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Lex has appeared so many times and yet his full potential still hasn't been displayed on the big screen.
We're probably getting our third great live-action big screen Joker performance in October, while Lex still hasn't gotten anywhere close despite being DC's best non-clown bad guy.
 
We're probably getting our third great live-action big screen Joker performance in October, while Lex still hasn't gotten anywhere close despite being DC's best non-clown bad guy.

I'm in full agreement there. I just recently rewatched the JL/JLU series and it's astounding how much better that version of Lex is than any of the live-action incarnations.
 
I'm in full agreement there. I just recently rewatched the JL/JLU series and it's astounding how much better that version of Lex is than any of the live-action incarnations.
The Lex from Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League and Justice League Unlimited was fantastic. But those shows as a whole seemed to get it all right.
 
i don't get why they still can't nail Lex in live action. it's not that hard.

It is strange. Even Superman ‘78 hired an actor who couldn’t be bothered to shave his damned head (despite always having bad hair in real life anyway). And while I enjoyed Hackman’s Luthor, I always felt they made him a little too jokey, even in the first film.

And since then you had Singer’s version (just copy Hackman but scowl the whole time!) and Snyder’s (just try to be Heath Ledger’s Joker but, like, the Asylum rip-off version!). Is “ruthless, corrupt businessman and scientist” THAT hard to pull off?
 
i don't get why they still can't nail Lex in live action. it's not that hard.
Lex only works when you have a sharp writer on board, and the last few films he's been in... yeah. I said it before, but something like Fassbender in Steve Jobs would be perfect for Lex, just make him slightly more sinister. Not too much more, since I think making him a full-on moustache twirling baddie is boring, but just enough.
Who knows, maybe if Joaquer is a hit, WB will green-light a Lex solo.
 
At this point, pretty much the only way to reintroduce Superman is in a Supergirl or Lex solo
Churning out another Superman solo after the failure of Cavill’s Superman wouldn’t yield the results WB would want
 
I liked several things about Eisenberg's Lex. It fits having an actor known for playing it smug and who gets a kick out of diminishing people. When people say he's a bit Joker-ized I agree... but less bc of his performance, more bc of the "loose cannon" his character wound up being. A lot of it feels like it came from a "People liked TDK, right?" mentality. That Joker was an ideology man, someone hoping *only* to cause chaos and *only* to mess up the hero's worldview. There's definitely room for that in Lex, but making it *only* that yet again is simply less distinctive. I like the Lex who's a spiteful competitor with self-serving goals masqueraded as idealism. Eisenlex read more like a crazied kamikaze... self-destructive and self-sabotaging, with no intelligent endgame no speak of. Throwing away his empire and an ego-boosting good name because of illogical parallels drawn between his abusive dad and a super-alien. In a vacuum, it's not a terrible idea. But in the context of giving Superman a uniquely formidable villain, it is a good idea less well used.
 
I like the Lex who's a spiteful competitor with self-serving goals masqueraded as idealism. Eisenlex read more like a crazied kamikaze... self-destructive and self-sabotaging, with no intelligent endgame no speak of. Throwing away his empire and an ego-boosting good name because of illogical parallels drawn between his abusive dad and a super-alien. In a vacuum, it's not a terrible idea. But in the context of giving Superman a uniquely formidable villain, it is a good idea less well used.

Lex didn't see parallels between Superman and his abusive father. He saw parallels between the God who didn't save him from his abusive father and the so-called savior people were worshiping Superman as. The childhood abuse made Lex lose his faith and become a cynic; he was someone who chose to rely only on himself and to believe in what humans can accomplish. His aim with Superman was to make the world lose their faith in him, to convert them all into the atheist, so to speak, that he is and to have them, as a result, view him as the one looking out for their best interests.
 
I don't care much ab the distinction, tbh. It lacks resonance either way, imo, and it's all just a plot vehicle towards the Doomsday set piece.
 
The post I was responding to said he was "Not Lex Luthor at all"
My post wasn't designed to say that it was a good or bad portrayal of Lex Luthor, but to demonstrate that it bares many of his hallmarks.

Whether a version of a character is good or bad is separate from whether it is identifiably a version of the character.

"I didn't like that portrayal of Macbeth" is a very different criticism from "That was not Macbeth at all".

Every other post you’ve made is about how great a performance you think it is. And Eisenberg was not Lex Luther at all, because bullet points don’t make a character.
 
