Dark Phoenix $ The DARK PHOENIX Box Office Speculation ThreaD $

[Shuri]

a lot of people talked very well about the performance of the actors playing Cyclops, Phoenix, Storm, Nightcrawler, Beast, Magneto.

. What performance?

 

[Shuri]

It could be fine, but it still is likely to take a big hit. Look at Spider-Man. Maybe the most popular superhero in the world, and Homecoming did pretty good with Marvel Studios after some substandard films. But even though it did well, it is hard to argue that he wasn't tarnished in some degree when his MCU movie is still massively underperforming characters like Black Panther and Captain Marvel. Spider-Man would normally be leading the MCU in box office results, not hanging around in the middle of the pack.

Agreed. This movie will really affect the Xmen brand. Noboby should expect big money from the first MCU xmen movie. The best course of action is to bench the xmen franchise for a few years (Kevin Fiege already said 5 years), and then put some of the characters in other MCU movies. Hopefully the audience will come to care about them as much as they do other MCU characters.

 

[Fallen]

. What performance?

Ikr?

20 years later and Storm is still a background/token character.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Ouch! I expected it to do bad, but even I thought it wouldn't be that bad. That's the type of performance that destroys careers.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Ouch! I expected it to do bad, but even I thought it wouldn't be that bad. That's the type of performance that destroys careers.

Kinberg will probably fail upward again... I just wonder what juicy gig he will get next?

 

[-Arya-]

The last film in a 20 year franchise will make less than the first film with a new IP for WB and DC (Shazam!) Wow.

 

[Detective Conan]

Repeat after me.

An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.
An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.
An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.
An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.
An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.
An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.

 

[samsnee]

This is just pathetic. Part of me wonders what they would have done if they hadn’t sold to Disney.

Would we have finally gotten a clean reboot?

 

[terry78]

Fox has always had the means to produce good X-Men movies from a budget and director standpoint but they always cheaped out to me on both fronts.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

This is just pathetic. Part of me wonders what they would have done if they hadn’t sold to Disney.

Would we have finally gotten a clean reboot?

It sounds like it would have been a very different movie without Disney’s involvement. Would have been better? Who knows. But I think the Disney acquisition killed any interest outside die-hard fans.

 

[samsnee]

It sounds like it would have been a very different movie without Disney’s involvement. Would have been better? Who knows. But I think the Disney acquisition killed any interest outside die-hard fans.

Yeah that seems far fetched. Legally Disney couldn’t have interfered until they acquisition was done.

And I doubt the general public cared enough about the deal to affect their interest in this movie either way. Apocalypse showed that interest in this series was already going away.

 

[sleekstereo]

At least the anger should keep this fourm alive for a bit. Lol

 

[sleekstereo]

Disney about to take a 300 - 400 million loss after all is said and done. Yikes.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

OS estimated at $107 million total. Highlights:

 

[writer0327]

Yeah this is gonna get ooogly! They'll take a bath on this one. X Men needs to sit for a few years.

 

[writer0327]

This is just pathetic. Part of me wonders what they would have done if they hadn’t sold to Disney.

Would we have finally gotten a clean reboot?

I don't think it's Disney's fault. After Apocalypse it was a DOA franchise with Fox. Too inconsistent.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

I think the problem were the changes. The original trailer made for the Russian audiences seem to be better. Even though I didn't watch it, that what I keep hearing. Also, I feel like it was a mistake to make the Phoenix look cosmic instead of fire.

 

[Mysteryman]

Agreed. This movie will really affect the Xmen brand. Noboby should expect big money from the first MCU xmen movie. The best course of action is to bench the xmen franchise for a few years (Kevin Fiege already said 5 years), and then put some of the characters in other MCU movies. Hopefully the audience will come to care about them as much as they do other MCU characters.

5 years is a good idea.
It could be longer though, maybe 10 years.

 

[Mysteryman]

Repeat after me.

An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.
An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.
An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.
An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.
An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.
An X-Men film should not be opening less than a Shazam movie.

I think its a bit of X-Men fatigue.
The franchise needs to rest for awhile.

 

[Zarex]

Disney about to take a 300 - 400 million loss after all is said and done. Yikes.

It's not going to be THAT high. The rumored budget was $200M plus we can assume about half that in marketing. With Fox's share of domestic and foreign BO, streaming and physical sales I figure at least half of the total cost will be covered. The loss will probably be between $100 to $150M.

The loss will be high, but the Mouse has had to eat an expensive flop pretty much every year during their run of BO dominance. So this ain't knew. And the silver lining is a flop like DP will get most of the long time fans onboard for the MCU reboot.

 

[Mysteryman]

Yeah that seems far fetched. Legally Disney couldn’t have interfered until they acquisition was done.

And I doubt the general public cared enough about the deal to affect their interest in this movie either way. Apocalypse showed that interest in this series was already going away.

Agreed. The failure of this film is ENTIRELY on Fox's shoulders.

 

[Frankeh]

It sounds like it would have been a very different movie without Disney’s involvement. Would have been better? Who knows. But I think the Disney acquisition killed any interest outside die-hard fans.

No reason for Disney to sabotage a movie they would have to release themselves later and also a franchise that they would get to reboot anyways.

Simon Kinberg and Hutch Parker are to blame. Kinberg especially is the kiss of death for comic book movies. DOFP was a fluke.

 

[Hammer!]

This is an embarrassing flop that could easily be the biggest in the genre depending on overseas. Have we ever had a 200 million budgeted CBM make less than 100 million domestic? Woof.

 

[FunkMiller]

Agreed. This movie will really affect the Xmen brand. Noboby should expect big money from the first MCU xmen movie. The best course of action is to bench the xmen franchise for a few years (Kevin Fiege already said 5 years), and then put some of the characters in other MCU movies. Hopefully the audience will come to care about them as much as they do other MCU characters.

Not sure about this. We live in an age of fast turnover when it comes to superhero reboots. Homecoming did fine, despite the horror of ASM 2.

X-Men under Feige will do fine. It'll be so different to the garbage Fox have been putting out.

The same will apply to Reeves's Batman.

Audiences are willing to forget a previous disaster, if they know everything is different about this new iteration.