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Since folk are saying this is getting tiring, I'll try to lighten the mood a little:
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Seriously. That scene where he pushes Lois shouldn’t have ended with her falling off the building. She should have swatted him away like a gnat and knocked him on his ass.
 
Deck Rickard said:
Seriously. That scene where he pushes Lois shouldn’t have ended with her falling off the building. She should have swatted him away like a gnat and knocked him on his ass.
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Have to agree here. After painting Lois as this wholly capable woman who gets "writer's block if she is not wearing a flak jacket," she'd have just over-powered Luthor.
 
-Arya- said:
More of an annoying, twitchy, overt psycho. Not Lex Luthor at all.
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He was a businessman, a criminal mastermind and a mad scientist.
Publicly seen as a great philanthropist but secretly a mass murderer.
An egotistical monster, obsessed with power and possessing an intense hatred of anyone telling him what he can and can't do.
He's a manufacturer of advanced weaponry and has his own private army who do his bidding across the globe.
He abuses the political system for his own ends, bribing, blackmailing and threatening people at various levels to advance his agenda.
He sees human lives as disposable, using people as pawns and callously destroying them if it suits him.
He hates Superman with a burning passion that threatens to consume him entirely.
Lois Lane is the reporter who investigates Lexcorp and discovers what he has been hiding.
He will kill even those closest to him in order to get what he wants.

He kidnaps Lois Lane, delivers a big monologue and tries to kill Superman using kryptonite and supertechnology.

That all sounds an awful lot like Lex Luthor to me.
 
Aurakles said:
He was a businessman, a criminal mastermind and a mad scientist.
Publicly seen as a great philanthropist but secretly a mass murderer.
An egotistical monster, obsessed with power and possessing an intense hatred of anyone telling him what he can and can't do.
He's a manufacturer of advanced weaponry and has his own private army who do his bidding across the globe.
He abuses the political system for his own ends, bribing, blackmailing and threatening people at various levels to advance his agenda.
He sees human lives as disposable, using people as pawns and callously destroying them if it suits him.
He hates Superman with a burning passion that threatens to consume him entirely.
Lois Lane is the reporter who investigates Lexcorp and discovers what he has been hiding.
He will kill even those closest to him in order to get what he wants.

He kidnaps Lois Lane, delivers a big monologue and tries to kill Superman using kryptonite and supertechnology.

That all sounds an awful lot like Lex Luthor to me.
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Well said.
 
Aurakles said:
He was a businessman, a criminal mastermind and a mad scientist.
Publicly seen as a great philanthropist but secretly a mass murderer.
An egotistical monster, obsessed with power and possessing an intense hatred of anyone telling him what he can and can't do.
He's a manufacturer of advanced weaponry and has his own private army who do his bidding across the globe.
He abuses the political system for his own ends, bribing, blackmailing and threatening people at various levels to advance his agenda.
He sees human lives as disposable, using people as pawns and callously destroying them if it suits him.
He hates Superman with a burning passion that threatens to consume him entirely.
Lois Lane is the reporter who investigates Lexcorp and discovers what he has been hiding.
He will kill even those closest to him in order to get what he wants.

He kidnaps Lois Lane, delivers a big monologue and tries to kill Superman using kryptonite and supertechnology.

That all sounds an awful lot like Lex Luthor to me.
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Publicly he was seen as a weirdo. He was stuttering like an idiot during his speech. Nobody liked him and it was obvious he was the bad guy. The real Lex Luthor is charming and beloved by his peers and the public and very few would suspect he’s up to no good. This Luthor also hates Superman because...I guess because he perceives him as god and he didn’t interfere when his father was beating him as a child? His motive is muggy at best. The real Luthor hates Superman because he feels humans should be self sufficient and don’t require help from Superman.
 
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Ideally, Lex should be somewhere in-between Nerdy type tech company head and the stereotype manipulative thug-like businessman (Kingpin type company head)
 
-Arya- said:
Publicly he was seen as a weirdo. He was stuttering like an idiot during his speech. Nobody liked him and it was obvious he was the bad guy. The real Lex Luthor is charming and beloved by his peers and the public and very few would suspect he’s up to no good. This Luthor also hates Superman because...I guess because he perceives him as god and he didn’t interfere when his father was beating him as a child? His motive is muggy at best. The real Luthor hates Superman because he feels humans should be self sufficient and don’t require help from Superman.
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I don't think being poor at giving speeches undoes his success in business and charitable contributions. And it certainly isn't enough evidence to conclude that he is a villain.

There is no real Lex Luthor, no definitive version. Much like Superman, he has changed throughout the decades and there are a variety of different versions of him.

If we only accept a version of Luthor if he is a suave businessman who rails against aliens, then we would need to discard all of his golden age and silver age stories.
There are a huge amount of stories where Luthor is an outlaw simply seeking wealth and power, Gene Hackmans portrayal for example.
Just because you have a preferred version of a character doesn't mean alternate versions are invalid.

I usually see the anti-alien rhetoric as just an excuse. It's propaganda he uses to justify attacking Superman, but in reality it's all about ego.
Before Superman came along Luthor was the top dog, the most powerful, most respected figure in Metropolis. Supermans arrival knocks Luthor off the throne, suddenly he's an also ran, playing second fiddle and it enrages him. He'll do anything to regain his prestige, use any tool to drag Superman down.

I think there are very few versions of Luthor who would have been "good" had Kal-El never arrived on Earth. He'd still have tried to assassinate X, steal Y, conquer Z, but there simply wouldn't have been anyone to stop him.

Luthor wants to rule the world, and Superman is the only reason he can't.

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Aurakles said:
I don't think being poor at giving speeches undoes his success in business and charitable contributions. And it certainly isn't enough evidence to conclude that he is a villain.

There is no real Lex Luthor, no definitive version. Much like Superman, he has changed throughout the decades and there are a variety of different versions of him.

If we only accept a version of Luthor if he is a suave businessman who rails against aliens, then we would need to discard all of his golden age and silver age stories.
There are a huge amount of stories where Luthor is an outlaw simply seeking wealth and power, Gene Hackmans portrayal for example.
Just because you have a preferred version of a character doesn't mean alternate versions are invalid.

I usually see the anti-alien rhetoric as just an excuse. It's propaganda he uses to justify attacking Superman, but in reality it's all about ego.
Before Superman came along Luthor was the top dog, the most powerful, most respected figure in Metropolis. Supermans arrival knocks Luthor off the throne, suddenly he's an also ran, playing second fiddle and it enrages him. He'll do anything to regain his prestige, use any tool to drag Superman down.

I think there are very few versions of Luthor who would have been "good" had Kal-El never arrived on Earth. He'd still have tried to assassinate X, steal Y, conquer Z, but there simply wouldn't have been anyone to stop him.

Luthor wants to rule the world, and Superman is the only reason he can't.

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I’m also fine with a Luthor who wants to be top dog and maintain power. I loved Hackmans Luthor. The premise of BvS Luthor was fine on paper. The execution was awful. I’m pretty sure we aren’t going to come to an agreement on this so I’m fine with moving on.
 
Thank goodness! I couldn’t believe it when he was announced, I thought it was a joke. He is a good actor but he was the wrong choice for that character.
 
TheSmoothKnight said:
Thank goodness! I couldn’t believe it when he was announced, I thought it was a joke. He is a good actor but he was the wrong choice for that character.
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My main issue with his performance was he lacked any sense of menace.
 
Yeah. It was like when Topher Grace played Eddie Brock, only worse.
 
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