that always underestimate the general audience. The general audience will accept basically anything just so long as it's good. Grodd is a good character, there's a reason why comic fans like him, and a reason why he's been around for so long. The general audience can accept a LOT. this is a comic book adaptation, they know that. Just so long as Grodd is handled seriously, the character will be fine and people will love him just like comic fans have for decades.

 

[king666]

kinda worried we might get something like this:

 

[Sawyer]

That practically looks like Bart Allen's costume on SV. Kreisberg and co. said that's not the direction they're taking. I really doubt that's what we're getting.

 

[Crimz]

If they decide to do Grodd in later seasons, when he is telepathically communicating they should focus on his eyes like this:

They should be intense, I like the way a gorilla's eyes are intelligent and primal at the same time.Even though he is a silly character, they should treat him as a serious threat.
That Flash costume above looks like pyjamas.

 

[O'Haire]

kinda worried we might get something like this:

Pretty sure they have already said they will be going with the comic version of his costume.

 

[Sawyer]

Where is that even from? I mean... it looks like it's from a Kick-Ass comic or something.

They've gone relatively straight forward, costume-wise, with Arrow pretty much since the beginning. That first photo we got of Amell in-costume? Fantastic! Why go the other way with Flash? They don't want an Adrianne Palicki as WW kind of reaction to the costume...

 

[O'Haire]

Where is that even from?

Probably just some random fan redesign from DeviantArt.

 

[Sawyer]

Ah, I looked at the link. It's from the Justice League 3000 comic.

Yeah, I'm guessing that's not what we're getting. I mean, Gustin posted a pic on his instagram of him with his shirt collar pulled over his nose, but that's quite a leap.

 

[O'Haire]

Andrew Kreisberg: “No sweat suits or strange code names, he will be The Flash.”

That takes away any worries I have about how he will look.

 

[cleverusername8]

kinda worried we might get something like this:

I wouldn't mind if this is his starting costume. Like Peter's in Raimi's Spiderman 1. Then, when his hero career matures, he moves to the classic costume.

Similar to Arrow, the outfit should evolve as the character does. Ollie just got his mask, so Barry will likely have to earn his lightning bolt tips.

 

[Sawyer]

That would only be acceptable if it's, like, for the first third of the pilot episode.

Any longer than that... pass.

 

[Sawyer]

Cast/Comic Comparison

 

[Nathan]

That should be the starting costume for like 30 seconds at most. Once he has a hang of his powers, he should be able to make his costume in no time. He could design like 30 suits in the span of a few minutes.

 

[Kevin Smith]

You guys are nuts if you think they're touching Grodd in the immediate future of this show.

I don't think we'll see him anytime soon or if they do him real early on I doubt he'll actually be a gorilla... but it would be nice to see eventually. I'm cool if it's a while though.

 

[Mikelus]

Posters like sebandres aggravate me..people like that always underestimate the general audience. The general audience will accept basically anything just so long as it's good. Grodd is a good character, there's a reason why comic fans like him, and a reason why he's been around for so long. The general audience can accept a LOT. this is a comic book adaptation, they know that. Just so long as Grodd is handled seriously, the character will be fine and people will love him just like comic fans have for decades.

Get ready, more aggravation coming... t:

To do Grodd properly, a big budget is needed, cheap CGI or gorilla costumes won't cut it, that's one of the reasons why the SV version of Doomsday sucked. Plus the producers want to keep it grounded, so...

Kreisberg: In the same way that "Arrow" was conducive to bringing on characters like Deadshot and the Huntress and some of the more grounded people, hopefully with "The Flash" there's a way to bring on some of the more fantastical characters, that will probably still go through the grounding lens with which we view everything. But we could tackle some of the bigger villains, and possibly heroes. There's a hint of a major character in the pilot.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=49674

 

[solidsnake86]

I could definitely do without Grodd. Its a talking gorilla, may work for the comics, but for a tv show I just don't see it. Especially with the budget.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Cast/Comic Comparison

Ha why is it the guy playing Thawne and the girl playing Killer Frost look almost exactly like a PERFECT Barry Allen and Iris West? What the hell?

Lol wow... It's like they found the actors to match the parts just to show they could but cast them as different characters in the same show anyway....