The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Trailer Thread - Part 2

[Van Petrol]

Yeah...absolutely. I didn't know this was something not thought for common knowledge.

I think we're going to see parallels in Ra's life to Bruce, so much so that they end up being in the same place at times.

Even look at Bale in that scene where he ask what the chant is. He looks like Pence or a Young ra's.

I think ultimately what convinces him to go back, to be that thing no one else can be, is that he starts to see Ra's al Ghul in himself. bitter, selfish, tired, lonely.

Take what TDK was and apply it to Ra's speech when Bruce was recovering from his dip in the frozen ocean.

"I had a wife once"

I can easily imagine Bruce coming to that state in his life and when he sees that (as well as the physical similarities to Ra's) he realizes he can't dictate to Gotham how it has to be, he's got to have Gotham WANT to be the good he imagines and he's only a protector of that collective ideal.

I mentioned all of this often back in the early days of production, but it just kept getting poo-poo'd.

 

[The_Raganork]

Not by me!

Its a fine idea

 

[Blue_Scholar]

The more I listen to the chant the more I hear "This is awesome, awesome. This is awesome, awesome". I'd have to agree.

Oh my god your right!!

 

[DaveMoral]

Ra's, without a doubt, will be a looming presence over this film. He's influenced everything about Batman... in particular, the very notion that he can just go about bringing good to the world by punching away the symptoms of a much larger problem.

I remember the very idea of Ra's, Talia, the League of Shadows etc having anything to do with this movie being denigrated during the spring.

 

[ggghhh]

Yeah...absolutely. I didn't know this was something not thought for common knowledge.

Well you say this prison where Ra's was could be in Gotham, so...

 

[The_Raganork]

Ra's, without a doubt, will be a looming presence over this film. He's influenced everything about Batman... in particular, the very notion that he can just go about bringing good to the world by punching away the symptoms of a much larger problem.

I think this is the first time we've agreed on anything.

But yes, this is totally correct.

Wayne hasn't been doing things the right way this entire time. He's still a LoS Ninja in a Bat costume. He hasn't become that thing he needs to be yet and it looks like the civil unrest in Gotham might teach him that

 

[Van Petrol]

Ra's, without a doubt, will be a looming presence over this film. He's influenced everything about Batman... in particular, the very notion that he can just go about bringing good to the world by punching away the symptoms of a much larger problem.

I remember the very idea of Ra's, Talia, the League of Shadows etc having anything to do with this movie being denigrated during the spring.

This. It's something that those who seem to have a personal disdain for Ra's and the Al Ghul's seem to forget about this series and Nolan's Batman in particular.

 

[The_Raganork]

Well you say this prison where Ra's was could be in Gotham, so...

There's no reason to think the Fort and the Prison are the same place though. The fort was use for Exteriors.

 

[Van Petrol]

Not by me!

Its a fine idea

Nope. Not by you, man.

 

[ggghhh]

There's no reason to think the Fort and the Prison are the same place though. The fort was use for Exteriors.

Well I see Ra's being locked up in a secret giant underground Gotham prison could give him an extra grudge against the place... but nah. The foreign location of the Fort, the well-top and the weird prison location fit like a glove to me.


Changing the subject, where is Alfred? It looks he's got himself a little house in England or something. Probably not, but it seems to lack the grandeur of Wayne Manor.

 

[Nevincer]

I'm wondering about Selina predicting the "storm" that is coming... is she in league with Bane at the beginning or does she just have good foresight?

 

[Van Petrol]

I'm wondering about Selina predicting the "storm" that is coming... is she in league with Bane at the beginning or does she just have good foresight?

Perhaps it's the word on the street, that stuff spreads like wildfire. Or it could be a case of everyone at the masquerade ball playing chinese whispers.

 

[hellblazer103]

I'm wondering about Selina predicting the "storm" that is coming... is she in league with Bane at the beginning or does she just have good foresight?

i think she's just got a personal vendetta or something against bruce and plans to steal from him. that'd be my guess but maybe i'm wrong.

