DC Films The DC Studios News and Discussion Thread

[kguillou]

So was that Deadline story about the film being profitable utter nonsense?

Lmao of course it was. I dont think anyone was buying that wonky accounting.

 

[TheVileOne]

Lmao of course it was. I dont think anyone was buying that wonky accounting.

That was definitely a weird "Hollywood Accounting" type story. The Rock was also very overly defensive about the film's profits on social media. It's like he's playing politics with the DC brass.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Lmao of course it was. I dont think anyone was buying that wonky accounting.

Someone on Reddit said 'Now we know 'what the Rock's been cooking' - the books!'

 

[TheVileOne]

Truthfully, I can't blame Gunn for wanting to wipe the slate clean. I just wonder if it's too late to do that plus they still have like four more films coming out next year that are still technically DCEU films.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Truthfully, I can't blame Gunn for wanting to wipe the slate clean. I just wonder if it's too late to do that plus they still have like four more films coming out next year that are still technically DCEU films.

If Superman can ultimately survive Superman 4, and Batman can survive Batman & Robin, the DC Universe can survive the DCEU SnyderVerse. They will be making movies out of these characters long after we are dead and gone.

 

[Lily Adler]

So Hamada's plan was to reboot with The Flash and I guess keep everyone who had successful films and get rid of the ones who weren't well received or flopped? So Batman and Superman would be gone and replaced with Michael Keaton, Batgirl, and Supergirl? Reeves would have his own separate universe with The Batman and its spinoffs. Abrams would have his own universe with a Black Superman. It was truly a mess.

 

[HydraSith12]

I think Reeves didnt expected that would be a DC Reboot if there is a New Batman Actor who will replace Affleck Batman Pattinson Batman it wont feel fresh and special anymore there is not New DC Universe without Batman or the Trinity i wonder what Reeves will Choose his Vision or be part of a whole DC Universe? i changed my opinion and i think is better to start fresh with a New Version of Batman who is not Pattinson or Affleck

 

[TheVileOne]

If Superman can ultimately survive Superman 4, and Batman can survive Batman & Robin, the DC Universe can survive the DCEU SnyderVerse. They will be making movies out of these characters long after we are dead and gone.

Did Superman survive Superman 4 though? Did HE?!

 

[TheVileOne]

So Hamada's plan was to reboot with The Flash and I guess keep everyone who had successful films and get rid of the ones who weren't well received or flopped? So Batman and Superman would be gone and replaced with Michael Keaton, Batgirl, and Supergirl? Reeves would have his own separate universe with The Batman and its spinoffs. Abrams would have his own universe with a Black Superman. It was truly a mess.

I wonder if I should be happy for Hamada or sad that he doesn't have to deal with this anymore. He probably got out while the getting is good.

 

[vantheman77]

Black Adam will always be a villain to Shazam.

I also hear James Gunn will be working with DC Comics and Jim Lee about coordinating series and reprints that will be out to the public.

 

[BobJM]

Sounds like a perfect digital comic. But I worry about stretching too thin; not to mention limiting potential for future sequels by including certain characters / storylines

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I also hear James Gunn will be working with DC Comics and Jim Lee about coordinating series and reprints that will be out to the public.

Ooh, now that's interesting. I might be able to cross a few things off my list

 

[TheVileOne]

All the craziness of this DC Studios saga sounds like it would make a good Succession style drama.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

This sounds promising.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I wonder believe it until I see the products.

 

[Mani-Man]

Where did this god damn money went to?
Like sure the CGI is better than in Thor, but still...where has this money gone into for the love of all that is holy?

Truthfully, I can't blame Gunn for wanting to wipe the slate clean. I just wonder if it's too late to do that plus they still have like four more films coming out next year that are still technically DCEU films.

No IP is ever so broken that you cant fix it.
It only takes more work to fix it now than it would have 5 years ago.

A big question is how the DC movies 2023 will be affected mainly box office by this all.
But also storywise...thats a good question.
Sadly already too many people act like these movies are pointless on their own because 2024 the reboot begins...which is a god damn shame because these movies are worth to be watched on their own.

I also hear James Gunn will be working with DC Comics and Jim Lee about coordinating series and reprints that will be out to the public.

I like hearing that.
One of the biggest mistakes DC and Marvel did, was not promoting the comics better with the movies.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

15 years in development hell only to be released and not make huge profit. Hmmm maybe Warner should have not released it to begin with.

With a budget of 260M BA made zero profit. They most likely ended up losing more than 100M.

 

[Closerframe]

Johnson was right, the hierarchy of the DCEU is about to change!

 

[king666]

Truthfully, I can't blame Gunn for wanting to wipe the slate clean. I just wonder if it's too late to do that plus they still have like four more films coming out next year that are still technically DCEU films.