At this point, pretty much the only way to reintroduce Superman is in a Supergirl or Lex solo
Churning out another Superman solo after the failure of Cavill’s Superman wouldn’t yield the results WB would want
Neither of those options would draw me into a theater. A solo Superman movie would.
 
Lex didn't see parallels between Superman and his abusive father. He saw parallels between the God who didn't save him from his abusive father and the so-called savior people were worshiping Superman as. The childhood abuse made Lex lose his faith and become a cynic; he was someone who chose to rely only on himself and to believe in what humans can accomplish. His aim with Superman was to make the world lose their faith in him, to convert them all into the atheist, so to speak, that he is and to have them, as a result, view him as the one looking out for their best interests.

Like everything "deep" Snyder tries to do its just not well developed.

When did Lex ever try to present himself as a person looking out for the best interests of others? This would make sense if he was out running a political campaign, or acting philanthropic or literally doing anything in public.

And if that was his plan, why experiment on Zod's body?

Why release Doomsday?

It makes no sense because its by Zack Snyder.
 
I'm in full agreement there. I just recently rewatched the JL/JLU series and it's astounding how much better that version of Lex is than any of the live-action incarnations.
Because nobody in Hollywood seems to be interested in that version.
 
Like everything "deep" Snyder tries to do its just not well developed.

When did Lex ever try to present himself as a person looking out for the best interests of others? This would make sense if he was out running a political campaign, or acting philanthropic or literally doing anything in public.

And if that was his plan, why experiment on Zod's body?

Why release Doomsday?

It makes no sense because its by Zack Snyder.
To be fair Snyder wasn't the only person writing these films lol.
 
If the MCU can bring back JK Simmons as JJ Jameson, then D.C. can bring back Mark Strong as Sinestro.....just putting it out there.
Mark Strong is playing Doctor Sivana now and he will be in Shazam 2.
 
They might let him play both. Djimon Honsou played The Wizard and that freaky fish guy in AM. Granted, they were both relatively unimportant, one off characters, but there’s a precedent for it.
 
Lex is a very juicy lemon. The genius industrialist, the philantropic idealist, the long-term schemer, the armored superhero, the mega-popular president, the mad scientist, the full-fledged costumed supervillain / evil superteam leader. Not all of those are a must, but you could use him a different way every movie and always come up with a new angle, thus creating a jazzy multi-film character arc in the process. If they ever used him again, I'd hope for the very slowburn treatment. Start him out "good".

Supergirl is as good a place to introduce him as any other. Maybe start him out as an ally? So as to later have her break ties w him? Wouldn't expect many to be onboard w that one, but I care not.
 
Every other post you’ve made is about how great a performance you think it is. And Eisenberg was not Lex Luther at all, because bullet points don’t make a character.

I am a fan of Eisenbergs Luthor, but that particular post was not about quality, simply whether he was identifiably Lex Luthor.

Characters like these who've been around for decades have many variations. Some are vastly different from each other. You could pick up a comic from the 40s, 70's and 90's and see Lex Luthors who have almost nothing in common.

Characters like these aren't a fixed point you need to get exactly right, they're a rough area you should aim for. There's wiggle room.
 
I don't care much ab the distinction, tbh. It lacks resonance either way, imo, and it's all just a plot vehicle towards the Doomsday set piece.

Interesting. You didn't even mention Doomsday initially. Seems like moving goal posts, and it's a stretch to reduce and write off all of that character development as plot contrivance given that it's something one could say about pretty much anything in a narrative where there is a cause and effect chain (e.g. Thanos' illogical motivation to save the universe the tragic fate of overpopulation and scarcity by killing instead of creating more resources is just a vehicle to create a crisis and get rid of some Avengers for a nostalgic finale). Doomsday may be the end, but that doesn't undermine the motivations and means of his creator, Lex, whose psychology and motivations were the focus of your previous faulty analysis.

Lex creates Doomsday not only to reflect his desire to place himself as the apotheosis of man — a man who can create life like a god and kill gods — but to ensure that he has an ideal example to prove to the public that such beings with supernatural powers are ultimately destructive and dangerous. It's even foreshadowed in Lex's discussion of his father's painting of an angel and demon: his savior is one that comes from hell beneath ("Ancient Kryptonian deformity.
The blood of my blood. Born to destroy you. Your Doomsday. Now God is good as dead."). In his arrogance, he believes that as Doomsday's creator he can have dominion over him and can plead insanity once the dust settles. It isn't far off from other incarnations who, in their zeal to defeat Superman, have created powerful beings like Nuclear Man and Bizarro.

