The Dark Knight Rises The BB3 Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Chris Wallace]

I'm assuming he is either referring to Captain America or Spider-Man.

I was referring to Spider-Man but the comment is applicable to both.

 

[not_a_victim]

You're still not getting it. It's a movie making business, but not for me (and I assume) not for you. We have no financial stake in the Batman film franchise, other than what we choose to spend on tickets and merch. I form opinions on movies and media SOLELY based on artistic judgements and my own subjective likes and dislikes. Lady Gaga is a billionaire, but I still believe that she's a derivative hack posing as an artist. The Phantom Menace made almost a billion worldwide, and we both know the quality of that film.

Nolan's creative decisions have worked out just fine for him, but why should that matter to the discourse? I'm not Chris' friend, I have no emotional connection to his financial success. I'm just a lowly fanboy who wants to see what he wants to see. So why would, "it's popular with everyone else," be an acceptable argument to me?

And I hate to burst your bubble, but everyone who takes the time to post on an Internet message board about superheroes is a fanboy. 'Fanboy' denotes a level of interest, not subjective opinions regarding that interest.

No, you're still not getting it.
No, I am not a fanboy. Not at all. I'm not saying it is a negative thing to be a fanboy, 'cause e'rbody gotta have a hobby, ya know?
I am a movie buff, not specifically to superhero movies. Just because someone posts on a forum does not a fanboy make. Fanboys are those that simply can't tolerate anything other than the 'reality' they see in comics, and think/expect it to work on screen. I will agree that it denotes a level of interest, but it is one far above most folks' level of interest.

Now, you say why should Nolan's decisions amount in this discourse? Because he is making the movies, that is why.
And as to the bolded text, my answer to you is why should your opinions be an acceptable argument to any other person?
It's a two way street.

 

[JAK®]

Fanboys are those that simply can't tolerate anything other than the 'reality' they see in comics, and think/expect it to work on screen. I will agree that it denotes a level of interest, but it is one far above most folks' level of interest.

fanboy or fangirl

Main Entry: fanboy or fangirl

1 Part of Speech: n Definition: a person obsessed with an element of video or electronic culture, such as a game, sci-fi movie, comic or animé, music, etc; a person obsessed with any other single subject or hobby Etymology: 1919 Usage: slang

Main Entry: fanboy or fangirl 2 Part of Speech: n Definition: a person obsessed with an actor or a fictional character Etymology: 1919 Usage: slang

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fanboy+or+fangirl

Your definition is too specific.

 

[mcallima]

Now, you say why should Nolan's decisions amount in this discourse? Because he is making the movies, that is why.
And as to the bolded text, my answer to you is why should your opinions be an acceptable argument to any other person?
It's a two way street.

No, I said the financial aspects of those decisions shouldn't matter to the discourse. Saying, "the TDK suit makes Batman look like a modern knight," is a better viewpoint than, "the movie made a billion dollars so the suit really doesn't matter."

I never really try to change anyone's mind on subjective issues with my posts. I'll argue my opinions vigourously not out of any intent to win people over, but because it's fun. I love superheroes and I enjoy debating with other people who love superheroes. Whether people find my subjective arguments valid or not is irrelevant to me, it's not a battle to be won. But saying something is good because it's popular does not follow proper logic.

You have a skewed definition of fanboy, but JAK handled that nicely.

 

[Saint]

Why? Because the "nebulous majority" will not go see a bad ass such as Batman run around in circus tights.

Right! That's why nobody saw Superman, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man 2, Superman II... No, wait: they saw all of those movies. The general audience does not care whether or not a hero wears tights. That's why we call them the general audience and not the fans--because they don't care.

Nobody wants to see Dead End, but there's no reason to believe a costume on par with what's been seen from other comic adaptations would lose the film a single, solitary dime. Not to say that would be artistically appropriate for a Nolan movie, of course.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Right! That's why nobody saw Superman, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man 2, Superman II... No, wait: they saw all of those movies. The general audience does not care whether or not a hero wears tights. That's why we call them the general audience and not the fans--because they don't care.

