The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Info Hunters Thread - - - - - Part 1

[Troy_Parker]

I was thinking that just as I posed that comment, which is why I don't think we will see the pit.



Alright, I understand now. But just as Raganork8 has pointed out, what would be the point of it then?

It doesn't have to be there to heal Bruce. Could be there just for use in a flashback with Ra's and the LOS.

Wasn't there something about Ra's seeing a bald child emerging from the pit?

 

[The_Raganork]

It doesn't have to be there to heal Bruce. Could be there just for use in a flashback with Ra's and the LOS.

Wasn't there something about Ra's seeing a bald child emerging from the pit?

A pit

 

[Troy_Parker]

A pit

The pit we've seen pictures of.

 

[The_Raganork]

Sure but, #1 that was all speculation

#2 that doesn't mean it was the lazarus pit.

 

[Yurka]

Just got back from the Pittsburgh Casting Call, not much news but one interesting tidbit one of the organizers gave was that there are "lots of scenes with only male actors" as well as "lots of prison scenes, and cop scenes".

 

[Troy_Parker]

Sure but, #1 that was all speculation

#2 that doesn't mean it was the lazarus pit.

I know that. I'm just saying that it's likely to be the pit as opposed to some random hole in the ground.

 

[The_Raganork]

Just got back from the Pittsburgh Casting Call, not much news but one interesting tidbit one of the organizers gave was that there are "lots of scenes with only male actors" as well as "lots of prison scenes, and cop scenes".

:Up:

Stored in memory banks!

also...

sounds like my kind of part

 

[Troy_Parker]

You mean besides the very ridiculous premise of "curving" bullet trajectory simply by flipping your wrist?

Jesus ****ing Christ.

By fantastical, I was referring to MAGIC.

 

[Troy_Parker]

So do you guys think Bane's mask will look like this from the front?

It's really good manip. Fooled me for a second.

 

[Alex Logan]

It doesn't have to be there to heal Bruce. Could be there just for use in a flashback with Ra's and the LOS.

Wasn't there something about Ra's seeing a bald child emerging from the pit?

Yes, it could. I'm just trying to understand why Nolan would put that scene in the film.

Think so, not sure.

Jesus ****ing Christ.

By fantastical, I was referring to MAGIC.

Pay no attention to people who have a post count of 3.

 

[Mr. Earle]

So do you guys think Bane's mask will look like this from the front?

It's really good manip. Fooled me for a second.

If that's how he looks i will be disappointed.

 

[BatScot]

I don't see much evidence for this. What I would say, tho, Is that Nolan clearly wanted to maintain an air of mystery around the Joker, hence the lack of origin. And make-up is more conducive to this, as an audience can see it for themselves, and therefore no further explanation or reasoning for the look is required.

Well that's the point, isn't it. No explanation is required because that is the most probable reason. It is the most probable reason because if you or I were to experience a man in white face we would most likely conclude he is wearing some sort of make-up or disguise. We would come to that conclusion because it consistent with the known. In the film this consistency with the known is synonymous with being grounded in a sense of realism. The fact is self evident.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Pay no attention to people who have a post count of 3.

I'll try. t:

 

[Travesty]

If that's how he looks i will be disappointed.

Prepare for disappointment.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Prepare for disappointment.

I think this might be his mark I mask when he first appears. Later he'll get a proper suit. That's what i'm hoping at least.

 

[BatScot]

I never said the lazarus pit could heal a broken spine. BUT, as I've already said... (and this will satisfy your need for an explanation) what if they come up with some pseduo-scientific explanation as to how the pit has healing properties.

Would you then be happy?

BS is BS.

I'm not saying the lazarus pit is definitely going to be in the movie but, it could be. Nolan's got a way with things, you can bet that if he does use the pit, he'll explain how (even if vaguely) it works.

There's bending the rules and breaking them... this would be breaking them to the point of being ridiculous and to this point at least that is one criticism I have not heard leveled against Nolan's approach.

 

[Boom]

I agree with BatScot.

I thought the microwave emitter and sonar device were bad enough in Nolan's universe. But a pit with healing properties that can properly mend a broken spine?

My eyes would be a-rollin'.

 

[Mr. Earle]

But the cape which he holds with his hands while gliding to hold the beams in place, the tank that can jump on rooftops, the fact that batman didnt just die on his first night out are all fine with you?

 

[Boom]

Yep.

Except for the Tumbler's jumping capability, which was also stupid.

 

[Troy_Parker]

But the cape which he holds with his hands while gliding to hold the beams in place, the tank that can jump on rooftops, the fact that batman didnt just die on his first night out are all fine with you?

I'm glad that somebody sees it from my point of view. t:

...And why do people think it's going to heal his spine?

 

[iamcitizen]

I love how many fans on the internet are under the delusion that they are smarter than the filmmakers. As if Chris Nolan and co. didn't know that Batman's gadgets or Two-Face's injuries were unrealistic. Those aren't mistakes, folks, that was the intention.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I love how many fans on the internet are under the delusion that they are smarter than the filmmakers. As if Chris Nolan and co. didn't know that Batman's gadgets or Two-Face's injuries were unrealistic. Those aren't mistakes, folks, that was the intention.

Nobody's saying they're realistic.

Well, some are.

The point that we're trying to get across is, with all of the things that Batman/his gadgets can do, along with Two-Face's injuries (as you've mentioned)... why can't the lazarus pit exist? It doesn't have to be something that brings back people from the dead, it could be altered to fit in Nolan's Batman.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Sorry to post this again. But the properties that govern the Pit are real. It is just the speed they work that are not. Just like there are microwave emitters, just they are nothing at all how they worked in Batman Begins, there are hallucinogens, just not how they work in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, using something as abstract as fear. And just like their are burn victims, but none that can survive what Harvey did, let alone walk around for a day, without infection or septic shock. If you must have everything rationalized, you must accept, almost everything can be rationalized.

 

[The_Raganork]

Sorry to post this again. But the properties that govern the Pit are real. It is just the speed they work that are not. Just like there are microwave emitters, just they are nothing at all how they worked in Batman Begins, there are hallucinogens, just not how they work in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, using something as abstract as fear. And just like their are burn victims, but none that can survive what Harvey did, let alone walk around for a day, without infection or septic shock. If you must have everything rationalized, you must accept, almost everything can be rationalized.

Am I just supposed to take your word on this?

 

[BatScot]

It amazes me how many profess trust in Nolan yet ignore the very things he and David Goyer have had to say about grounding their approach to Batman in realism:

CINESCAPE #75 June 2004

DG: “We were trying to make the movie as realistic as possible... I don’t think anyone approached Batman in that way before and with that respect.”

Entertainment Weekly #817 April 29, 2005

EW: [Nolan] told Warner Bros. that if he was going to make Batman… His Batman would be grounded in the real world.

WIZARD #164 June 2005

WIZARD: When Nolan first signed on, he sold the studio on his vision of a Batman grounded in reality…

CN: “The only way to make a film worthy of this great character is to dive in and view him as a real character, and the world as a real world.”

WIZARD: The world Nolan wanted to create for Batman would be grounded in realism—“a recognizable, contemporary reality against which an extraordinary, heroic figure arises,” explains [Nolan].

DG: “We wanted to make the film realistic… and we wanted the audience to believe that someone might actually embark upon this venture.”