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[Comicbookguy339]

I find this ironic...determining what isn't "proof enough", while arguing that two guys with little, as far as I can tell, experience in the live action film arena, should be given a shot at being the DC equivalent of a man who has spent most of his career working on live action films.

I was never really vehemently arguing that it should have been Timm and Dini. I was just questioning you dismissing the idea outright because Timm has done two movies you deem subpar and calling it "one of the laziest fan ideas out there". But hey, you obviously hate the very notion of it so let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think we’re heading towards a Justice League Rebirth film probably with the original Snyder cast. I think Hamada’s Crisis film that he was building towards is out.

I think this might be the case as well. I do wonder how the Elseworlds stuff with Joker and The Batman fit in though.

 

[emc5466]

I think this might be the case as well. I do wonder how the Elseworlds stuff with Joker and The Batman fit in though.

I think they’ll make Joker 2 and that’ll be the end of it unless it makes major money again.

 

[Frodo]

My guess is ,that at this point ,they're basically going to let Reeves finish out his trilogy and will probably let Phillips do a trilogy, in addition to WW and Aquaman filling out a trilogy.

That will play out through the end of the decade .
I actually don't think another JL film with the Snyderverse cast is in the cards.

I think their focus , in the next several years, will be solo films, with other characters perhaps popping up in them ala Batfleck in Aquaman 2.

 

[emc5466]

Frosty from Collider says Zaslav wants a shared universe just like Marvel.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

We didn't need Frosty to tell us that.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Frosty from Collider says Zaslav wants a shared universe just like Marvel.

Warners have wanted that since Man of Steel. Maybe even since Green Lantern.

 

[blackdragon6]

Frosty from Collider says Zaslav wants a shared universe just like Marvel.

Mentions and cameos can work the same way too. They don't necessarily have to be entwined all the time.

 

[king666]

Frosty from Collider says Zaslav wants a shared universe just like Marvel.

I kind of get it? Why is DC not as big as Marvel? In terms of IP quality they're pretty much equivalent. It's way easier to build momentum when your brand has a cohesive strategy.

Mentions and cameos can work the same way too. They don't necessarily have to be entwined all the time.

Agreed.

 

[BobJM]

Warners have wanted that since Man of Steel. Maybe even since Green Lantern.

Green Lantern— I remember Amanda Waller being discussed as the DC’s Nick Fury character. Nolan didn’t want to play ball with his films, so
WB tried again with Man of Steel.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Green Lantern— I remember Amanda Waller being discussed as the DC’s Nick Fury character. Nolan didn’t want to play ball with his films, so
WB tried again with Man of Steel.

I believe they weren't actually thinking "cinematic universe" when they were making Man of Steel. The original idea was to make a Superman trilogy similar to Nolan's TDK trilogy but then Avengers made all the money in 2012 and that's when the planned MoS 2 got turned into BvS.

 

[BobJM]

Good call; it was sequel planning for Man of Steel that kicked it all off.

What could have been…

Man of Steel (2013)
Man of Steel: World’s Finest (2015)
Justice League: Part I (2017)
Justice League: Part II (2018)
Man of Steel: Kingdom Come (2022)

 

[emc5466]

El Mayimbe did a Twitter spaces today and he was asked whether or not Henry Cavill is coming back and he said he couldn’t answer because it would be a spoiler…

 

[DlAMONDZ]

I believe they weren't actually thinking "cinematic universe" when they were making Man of Steel. The original idea was to make a Superman trilogy similar to Nolan's TDK trilogy but then Avengers made all the money in 2012 and that's when the planned MoS 2 got turned into BvS.

Correct. People that followed MoS closely know this

Here's Collider noticing the changes before and after Avengers came out:

Zack Snyder Comments on How MAN OF STEEL Might Relate to JUSTICE LEAGUE

Zack Snyder comments have changed yet again on how his new Superman film, Man of Steel, would relate to Warner Bros.' planned Justice League movie. In March, he said Justice League's Superman and Batman would be different than the ones from Man of Steel and The Dark Knight Trilogy. Then at Comic-Con, Snyder played coy and said they were just trying to get Superman’s house in order, and then see where it went from there

Anybody that says MOS was always supposed to be launching pad for a shared universe doesn't know what they're talking about

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

Damn they really should just do do a few more rewrites of the JUSTICE LEAGUE: MORTAL script to make it align with the current films. The story revolves around the death of Barry Allen, it opens with his funeral and ends with Wally West as the new Flash. This story element would be useful if they want to ease Barry Allen out of the universe and usher Wally West in. I think an eventual Justice League sequel/reboot should definitely take influence from both the Tower of Babel comic and the animated Justice League: Doom that was inspired by the comic. If they revive the JL:M project, it doesn’t need to be George Miller directing but I would prefer if he did.

JUSTICE LEAGUE MORTAL

Directed by George Miller



Superman - Henry Cavill
Batman - Ben Affleck
Wonder Woman - Gal Gadot



The Flash (Barry Allen) - Ezra Miller
The Flash (Wally West) - Shameik Moore



Green Lantern (John Stewart) - Trevante Rhodes
Aquaman - Jason Momoa
Martian Manhunter - Harry Lennix



Lois Lane - Amy Adams
Alfred Pennyworth - Jeremy Irons
Iris West - Kiersey Clemons



Maxwell Lord - Pedro Pascal
Amanda Waller - Viola Davis
Talia Al Ghul - Sofia Boutella ​

 

[FunkMiller]

I believe they weren't actually thinking "cinematic universe" when they were making Man of Steel. The original idea was to make a Superman trilogy similar to Nolan's TDK trilogy but then Avengers made all the money in 2012 and that's when the planned MoS 2 got turned into BvS.