Exactly. That's what I've been saying about nearly every costume discussion. The general audience doesn't give a damn about how the costumes look. We're the only ones who do.

 

[DaveMoral]

I just watched TDK again last night. I like the suit in that one, I like the rationalization for it. The only thing I would change is perhaps put a layer of strong kevlar material over top of the plates. That way it gives him a more streamlined look but maintains the flexibility and usefulness. Gets closer to the comic look. Make the bat logo stand out more. That's all. Otherwise I think we are fine. That layer of kevlar would give him bette protection from gunfire at a distance. Hopefully, at this point in his career, he's not going to be going into close range of gunfire without it A) being for a stealthy takedown at which point gunfire shouldn't be an issue or B) he's going to disarm them completely or be within such a range that the guy getting off a shot won't matter because he's already that close.

He can be close to a comic look without sacrificing the functionality that is being striven for in this movies.

 

[BruceWanner]

I just watched TDK again last night. I like the suit in that one, I like the rationalization for it. The only thing I would change is perhaps put a layer of strong kevlar material over top of the plates. That way it gives him a more streamlined look but maintains the flexibility and usefulness. Gets closer to the comic look. Make the bat logo stand out more. That's all. Otherwise I think we are fine. That layer of kevlar would give him bette protection from gunfire at a distance. Hopefully, at this point in his career, he's not going to be going into close range of gunfire without it A) being for a stealthy takedown at which point gunfire shouldn't be an issue or B) he's going to disarm them completely or be within such a range that the guy getting off a shot won't matter because he's already that close.

He can be close to a comic look without sacrificing the functionality that is being striven for in this movies.

No offense, but to you and everyone else who says Batman should wear the mesh layer over the plates, think about this. The suit's design is supposed to evoke knights' armor in that the mesh is supposed to look and function like chainmail under the armored plates.

 

[DaveMoral]

No offense, but to you and everyone else who says Batman should wear the mesh layer over the plates, think about this. The suit's design is supposed to evoke knights' armor in that the mesh is supposed to look and function like chainmail under the armored plates.

I don't think so. If we are evolving on the idea that the suit is first of all thematic... well, this film has the man on the run and we saw on numerous occasions in TDK the flaws in the plated suit with Batman getting stabbed and shot, along with his increased maneuverability as a positive... well, I think it makes sense to put a layer of kevlar over the top of it all. Increased protection from gunfire, and returns the Batman to a much more bestial look while maintaining the flexibility sought with the TDK design.

I see your point, but I don't really see why that particular thematic element is going to be necessary a second time around. And the increased protection just makes good sense.

 

[BruceWanner]

I don't think so. If we are evolving on the idea that the suit is first of all thematic... well, this film has the man on the run and we saw on numerous occasions in TDK the flaws in the plated suit with Batman getting stabbed and shot, along with his increased maneuverability as a positive... well, I think it makes sense to put a layer of kevlar over the top of it all. Increased protection from gunfire, and returns the Batman to a much more bestial look while maintaining the flexibility sought with the TDK design.

I see your point, but I don't really see why that particular thematic element is going to be necessary a second time around. And the increased protection just makes good sense.

I in fact would like a suit more aesthetically similar to the the suits from Batman Begins and Batman Returns. I don't have a lot of affection for the look of the Dark Knight suit, nor am I trying to make any kind of case for its practicality or lack thereof. I am simply stating that the way the layers are arranged in TDK's suit design is meant to have a very specific look, hence why a mesh underlayer was used in the first place. If they had meant the fabric layer to cover the armor, I highly doubt it would be mesh. Probably the only aesthetic reason they decided that the layer under the plates should be a mesh was to evoke the look and function of chainmail like a knight's. Why like a knight? Well the title of of the film makes the reason pretty clear.