Perhaps more importantly, Doomsday's role in the story isn't just about Lex. It's about humanity. Had Luthor succeeded in having either Superman kill Batman or Batman kill Superman, he would have undermined the public's faith in Superman as powerful and good. Lex's cynicism meant he believed Superman would break in the face of his mother's endangerment ("god is tribal") or die at the hands of the monsters he created (Batman or Doomsday). If Batman killed Superman, that would mean Superman chose to let his mother die. If Doomsday killed Superman without getting killed itself, then Superman isn't the savior humanity can rely on. What Lex didn't anticipate was that Superman would be able to collaborate with other heroes (and get his kryptonite!) and be willing to sacrifice himself to kill Doomsday, thus showing his love for humanity and his own humanity in a way that boosts their faith in him and inspires other metahumans to follow his example. That this is a mistake Luthor makes is important to the story and to revealing a key aspect of his character.

Like everything "deep" Snyder tries to do its just not well developed.

Nah. You might want to check this out to see the extensive and cohesive development his character and this arc received in the film.

When did Lex ever try to present himself as a person looking out for the best interests of others? This would make sense if he was out running a political campaign, or acting philanthropic or literally doing anything in public.

You have got to be kidding. First of all, you seem to have misunderstood me. I didn't say that Lex ACTUALLY cared about others. I said he wanted to be perceived as caring about others. Second, almost everything Lex does in BvS relates to politics and philanthropy. His first two major sequences involve him trying to work within the socially acceptable confines of politics by pitching his deterrents to senators like June Finch. It's funny you mention philanthropy, because his next major scene is at his own fundraiser where he literally talks about philanthropy in public in a way that illuminates his motivations:

HOST: Philanthropist. Bibliophile. True friend of the library of Metropolis. Mr. Lex Luthor.
LEX: You're embarrassing me.
AUDIENCE: Speech. Speech.
LEX: Uh, blah blah blah. Open bar.... The word Philanthropist, comes from the Greek, meaning a lover of humanity. It was coined about, 2,500 years ago...Prometheus went with us, and he ruined Zeus' plan to destroy mankind and for that, he was given a thunderbolt. Chooo! Hm. That seems unfair. My father could not afford the books, so he had to root through the garbage for yesterday's newspaper...Books are knowledge, and knowledge is...And I am...No, what am I? The bitter sweet pain among man is having knowledge with no power. Because that is paradoxical.


So, Lex moves in circles with politicians and philanthropists to present himself in the public eye as someone looking out for humanity's best interests, protecting them from possible threats and empowering them with the knowledge or, better put, the truth that "power can[not] be innocent."

It might be worth everyone's time to read this blog post reviewing the varied history of the Lex Luthor character, which elaborates on his motivations. In light of that history and the story of BvS itself, I feel it's fair to say that Eisenberg's Lex fits right in with the other Luthors — Luthors who have said things like the following:

I believe there’s something inherently dangerous when something real becomes mythic. Because when faced with a myth we can’t win. So the mythic must be exposed for what it is. So we can believe in ourselves. Because it’s only what’s in us…the drive to be mythic…that matters.

Those red eyes, I'm sure they look right through me, like I am nothing more than a nuisance. But when I see you? I see something no man can ever be. I see the end. The end of our potential. The end of our achievements. The end of our dreams. You are my nightmare.


And if that was his plan, why experiment on Zod's body?

Why release Doomsday?

See my post above to Nemeres.

It makes no sense because its by Zack Snyder.

See, that's a bias you need to watch out for.
 
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On the matter of Lex Luther, I continue to boggle at why WB seems to miss the obvious: evil Tony Stark.
 
On the matter of Lex Luther, I continue to boggle at why WB seems to miss the obvious: evil Tony Stark.
I agree since Lex Luthor on modern times has always been a evil or at least amoral version of Tony Starks in the comics and I think John Shea's LL is the closest we had to that incarnation on live action. I would love to see that interpretation of Lex on the big screen, not sure if Einsberg could nail that aspect of the character but they should recast the role.
 

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