This remains the single most stupid decision in movie making history, driven by nothing than pure, unadulterated greed, that destroyed DC on film before it ever really got going.

 

[metaphysician]

This remains the single most stupid decision in movie making history, driven by nothing than pure, unadulterated greed, that destroyed DC on film before it ever really got going.

I mean, *in theory*, the idea of going "Hey, the Avengers just drank everyone's milkshake, lets try to do something like that" isn't bad. Man of Steel was tepid at best, they needed a course correction anyway, and what better course correction than one already proven to make a billion bucks? The problem, of course, was everything related to how said decision was executed, starting with them *not* firing Snyder, and *not* changing the tone of the series. They basically refused to actually take any lessons from Marvel's success despite greedily attempting to mimic Marvel.

 

[FunkMiller]

I mean, *in theory*, the idea of going "Hey, the Avengers just drank everyone's milkshake, lets try to do something like that" isn't bad. Man of Steel was tepid at best, they needed a course correction anyway, and what better course correction than one already proven to make a billion bucks? The problem, of course, was everything related to how said decision was executed, starting with them *not* firing Snyder, and *not* changing the tone of the series. They basically refused to actually take any lessons from Marvel's success despite greedily attempting to mimic Marvel.

DC had their own very successful template with The Dark Knight movies. Rises made over a billion in the same year that Avengers came out. Begins led to TDK. MoS could have led to a huge sequel, if they’d either had more oversight of Snyder, or hired someone else.

I firmly believe if they’d ploughed their own furrow, and only started crossovers after successful solo trilogies with the key JL members, we’d now have DC doing better than Marvel.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

DC had their own very successful template with The Dark Knight movies. Rises made over a billion in the same year that Avengers came out. Begins led to TDK. MoS could have led to a huge sequel, if they’d either had more oversight of Snyder, or hired someone else.

I firmly believe if they’d ploughed their own furrow, and only started crossovers after successful solo trilogies with the key JL members, we’d now have DC doing better than Marvel.

Begins was a much better movie than MoS though (I say this as someone who likes MoS) and did really well on DVD due to word-of-mouth. That really helped TDK. So even if they had put someone else in the director chair for MoS 2 it wouldn't have done TDK numbers because MoS was controversial to say the least.

Also, if they had put out whole trilogies for Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman before a team-up movie then it's unlikely the actors would have stayed around for much longer after that.

 

[blackdragon6]

I mean, *in theory*, the idea of going "Hey, the Avengers just drank everyone's milkshake, lets try to do something like that" isn't bad. Man of Steel was tepid at best, they needed a course correction anyway, and what better course correction than one already proven to make a billion bucks? The problem, of course, was everything related to how said decision was executed, starting with them *not* firing Snyder, and *not* changing the tone of the series. They basically refused to actually take any lessons from Marvel's success despite greedily attempting to mimic Marvel.

The tone was fine, they didn't need to be Marvel 2.0.

 

[Mani-Man]

DC had their own very successful template with The Dark Knight movies. Rises made over a billion in the same year that Avengers came out. Begins led to TDK. MoS could have led to a huge sequel, if they’d either had more oversight of Snyder, or hired someone else.

I firmly believe if they’d ploughed their own furrow, and only started crossovers after successful solo trilogies with the key JL members, we’d now have DC doing better than Marvel.

That for sure.
Say what you will about MOS, but it could have lead to great things if you would have tackled the issues people had in a sequel.

They wanted a Nolan like Superman and got that, of course hiring someone who actually has nolan like strengths would have helped...but thats not the point.

MOS only needed some adjustments, have someone that tells Snyder no or hire someone else...but it wasnt like MOS was a immense failure that needed WB to act as they did.

They got greedy as **** and lazy, wanted to copy Avengers fast and cash in on its hype.
I think we can all agree that rushing a JL movie was idiotic on WBs part.
If they would have given it time, they probably would have seen their mistakes with MOS instead of giving Snyder the keys and telling him to build a shared universe on a tight schedule.

 

[FunkMiller]

MOS only needed some adjustments, have someone that tells Snyder no or hire someone else...but it wasnt like MOS was a immense failure that needed WB to act as they did.

If the Nolans had stuck around to oversee Man Of Steel, and not allowed Snyder free reign, then everything would be very different. He’s a horrible storyteller when left to his own devices, but with someone better at it overseeing him, MoS could have been an absolute classic.

 

[emc5466]

If the Nolans had stuck around to oversee Man Of Steel, and not allowed Snyder free reign, then everything would be very different. He’s a horrible storyteller when left to his own devices, but with someone better at it overseeing him, MoS could have been an absolute classic.

Christopher Nolan should’ve directed MoS.

 

[emc5466]

Dan Lin and former Fox and Paramount president Emma Watts are in the mix to head DC Films according to Variety.

From 'Batgirl' Fallout to Superman Reboot, What Awaits Next DC Chief - Variety

 

[Nemeres]

I think following up MOS with BVS was pretty ok planning. They had a clever way to integrate Batman thematically and that was nice. The real bummer was the movie being so horrible that they never got to prove with 100% credibility that their model was a solid alternative.