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[TheVileOne]

I dont get it, i mean...have people forgotten Doctor Strange 2 and the ****storm it got because it wasnt cameo heaven as those scoopers for months promised it would be?

Now you have Gunn who shuts these scoopers down and He is in the wrong?

Like Look at how for an hour or so the fandom got all kinds of crazy over reeves batman being in the dcu?
Is that really better than having someone in Charge shut down rumors because they Manifest itself and paint a wrong picture?

When did I ever say he's in the wrong? I'm just saying that the amount to which he engages on Twitter is a mistake and a waste of time. And I stand by that.

Yeah debunking rumors and all that is fine, but you know entertainment industry people aren't always on the up and up either and frequently lie as well. Or they are merely offering their perspective of events, even if it's not always accurate.

 

[Frodo]

I'm glad, and thankful ,he didn't let it fester, and gain momentum .
He just slayed the dragon right then and there.

It at least prepares those fans who wanted the report to be true, to accept that it's not happening.

 

[chintai80]

james gunn to all these scoopers:

 

[Mani-Man]

When did I ever say he's in the wrong? I'm just saying that the amount to which he engages on Twitter is a mistake and a waste of time. And I stand by that.

Yeah debunking rumors and all that is fine, but you know entertainment industry people aren't always on the up and up either and frequently lie as well. Or they are merely offering their perspective of events, even if it's not always accurate.

I wasnt specificly talking about you, more the Twitter etc people who found snyder defending his movie in a childish Manner fine, but act like gunn isnt even allowed to defend himself when people literally lie about him as person.

I think it's fine when gunn goes after scooper who want to gain clicks by lying about what He has planned for the Fans.

 

[spiderdan83]

It's a very different theatrical world now compared to 2018 and 2019.

People need to be given a real reason to show up to the cinema. I'd be shocked if The Flash or Aquaman are break outs. Also don't forget that Aquaman 1 owes nearly a third of its original gross to a market it only has a 50/50 chance of opening in this time (if that).

I hope it's a success, but this franchise just feels like its going to go out on a whimper. Even three months ago I held a different view, but this exhausting fanbase has just killed any enthusiasm for the franchise on my part.

I hear you mate, I try and be positive but I feel it's just taking too long.

 

[TheVileOne]

I wasnt specificly talking about you, more the Twitter etc people who found snyder defending his movie in a childish Manner fine, but act like gunn isnt even allowed to defend himself when people literally lie about him as person.

I think it's fine when gunn goes after scooper who want to gain clicks by lying about what He has planned for the Fans.

I totally agree with the sentiment. I just think he's better off not worrying about what randos on Twitter. Frankly, the outright garbage I've seen written about Gunn on Twitter, especially when he was going through his Disney/Marvel firing after all those tweets was much worse.

Plus all the ********* Snyder fans when he was working on The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker.

 

[TheVileOne]

The first Aquaman movie still made $335 million domestically, which is still more than the first movie with both Batman and Superman in it.

 

[Invader Joker]

DC is now in a completely unwinnable situation when it comes to Batman.
If Reeves decided that his vision didn't work out with whatever then it's probably for the best that he wasn't forced to put his Batman on this universe, but now DC Studios is in a ridiculously complicated situation when it comes to the character.

Here are the options I see for them going forward:
1. Use the Jokerverse as the starting point for the new Batman. As much as Todd Phillips like to posture himself as this pretty well defined creative auteur or whatever it's pretty clear he's not and he's actually a bit of a hack even though I loved the Joker movie. And if Joker 2 does well, then it's inevitable we'll one day see a Batman of that universe (especially since Phillips said he wants to see what a Batman of that universe would look like: Todd Phillips Wants to See a 'Batman' Movie from His 'Joker' World - Variety ) so you might as well just use that Batman. I can see him and Gunn sharing similar sensibilities so I don't think it's that out of the realm of possibility.

2. Create an entirely new Batman for the DCU and give him a solo AFTER Reeves is done. The earliest that a JL film could come out is in 2028 anyway which is around the same time that the Reeves trilogy would be done so that's not much of a problem. But then you run into a bigger issue which is: Who in the actual hell will want to take on the job of directing Batman under those circumstances? Not only would that director have to immediately be following up a Batman centric connected universe that lasted for a decade, but they'd also have to reinvent the character enough it's distinctive from the Reeves version while at the same time making sure it connects to the wider DCU and whatever Gunn has already established. This new Batman will be completely unable to attract a talent on the caliber of Christopher Nolan or Matt Reeves so it'd immediately be a downgrade unless maybe Gunn himself directs it.

 

[Eddie Dean]

What about DCU Batman just shows up in DCU team up movies. That seems the more realistic option.

 

[Invader Joker]

What about DCU Batman just shows up in DCU team up movies. That seems the more realistic option.

I don't think that's happening because I don't see a world where WB won't want to have Batman solo movies especially if they're following the MCU model.