To be fair, all other options suck. They'd have to reboot in 5 years or so. Why not do it now? If I'm James Gunn and Zaslav tells me "I'll give you creative control over DC, feel free to start over", I'd reboot the living **** out of it.

The only thing I'd be worried about is superhero fatigue, but I feel like the DC universe has much more to offer than just vanilla superhero content.

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This video sums it up imo haha

 

[FunkMiller]

The only thing I'd be worried about is superhero fatigue, but I feel like the DC universe has much more to offer than just vanilla superhero content.

Not an issue. Batman just rebooted again, and was massively profitable.

Make good movies, the audience is there.

 

[Mani-Man]

To be fair, all other options suck. They'd have to reboot in 5 years or so. Why not do it now? If I'm James Gunn and Zaslav tells me "I'll give you creative control over DC, feel free to start over", I'd reboot the living **** out of it.

The only thing I'd be worried about is superhero fatigue, but I feel like the DC universe has much more to offer than just vanilla superhero content.

Yeah, i mean what was the alternative?
Like, when you look around pre Gunn what people had in mind, it was mainly to keep doing unique B-C List character movies till a reboot for the Justice League for the most.
Many just had this idea of doing a reboot after WW3,AM3...i have not seen really good plans from people how to fix the mess the DCEU was in, outside of rebooting the whole thing.

Even when it came to Cavill it was mostly "Give the guy one chance to play a good Superman".
Like there were not many long term plans people have come up that sounded too good.

Sure you could have used Elseworld maybe as kind of an excuse to give the DCEU a rounder ending, but then...why drag something out? Make a hard cut and Reboot the ****.

Fatigue is always a possibility, but i think if you are unique enough, you can avoid that.
But it just has to be said that Marvel is on a different level when it comes to that because of the absolute madness amount of content and how it slaps it constantly around peoples faces.
Marvel milks the hell out of its MCU, it was bound to break even its fans.
Thankfully they seem to have understood it, the rumor is that they want to slow down a bit on the amount of content.

And dont forget, Batman just got a reboot as a 3 hour movie and was a success.

This video sums it up imo haha

Yup, that video is probably the best proof why the reboot is needed.
Im sure there are some long blog posts, detailed timeline data etc out there that makes it even clearer how much of a mess the DCEU timeline was, but this video is short and sweet...should be pinned everywhere a DCU debate can happen.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Not an issue. Batman just rebooted again, and was massively profitable.

Make good movies, the audience is there.

Wouldn't call the movie massively profitable. It made a small profit, sure (around 60M) but this is Batman we're talking about. The fact that it didn't even clear 800M is a bit worrying imo.

 

[kguillou]

But you know, I keep saying this guys and my big question is: rebooting everything is a start yes, but how will starting from scratch fundamentally change how DC films are made and marketed? Because ultimately i think thats the issue DC has run into that led them to this point. People can say its all Zack Snyder's fault we're here and yes, he indeed set the foundation for this universe, but Zack Snyder hasn't had a say in how these DCEU movies have been made since 2017. Aquaman, Shazam, Wonder Woman 84, Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, Black Adam are all movies that were produced independently of Snyder's influence and were arguably veering in a new direction and yet those all led us to this point. So I think problem DC has is much deeper than Snyder. If a rebooted DC universe is going to be successful , something else needs to change in terms of how DC movies are produced otherwise, reboot or not, general audiences are still not going to turn out for them.

 

[FunkMiller]

Wouldn't call the movie massively profitable. It made a small profit, sure (around 60M) but this is Batman we're talking about. The fact that it didn't even clear 800M is a bit worrying imo.

The total budget was 185 million, including advertising. The total box office take was four times that. WB made about 380-400 million.

They will have been well happy with that ROI, for a three hour movie at the tail end of a pandemic. If every DC movie from now on does that kind of business, it will be a massive success.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

But you know, I keep saying this guys and my big question is: rebooting everything is a start yes, but how will starting from scratch fundamentally change how DC films are made and marketed? Because ultimately i think thats the issue DC has run into that led them to this point. People can say its all Zack Snyder's fault we're here and yes, he indeed set the foundation for this universe, but Zack Snyder hasn't had a say in how these DCEU movies have been made since 2017. Aquaman, Shazam, Wonder Woman 84, Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, Black Adam are all movies that were produced independently of Snyder's influence and were arguably veering in a new direction and yet those all led us to this point. So I think problem DC has is much deeper than Snyder. If a rebooted DC universe is going to be successful , something else needs to change in terms of how DC movies are produced otherwise, reboot or not, general audiences are still not going to turn out for them.

Well, the hope here is that the change you're talking about is Gunn's leadership and creative input..