But why? That would require reshoots and a convoluted ending. It’s easier to cut your losses and start from scratch. The box office take for these movies are mediocre at best. Get the budgets down and make good movies.
I like the idea of a reboot, but they better hit it out of the park with the first movie, or I think this new universe will be DOA. I'm excited, but a little cautious.
Something that hasn’t been discussed as much are the box office returns. Apart from The Batman everything else since 2020 has been a flop or a disappointment. I don’t think Shazam 2, The Flash or Blue Beetle will do well. Aquaman 2…maybe.
Yup, if they leave the ending very open without committing to something really on how the new timeline then looks...it could easily serve the purpose well.
It brings us still in a bit of weird situation with Aquaman 2, but that is not as bad as if they end Flash with a new timeline that includes characters that then will play no role in the reboot.
Maybe a lesson in humility? DC movies were around for a long time before Dwayne Johnson joined up, and they'll be around for a long time after he's gone. He was never going to run the show, or even 'his' little corner of it.
I just have no excitement for DC anymore. I’m fine with Henry not coming back. But the back and forth about it has been annoying. That combined with Batgirl and likely losing other properties that I enjoyed like Shazam…I just don’t care.
First priority is a solo Superman film set within a larger DCU—maybe take queues from the Man of Tomorrow animated universe and include characters like Lobo and Martian Manhunter. There’s a larger universe out there but let’s not insert half-baked cameos needlessly…
Reboot Wonder Woman in present day or have a film set in WWII with (a proper) JSA with Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, Dinah Drake, and Ted Grant facing against Vandal Savage—who could be set up as ultimate big bad of the DCU.
Then, focus on smaller character-driven films set in the modern DCU:
- Blue Beetle
- Static Shock
- Lobo
- Zatanna (with JL: Dark characters)
- Plastic Man
- The Brave and the Bold (GL & Flash reboot)
I don’t look forward to Gunn’s take on Superman. I think he’d be much better suited for a buddy team-up with Flash and GL taking on Grodd in Gorilla City. Or Plastic Man. Or Lobo.
Down the road, Justice League: Crisis with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Zatanna, Plastic Man, and Martian Manhunter against an immortal Vandal Savage, now in possession of Doctor Fate’s helmet and all it’s infinite multiversal power, in an adventure spanning space and time—potentially featuring non-divisive cameos from the DCU multiverse including, but not limited to, past Batmen and Lynda Carter as Golden Age Wonder Woman. Perhaps he even enlists the Crime Syndicate from Earth 2…
Wait....so what's happening with Peacemaker? With Cavil out, it seems like they're doing a full reboot, but if they keep Peacemaker, it kinda sounds disjointed.
If they reboot, I want a full reboot. I don't want this little "pick and choose" mentality. That's the mess we're in right now.
I could maybe understand cancelling WW3, *if* Patty Jenkins were insistent on a third movie that was utterly incompatible with the new direction, *and* Gal Gadot were unwilling to return except under Jenkins. But even that doesn't work with Aquaman, not with the huge money the first movie made and that the second isn't even out yet. James Wan already made an Aquaman movie that was fully compatible with a shared universe vision, I can't imagine he'd have any harder a time adapting to receiving producer notes from Gunn instead of Snyder.
Maybe a lesson in humility? DC movies were around for a long time before Dwayne Johnson joined up, and they'll be around for a long time after he's gone. He was never going to run the show, or even 'his' little corner of it.
I have a darker take. He should have been more careful with developing this film considering the state of the DC universe. But even then if BA had been a billion dollar movie then what?
Wait....so what's happening with Peacemaker? With Cavil out, it seems like they're doing a full reboot, but if they keep Peacemaker, it kinda sounds disjointed.
If they reboot, I want a full reboot. I don't want this little "pick and choose" mentality. That's the mess we're in right now.
I get Cavill being out and WW3 being canceled, but I don't think they should selectively decide what stays and goes because if we're now pretending Black Adam didn't happen or just ignoring the post-credit scene, then that's still connected to the greater DCEU. However, if they treat it like The Suicide Squad where you're seemingly ignoring the movie that came before it, I'm okay with them keeping Aquaman, but just treat The Flash movie as the hard reboot movie that wipes the slate clean. Peacemaker can still exist if it's set pre-The Flash, but again, that would cause a ton of confusion.
Ugh I don’t like this pick and choose. Either do a hard reboot for all or do none of it. If Gunn is going to be selective then it’s going to crash and burn.
Ugh I don’t like this pick and choose. Either do a hard reboot for all or do none of it. If Gunn is going to be selective then it’s going to crash and burn.
I get Cavill being out and WW3 being canceled, but I don't think they should selectively decide what stays and goes because if we're now pretending Black Adam didn't happen or just ignoring the post-credit scene, then that's still connected to the greater DCEU. However, if they treat it like The Suicide Squad where you're seemingly ignoring the movie that came before it, I'm okay with them keeping Aquaman, but just treat The Flash movie as the hard reboot movie that wipes the slate clean. Peacemaker can still exist if it's set pre-The Flash, but again, that would cause a ton of confusion.
Not a direct reply, but I'll use your post to refer to this whole idea.
The way I see it, the last thing these movies need is the convoluted comic book method of rebooting things, to shape a new convoluted universe through convoluted in-universe event. To digress a bit, I still think that's why there's this paradox that so many people love all these characters but ultimately never read superhero comics. Not that they're not used to divert themselves by reading, but it's all too hermetic for general audience.
Anyway, my point is that trying to build something new using as a base a ten years old universe, six of which were in palliative care, is neither more nor less than therapeutic relentlessness. .. you might as well pull the plug. Which is apparently what they're doing... (that being said, I totally expect some of Gunn's collaborators like Cena to appear in other roles in these upcoming films)
I talked about this in another post, but one of the keys to Marvel's success in movies is how they've managed to accompany a whole generation of kids and young adults for over a decade. There's a relationship that's been built, they've all grown up together, and that also allows for a form of indulgence that translates into maintaining good box-office figures even in times of creative deficit.
The DCEU has completely missed the mark and, in my opinion, can no longer "sell" these iterations of the characters with these actors. There is no longer a freshness to appeal to the kind of wide audience the studio wants for these films. There's no more goodwill to use there anymore.
Everything needs to be rebuild.
I'm questioning whether this was really the right choice for the DC cinematic universe going forwards or if this is just another example of a new boss coming in and tearing down everything old just because he wasn't the one to create it.
Heck, maybe they're getting rid of all the old cast just because Zaslav refuses to pay the established actors,
Maybe a lesson in humility? DC movies were around for a long time before Dwayne Johnson joined up, and they'll be around for a long time after he's gone. He was never going to run the show, or even 'his' little corner of it.
I can't help feeling like Dwayne played his hand too soon. Or he went ahead of the studios actual plans. I would not be surprised if Black Adam is gonzo as a result from future movies.
I think it's the right decision for Superman to be hard rebooted , but I'm not convinced it's the right decision for Wonder Woman and Aquaman to be hard rebooted.
I haven't really seen a convincing argument for rebooting them other than " they're all part of the same universe , so they have to go".
In Aquaman 2 's case, I don't see how easy that's gonna be if Aquaman 2 is well received, or makes as much as the first one.
Do you stilll just cancel a sequel and say " No Aquaman 3, He's Lobo now, even though Aquaman 2 just made a billion".
I'm skeptical they'll walk away from that huge a hit, to gamble on Lobo.
But that's all assuming Aquaman 2 is a big hit which isn't certain.
Needless to say, while it may be ultimately necessary to reboot all of the characters, I don't think it's going to be as easy as alot of the fans think it is.
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