 

[TheVileOne]

I kind of feel like Batman of the Jokerverse would be even worse than the Joker and would be more like Crazzy Steve from All-Star Batman and Robin.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I don't think that's happening because I don't see a world where WB won't want to have Batman solo movies especially if they're following the MCU model.

dude - Pattinson Matt Reeves movies - those are the solo movies

 

[Invader Joker]

dude - Pattinson Matt Reeves movies - those are the solo movies

And they'd be done by the time they make a JL movie in like 2028 or so. I'm talking beyond that.

 

[TheScarecrow]

DC is now in a completely unwinnable situation when it comes to Batman.
If Reeves decided that his vision didn't work out with whatever then it's probably for the best that he wasn't forced to put his Batman on this universe, but now DC Studios is in a ridiculously complicated situation when it comes to the character.

Here are the options I see for them going forward:
1. Use the Jokerverse as the starting point for the new Batman. As much as Todd Phillips like to posture himself as this pretty well defined creative auteur or whatever it's pretty clear he's not and he's actually a bit of a hack even though I loved the Joker movie. And if Joker 2 does well, then it's inevitable we'll one day see a Batman of that universe (especially since Phillips said he wants to see what a Batman of that universe would look like: Todd Phillips Wants to See a 'Batman' Movie from His 'Joker' World - Variety ) so you might as well just use that Batman. I can see him and Gunn sharing similar sensibilities so I don't think it's that out of the realm of possibility.

2. Create an entirely new Batman for the DCU and give him a solo AFTER Reeves is done. The earliest that a JL film could come out is in 2028 anyway which is around the same time that the Reeves trilogy would be done so that's not much of a problem. But then you run into a bigger issue which is: Who in the actual hell will want to take on the job of directing Batman under those circumstances? Not only would that director have to immediately be following up a Batman centric connected universe that lasted for a decade, but they'd also have to reinvent the character enough it's distinctive from the Reeves version while at the same time making sure it connects to the wider DCU and whatever Gunn has already established. This new Batman will be completely unable to attract a talent on the caliber of Christopher Nolan or Matt Reeves so it'd immediately be a downgrade unless maybe Gunn himself directs it.

Or, third option, have two concurrent but different Batman's. Bring in the entire Batman family and explore more high-concept ideas like Man-Bat, Clayface, etc. Have Nightwing, Robin, Red Hood and Batgirl all be active and established. Show us something really different.

 

[Boom]

What about DCU Batman just shows up in DCU team up movies. That seems the more realistic option.

This is what I expect. It's not the cleanest analogy, but he'd be like Bruce Banner in the MCU. An important character and key member of the core team, but limited to appearances in team-up films. I'd argue that this could actually benefit the character, as you could build up his mystique and near legendary reputation.

And who knows? Some years down the road after Reeves and Pattinson are done, maybe do a solo movie for the DCU Batman then. Could even use that to lead into a more timely Batman Beyond film. But for now, the simplest way to differentiate from Reeves' Batman is to lean more heavily into the fantasy/sci-fi elements and embrace the Bat Family in earnest.

 

[Invader Joker]

This is what I expect. It's not the cleanest analogy, but he'd be like Bruce Banner in the MCU.

And who knows? Some years down the road after Reeves and Pattinson are done, maybe do a solo movie for the DCU then.

I think a better analogy would be Spider-Man. The MCU couldn't use their most popular character for years because it was in the hands of someone else (in their case another studio) so they had to wait to be able to reboot him before introducing him in a team up film and then giving him a solo film.

Something similar like that will happen with Batman I feel, except on a shorter timespan because Reeves will be done by the time the new DCU is just getting started.

 

[Boom]

I think a better analogy would be Spider-Man. The MCU couldn't use their most popular characters for years because it was in the hands of someone else (in their case another studio) so they had to wait to reboot him before introducing him in a team up film and then giving him a solo film.

Something similar like that will happen with Batman I feel, except on a shorter timespan because Reeves will be done by the time the new DCU is just getting started.

I'm not so sure they wait though. For better or worse, Gunn can't set out to build a comprehensive DC universe on film and sideline one of its three most important characters indefinitely. You just can't. But at the same time, it's apparent that they're going to let Reeves do his thing and avoid stepping on his toes.

At least in the short term, they're going to need to find a way to give Reeves his space while still incorporating Batman into the DCU. All while keeping audiences from Batman burnout. I think leaning more into the Bat Family is the best possible solution here. Because at least then you have characters like Nightwing, Batgirl and Robin to lean on too. It's not just wall-to-wall Batman.

 

[TheScarecrow]

I'm not so sure they wait though. For better or worse, Gunn can't set out to build a comprehensive DC universe on film and sideline one of its three most important characters indefinitely. You just can't. But at the same time, it's apparent that they're going to let Reeves do his thing and avoid stepping on his toes.

At least in the short term, they're going to need to find a way to give Reeves his space while still incorporating Batman into the DCU. All while keeping audiences from Batman burnout. I think leaning more into the Bat Family is the best possible solution here. Because at least then you have characters like Nightwing, Batgirl and Robin to lean on too. It's not just wall-to-wall Batman.

Agree with this. It's literally the only option. They can't just offer a competing Batman.

And I think it's one Gunn will find appealing.

