Dark Phoenix $ The DARK PHOENIX Box Office Speculation ThreaD $

[psylockolussus]

Its like before MCu gets to reboot something, the last movie for the ip had to be a total disaster. Its really reminiscent of the Fant4stic failure. While tasm2 don't look much of a failure compare to this. Just, yikes the domestic box office numbers of Fant4stic and Dark PhoeniX aren't far from each other. It won't even outgross the original Blade!

Anyway, Mib International is going to outgross it this weekend and as eXpected, its already out of the top ten after just 3 weekends!

For reference:
Elektra (spinoff of Daredevil): $24,409,722
Blade Trinity: $52,411,906
Punisher War Zone (reboot): $8,050,977
Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance (requel): $51,774,002
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (sequel of the reboot): $202,853,933
Fant4stic (reboot): $56,117,548
Dark PhoeniX (retreading of X3): $63,576,878

The only film (before the rights reverted to Marvel) that wasn't as disastrous as those films is Hulk 2003, though it wasn't also a beloved and successful film. And I guess Deadpool, but Deadpool was part of the X-Men film series since Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool first appeared in Origins and of course the cameos, so its not eXactly a separate entity. I'm interested to see how the Sony Non-Mcu live action will last long. I don't see Morbius being a hit next summer and Venom 2 could have a sophomore slump. While a solo film for Black Cat, Kraven the Hunter and Silver Sable aren't even a sure thing as of today.

And for the love of mutants, just please don't release The New Mutants in theaters. Enough mutant blood has been spilled. Release it through YouTube, Hulu, NetfliX, Disney +, whatever streaming apps out there. I don't want to see its low box office numbers!

 

[itsrivv]

They’d be INSANE to put more money into new mutants. No one was gonna see that to begin with and if the main X-men movie still did so horribly after “fixing” it with reshoots, there is no way this movie stands a chance. The whole concept was never gonna work in my opinion, the interest just wasnt there and Fox didn’t know how to generate it. Throw it on Hulu for Halloween and let it finally die lol

 

[Maestro216]

This movie made as much as Dumbo this past weekend, which has been out 14 weeks and already available for home viewing.

Phoenix has surpassed Hellboy for most underwhelming Comic Book film of the year.

 

[shinlyle]

Phoenix has surpassed Hellboy for most underwhelming Comic Book film of the year.

Still looking for that one person who posted that this film was going to outdo Avengers Endgame...
... it was funny then, but it's hilarious, now!

 

[TheNewSlayer]

My God, this movie will make less than 80 million in America and nobody marked this option. Nobody marked this option, this is driving crazy.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Dark Phoenix is losing 761 theater this week (64%). It will be only in 426 theaters.

Theater Counts for Week 27 of 2019

 

[sleekstereo]

Well, this movie has come and gone.
It will be forgettable in a couple of months. Stick a fork in it.

 

[samsnee]

It’s already been forgotten.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its been forgotten but here's more box office trivia from me:

Its not gonna outgross Blade. Because where is the additional 5 million gonna come from?

When it comes to modern comic book Marvel films, it has only outgrossed five Marvel film adaptations when it comes to adjusted numbers.

The good news is it will outgross Hulk 2003 worldwide! yas Kinberg!

Anyway I saw the film twice (once in the opening weekend/once in the second weekend). The first viewing was free so I only paid for the movie once. Last Sunday, the mall I went to, it was down to 2 screenings. And its probably not in theaters anymore from my city due to Spider-Man Far From Home. Anyway I would have seen it for the third time if I liked the cast. Such a shame if you think about it, this is the last X-Men movie for awhile, lìke maybe in 5 years yet I couldn't even give it a third time inside the cinema. Well I didn't want to waste money.

 

[Charzhin0]

Anyway I saw the film twice (once in the opening weekend/once in the second weekend). The first viewing was free so I only paid for the movie once. Last Sunday, the mall I went to, it was down to 2 screenings. And its probably not in theaters anymore from my city due to Spider-Man Far From Home. Anyway I would have seen it for the third time if I liked the cast. Such a shame if you think about it, this is the last X-Men movie for awhile, lìke maybe in 5 years yet I couldn't even give it a third time inside the cinema. Well I didn't want to waste money.

Wasting time is worse

 

[psylockolussus]

Wasting time is worse

Well I already wasted my money the first time around, since i fell asleep unintentionally. But don't worry, I didn't waste my time that day.

 

[samsnee]

Box Office: 'Toy Story 4' Crosses $600 Million, 'Aladdin' Passes $900 Million And 'John Wick 3' Tops 'Jason Bourne'

Finally, Dark Phoenix will earn $430,000 (-76%) for a new $64.628 million cume. This one will finish below what X-Men: Apocalypse earned ($65.7 million) in its Fri-Sun portion of its $78 million Fri-Mon Memorial Day weekend in 2016. And without much overseas juice left in the can, it'll end up just over $250 million worldwide on a $200 million budget. And yes, by earning less than 1.39x its budget, it is indeed a bigger box office bust than even Fantastic Four ($167 million in 2015 on a $120 million budget)

 

[itsrivv]

These characters have been so important to me as I grew up, it’s so sad to watch all this. I just hope in a few years they come back and do better than ever

 

[darthcoolness3]

since Fox is part of Disney, if Dark Phoenix fails, Disney can just make up the lost box office money with Star Wars, Frozen 2, and The Lion King

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

You need to get out of your bubble then. I can't say whether its a majority or a minority but there is definitely a significant number of people who don't know or don't care about following comic book movie universes.