 

[JAK®]

No offense, but to you and everyone else who says Batman should wear the mesh layer over the plates, think about this. The suit's design is supposed to evoke knights' armor in that the mesh is supposed to look and function like chainmail under the armored plates.

And here I thought the suit's design was meant to look like Batman...

 

[Travesty]

And here I thought the suit's design was meant to look like Batman...

Well, in defense of TDK-suit, I hear that turning your head invokes a lot of fear into criminals.

 

[DaveMoral]

I in fact would like a suit more aesthetically similar to the the suits from Batman Begins and Batman Returns. I don't have a lot of affection for the look of the Dark Knight suit, nor am I trying to make any kind of case for its practicality or lack thereof. I am simply stating that the way the layers are arranged in TDK's suit design is meant to have a very specific look, hence why a mesh underlayer was used in the first place. If they had meant the fabric layer to cover the armor, I highly doubt it would be mesh. Probably the only aesthetic reason they decided that the layer under the plates should be a mesh was to evoke the look and function of chainmail like a knight's. Why like a knight? Well the title of of the film makes the reason pretty clear.

Well, I never said anything about mesh. I said kevlar... which isn't necessarily a mesh layer. It's kevlar. The mesh under the TDK suit's plates has a specific look, which is not identical to kevlar.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Even though they are cosplayers the suits are pretty good. So do a comparison:

Just rebuild the third guy's suit with better materials and you'll get the perfect batsuit. Btw, Nightwing and Robin are great as well.

 

[RustyCage]

And here I thought the suit's design was meant to look like Batman...

That was making it look like Batman.

 

[JAK®]

Earle, I don't think that's a good example for a Batsuit. It's only a few steps above Dead End quality. I don't think we're going to see a good example of a comic-accurate Batsuit unless a future movie decides to make one.

 

[Bathead]

He did say to rebuild it with better materials. And I would agree with that.
(As a minor nit-pick, I would also darken the belt a little.)
Really, though, I see no reason why a high-quality version of that cosplayers' suit built by a professional Hollywood costumers couldn't work.

 

[Micah12345]

Even though they are cosplayers the suits are pretty good. So do a comparison:

Just rebuild the third guy's suit with better materials and you'll get the perfect batsuit. Btw, Nightwing and Robin are great as well.

That is some pretty awesome cosplay.

I'm not entirely against the idea of a faithful adaptation of the suit, but I just think the rubber ones look cooler.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Earle, I don't think that's a good example for a Batsuit. It's only a few steps above Dead End quality. I don't think we're going to see a good example of a comic-accurate Batsuit unless a future movie decides to make one.

What Bathead said:

He did say to rebuild it with better materials. And I would agree with that.
(As a minor nit-pick, I would also darken the belt a little.)
Really, though, I see no reason why a high-quality version of that cosplayers' suit built by a professional Hollywood costumers couldn't work.

Exactly. Even if his suit is not of the best quality, he still looks more badass and batman-like than that robo-batman with the rag on his shoulders.

That is some pretty awesome cosplay.

I know right? How did they make their suits?

I'm not entirely against the idea of a faithful adaptation of the suit, but I just think the rubber ones look cooler.

Fair enough.

 

[Mr. Earle]

So Bane will be in TDKR.

"We re gonna need more pads..."

 

[The Guard]

I was gonna say...I think we can look forward to Banebuster armor now.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Look forward to it? As if Batman didnt already look armoured enough?

 

[RustyCage]

Look forward to it? As if Batman didnt already look armoured enough?

I'm more interested in how armored Bane is going to look...

 

[JAK®]

There's going to be a riot on this board when Tom Hardy as Bane is revealed and he doesn't look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

 

[regwec]

Then some weasel will make the preposterous pronouncement that "Bane has been interpreted in many different ways by many different artists- he doesn't have to be totally musclebound".

Mark my words.