 

[Invader Joker]

I'm not so sure they wait though. For better or worse, Gunn can't set out to build a comprehensive DC universe on film and sideline one of its three most important characters indefinitely. You just can't. But at the same time, it's apparent that they're going to let Reeves do his thing and avoid stepping on his toes.

At least in the short term, they're going to need to find a way to give Reeves his space while still incorporating Batman into the DCU. All while keeping audiences from Batman burnout. I think leaning more into the Bat Family is the best possible solution here. Because at least then you have characters like Nightwing, Batgirl and Robin to lean on too. It's not just wall-to-wall Batman.

I don't think it's /that/ indefinite because, let's look at it this way.
Reeves The Batman 2 is probably gonna come out in 2025. If he follows the same trend, the third film will come out by 2028.
The earliest DC Studios could conceivably put out a Superman or Wonder Woman reboot is in 2026 most likely. Then in 2027 they'd have probably some more solo films of other League members. So by 2028 or 2029 it'd be when they make their Justice League film, so Reeves will have ended his tenure by then. No one can say they spent those years sidelining Batman, because he was having an entire universe of his own, it's just that they had to be waiting to introduce their new DCU Batman until a Justice League film.

What concerns me though, is going beyond that.
They introduce a new Batman in 2028, and then what? They'll probably want to give him a solo with Reeves tenure ended. So the next Batman reboot would come out somewhere in 2030... but who's gonna want to direct that? Not the next Nolan or Matt Reeves, that's for sure. On top of the pressure of coming off a decade of a Batman shared universe helmed by Matt Reeves, there's gonna be the pressure of making it distinct while at the same time fitting with the new DCU and using whatever actor they've already hired.

Also I honestly don't think Gunn even cares about the Bat-Family. I've never seen him say anything about him liking them, he's always said just talked about Batman as one of his favorite characters.

 

[Boom]

I don't think it's /that/ indefinite because, let's look at it this way.
Reeves The Batman 2 is probably gonna come out in 2025. If he follows the same trend, the third film will come out by 2028.
The earliest DC Studios could conceivably put out a Superman or Wonder Woman reboot is in 2026 most likely. Then in 2027 they'd have probably some more solo films of other League members. So by 2028 or 2029 it'd be when they make their Justice League film, so Reeves will have ended his tenure by then. No one can say they spent those years sidelining Batman, because he was having an entire universe of his own, it's just that they had to be waiting to introduce their new DCU Batman until a Justice League film.

What concerns me though, is going beyond that.
They introduce a new Batman in 2028, and then what? They'll probably want to give him a solo with Reeves tenure ended. So the next Batman reboot would come out somewhere in 2030... but who's gonna want to direct that? Not the next Nolan or Matt Reeves, that's for sure.

Also I honestly don't think Gunn even cares about the Bat-Family. I've never seen him say anything about him liking them, he's always said just talked about Batman as one of his favorite characters.

They'll find a director. I have next to no worries about that.

Whether the director is a good choice is a separate conversation. But yeah it would be one of the hottest gigs in the industry.

As for Gunn, there are a lot of characters he hasn't talked about. Doesn't mean he doesn't like them. Besides, he has an entire catalogue of characters to curate now. Can't play favorites forever.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I don’t think not taking about something means you don’t like it

 

[Invader Joker]

They'll find a director. I have next to no worries about that.

Whether the director is a good choice is a separate conversation. But yeah it would be one of the hottest gigs in the industry.

Well yeah that's the part that worries me. I don't want a Russo Brothers or Jon Watts type to be the one that carries the legacy of Batman after Reeves. Also, the reason I don't like the Bat-Family idea is because I feel that limits the number of good directors that'd be interested on taking the franchise if they also have to take into account all the Bat-Family stuff.

 

[TheScarecrow]

What concerns me though, is going beyond that.
They introduce a new Batman in 2028, and then what? They'll probably want to give him a solo with Reeves tenure ended. So the next Batman reboot would come out somewhere in 2030... but who's gonna want to direct that? Not the next Nolan or Matt Reeves, that's for sure. On top of the pressure of coming off a decade of a Batman shared universe helmed by Matt Reeves, there's gonna be the pressure of making it distinct while at the same time fitting with the new DCU and using whatever actor they've already hired.

I mean I just wouldn't worry about that. Ben Affleck wanted to direct a Batman movie after Nolan, Matt Reeves wanted to direct a Batman movie after Nolan. Even with all the **** the DCU gets thrown at it, it has largely managed to attract quality directors. James Mangold wants to work in the current DCU.

We'll be fine on getting creative talent. Even better it may be people like David F. Sandberg that you'd never think of, who are actually really talented and get a well-deserved big break.

 

[Boom]

Well yeah that's the part that worries me. I don't want a Russo Brothers or Jon Watts type to be the one that carries the legacy of Batman after Reeves.

Worth considering Invader that we're talking about a movie that is theoretically 7+ years away. A lot of new and exciting filmmakers are going to pop up between now and then. That's why it's more about discussing basic concepts instead of getting too in the weeds with specifics that can't even be defined yet.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Batman is the crown jewell in the WB’s IP. They will never go second rate on him.