I saw Spider-Man last night and I could hear confused reactions everytime there was a reference to something from Endgame. You would think everyone and their grandma has seen the Avengers movies but obviously these were people who just came out to the see the latest Spidey flick.

Just like I could hardly tell you the difference between Twilight or Hunger Games or whatever other crappy tween novel they are adapting next.

If a significant number couldn't tell the difference we wouldn't see the box office discrepancy that we have been. That's the bottom line. Numbers never lie. Anecdotes do.

 

[Iceman]

since Fox is part of Disney, if Dark Phoenix fails, Disney can just make up the lost box office money with Star Wars, Frozen 2, and The Lion King

That isn’t good though is it? If someone steals everything from my house tomorrow I can sell my car to make up for it and buy everything back. I won’t be too happy about it though.

 

[Luigi]

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

We've seen movie after movie get an MCU boost. This isn't just a couple of films. We've seen it repeatedly. Even stuff like Ant-Man & Wasp and Dr. Strange can gross over $600 million. Things like reviews don't even matter. Captain Marvel got noticeably worse reviews than Wonder Woman, was about a far less iconic character, and didn't have the advantage of being the first big female superhero film. It didn't matter. Captain Marvel still crushed Wonder Woman by $300 million at the box office. The difference? One was MCU, one wasn't.

There is so much evidence to support it that you would have to be blind not to see it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

There's also the fact that the MCU has simply had better movies. Even their worst are still enjoyable on some level. The lowest RT score is 66%.

While the X-Men and DC franchises have had multiple stinkers.

Well, yeah. That doesn't change my point though. How can audiences both know that the MCU makes better movies and not know that the MCU is different from Fox/Sony/DC at the same time? The answer is that the latter part is not true. They, by and large (there are always a few Flat Earthers that go against the grain, but don't matter much), DO know the difference between MCU films and those other films. Keep in mind that on an individual level, reviews don't really matter. That 91% Shazam got still couldn't get it to $400 million. Neither could Into the Spider-Verse.

And even fantastic, popular movies like Logan and Deadpool can't do the numbers of several MCU films. Like I said, this isn't just a couple of films. There is a clear pattern over MANY films that simply being in the MCU gives a film a boost at the box office, regardless of the quality of that particular film.

 

[Fallen]

The Incredible Hulk (lowest-grossing MCU movie): $263,427,551
Dark Phoenix: 249,172,061

 

[Xarus]

Well, yeah. That doesn't change my point though. How can audiences both know that the MCU makes better movies and not know that the MCU is different from Fox/Sony/DC at the same time? The answer is that the latter part is not true. They, by and large (there are always a few Flat Earthers that go against the grain, but don't matter much), DO know the difference between MCU films and those other films. Keep in mind that on an individual level, reviews don't really matter. That 91% Shazam got still couldn't get it to $400 million. Neither could Into the Spider-Verse.

And even fantastic, popular movies like Logan and Deadpool can't do the numbers of several MCU films. Like I said, this isn't just a couple of films. There is a clear pattern over MANY films that simply being in the MCU gives a film a boost at the box office, regardless of the quality of that particular film.

Despite the notion that the ga is ignorant there is a very simple difference between mcu and other marvel movies.

The Marvel Studios logo. Up until phase 2 the mcu used the old marvel logo with the flashing comic pages. From 2016 onwards they are using live action heroes flashing through the logo with giacchinos score playing. Its a clear distinction from sony and fox marvel movies which still use the old logo.

When for 10 movies you straight you see images of iron man, cap, wanda, hulk, vision, hawkeye, black widow and black panther when a movie starts and says marvel AND YOU DONT SEE THAT IN THE OTHER MARVEL FILMS your brain makes the distinction and you realize the one is mcu and the other is not.

Its actually pretty clever.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Well I already wasted my money the first time around, since i fell asleep unintentionally.

Same

 

[Iceman]

There's also the fact that the MCU has simply had better movies. Even their worst are still enjoyable on some level. The lowest RT score is 66%.

While the X-Men and DC franchises have had multiple stinkers.

Right, but the Fox films don’t get much of a boost for being in their universe. DofP was excellent but its numbers don’t compare to the top MCU films. The likes of Iron Man 3, Captain Marvel and Black Panther are solo character films competing with the event films of other franchises, while the MCU event films are getting into the stratosphere with EG coming in at more than double what the latest Stars Wars Episode film did.

 

[psylockolussus]

It just shows how foX didn't really lived up to the potential of the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. The action feels limited, you'd be lucky to see if a female character is represent well (Xpecially X-Men is home to the fiercest female characters in Marvel), the scale feels smaller compare to other blockbusters and its like the filmmakers are almost embarrassed to show the iconic costumes, costumes which are part of the iconography of the mutants Xpecially the X-Men. Seriously they have Storm in a polo shirt in the freaking poster and Cyclops in a plain shirt.

 

[Iceman]

It just shows how foX didn't really lived up to the potential of the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. The action feels limited, you'd be lucky to see if a female character is represent well (Xpecially X-Men is home to the fiercest female characters in Marvel), the scale feels smaller compare to other blockbusters and its like the filmmakers are almost embarrassed to show the iconic costumes, costumes which are part of the iconography of the mutants Xpecially the X-Men. Seriously they have Storm in a polo shirt in the freaking poster and Cyclops in a plain shirt.

It’s being murdered by characters the audience had no deep bond with ahead of time like Cap Marvel, Black Panther and Aquaman. The best box office the X-franchise can produce over 2 decades is nowhere near any of those on their first attempt!