 

[Just_Human]

I'm wondering about Selina predicting the "storm" that is coming... is she in league with Bane at the beginning or does she just have good foresight?

Well, since she doesnt come from a wealthy family, I guess that she is aware of the social unrest

 

[ggghhh]

I'm wondering about Selina predicting the "storm" that is coming... is she in league with Bane at the beginning or does she just have good foresight?

I think she's just representing the general feeling of the public, they're up for revolt and Bane takes advantage of that. It might be something deeper than that though.

 

[DC2739]

I think she's just representing the general feeling of the public, they're up for revolt and Bane takes advantage of that. It might be something deeper than that though.

Without getting into the debate about what it all means...

I just thought it was a perfect line for Selina/Catwoman to say. That is exactly the kind of dialogue I would expect from her.

 

[DaveMoral]

I think this is the first time we've agreed on anything.

But yes, this is totally correct.

Wayne hasn't been doing things the right way this entire time. He's still a LoS Ninja in a Bat costume. He hasn't become that thing he needs to be yet and it looks like the civil unrest in Gotham might teach him that

Eh, probably not the first time. Maybe the first time you've taken notice. I don't think we've disagreed over anything significant since the row over Talia way back before the August Pittsburgh shoots.

And yeah, Bruce really has to learn this major lesson. Of course, I think this in part because I really don't want to see this film turned into an anti-OWS/99%er screed by pundits. Instead I'd like to see Nolan take a serious approach to the topic by admitting the validity and credibility of the objections to the obscene wealth of the economic elites and the obscene poverty of working poor. All we've seen Batman do is fight and fight, he's spawned freaks and he's basically tried to punch out crime. You just can't do that.

The shame of it is, he's been at this 8 years and apparently hasn't gotten into the philanthropy game. That two pronged approach has been a hallmark of Batman/Bruce Wayne basically since the Adam West days.

 

[BestGirl]

I think she's just representing the general feeling of the public, they're up for revolt and Bane takes advantage of that. It might be something deeper than that though.

She sounds a little too sure of herself for me to buy that it's just some opinion of hers, and it would be awfully coincidental if that were the case. Since she's a thief I suspect she's heard about Bane's plan through her underworld connections.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well I think it's safe to say when Bruce is in prison it's not a flashback of what when he travelled across the world in BB. He has has the greying hair he has with the other present scenes.

 

[mclay18]

Since I work at a theater, I've watched the trailer in glorious digital projection four times. Nolan was correct, in that he and Wally Pfister went back to the lighting and color schemes of both BB and TDK. (The scene with Selina putting on the pearl necklace in the mirror feels like a deleted scene from BB.)

 

[Blue_Scholar]

Damn it dude! It's forever changed now. It's like when I watch TDK, I can never keep a straight face when Alfred harps on about those Burmese tangerines, I mean rubies, Imean bandits, children, tangerines! I'll never escape it!







....This-IS, AWESOME, AWESOME, this-IS, AWESOME AWESOME, this-IS, AWESOME, AWESOME...

 

[Nevincer]

Eh... TDK sometimes had the BB colour scheme too, so I wouldn't exactly call it going back.

 

[munchie64]

Damn it dude! It's forever changed now. It's like when I watch TDK, I can never keep a straight face when Alfred harps on about those Burmese tangerines, I mean rubies, Imean bandits, children, tangerines! I'll never escape it!







....This-IS, AWESOME, AWESOME, this-IS, AWESOME AWESOME, this-IS, AWESOME, AWESOME....

You're welcome

 

[antsman41]

I love that the new Manor is a spitting image in the trailer. No one but us Batfreaks will now it's a different mansion...

 

[Syncope]

Well I think it's safe to say when Bruce is in prison it's not a flashback of what when he travelled across the world in BB. He has has the greying hair he has with the other present scenes.

I've thought from the start that there is no chance that it was a flashback scene.

It makes more sense that after Bane defeats him, he somehow ends up the prison and is forced to rise again as he did in BB.