DC Films The DC Studios News and Discussion Thread

[Comicbookguy339]

The total budget was 185 million, including advertising. The total box office take was four times that. WB made about 380-400 million.

They will have been well happy with that ROI. If every DC movie from now on does that kind of business, it will be a massive success.

The production budget was 200M without marketing which is normally in the 100-150M range. And movie theaters keep half of the box office gross.

 

[antsman41]

Make good movies, the audience is there.

That's the issue...

Only The Batman was great this year, thanks to Reeves and everyone (or not, cough WB cough) involved. Even with the Covid of it all and when the Volume was getting a lot of flack in Obi-Wan, we had Greig and Matt not letting those things hinder their production or output.

Raimi tried to with varying degrees and opinions... with DS2; yet was messy and ultimately Marvel tweaked too much with it.

Black Panther 2 was fine, from what I've heard. Yet still hindered by Marvel and outside forces like Chadwick's death. (didn't make it yet - rather go to Fabelmans/Banshees/Armageddon Time)

Thor 4 was easily a miss-step/failure for fans and the general opinion, more issues with Marvel production values, etc..

Black Adam, lol.

Morbius, lol... lol.

 

[LifesEnd]

All the craziness of this DC Studios saga sounds like it would make a good Succession style drama.

funnily enough the creator of Veep, Thick of it etc is working on a hbo show called the Franchise about the makings of a superhero film franchise. I wonder if they would be allowed to mock the Warner DC mess-ups

 

[metaphysician]

If there is a Full Reboot Gunn Characters should be Rebooted too i want the New DC being fresh with New Actors why let go Cavill if you keep Margot Robbie and John Cena?

1. Because Cavil is damaged goods with a poor public reputation as the character, while Robbie and Cena aren't?

2. Because Cavil clashes with Gunn's creative sensibilities and plans, while Robbie and Cena don't?

People need to stop treating movie casting as if its some act of karma, where refusing to fire everyone is an act of evil.

 

[GreenKToo]

Man, if they would just make a feel good superman film, bright and hopeful, classic suit, a good Lex, and a villain like metallo or Brainic, without trying to reinvent the wheel, people would literally line up to see it.

 

[Bary]

Whatever they do just leave The batman with Pattinson somehow connected. The character has been rebooted enough by now and Reeves is the right director for that franchise. All characters besides Batman are fair game for a reboot in my eyes

 

[Bary]

Wouldn't call the movie massively profitable. It made a small profit, sure (around 60M) but this is Batman we're talking about. The fact that it didn't even clear 800M is a bit worrying imo.

the character has been rebooted 3 times since 2012 and possibly 5 if you include Keatons return and conroys appearance on CW for the crossover event. The Batman character has been oversaturated to the point WB ran the risk of trying pump milk from a deceased cow that won them a-lot of state fairs

 

[metaphysician]

What's funny is some of the same people acting mad about Cavill's exit were mad at him for the Black Adam cameo and how it was disrespectful to Zack Snyder because the suit wasn't black, he had the spit curl and used to Williams theme.

It all ultimately wraps back to Snyder. Almost nobody is angry about Cavil leaving because they care about Cavil, they are angry because Cavil was the *Snyder* Superman, and its seen as an offense against Snyder. Likewise, they aren't angry at Gunn keeping the Suicide Squad people around because of abstract fairness, they are angry because actors less connected to Snyder and his vision get to stay, which is an offense against Snyder. "Everyone must go" would at least let them pretend that this isn't ultimately all about Snyder and the harm *he* did to the DC movies.

 

[FunkMiller]

The production budget was 200M without marketing which is normally in the 100-150M range. And movie theaters keep half of the box office gross.

Where are you seeing that? Everywhere I can find has it at around the 200 million mark all in. The 185 million was initial amount put out, but I haven't seen anything saying it was more than 200 million.

 

[kguillou]

It all ultimately wraps back to Snyder. Almost nobody is angry about Cavil leaving because they care about Cavil, they are angry because Cavil was the *Snyder* Superman, and its seen as an offense against Snyder. Likewise, they aren't angry at Gunn keeping the Suicide Squad people around because of abstract fairness, they are angry because actors less connected to Snyder and his vision get to stay, which is an offense against Snyder. "Everyone must go" would at least let them pretend that this isn't ultimately all about Snyder and the harm *he* did to the DC movies.

And here's the additional thing. Even IF Cavill stayed they were still going to be upset at his new Superman film because it was going to be drastically different than Snyder's DNA. Cavill was likely going to be directed to play a much more classic Superman and not the quiet, conflicted one Snyder had cultivated. So they were going to be upset no matter what.

But, yes, by removing Henry, the one who started this whole thing, it effectively sends the official signal that Snyder's universe is over.

 

[GreenKToo]

^ yup. I'll bet a hundred bucks to anyone that THIS Superman film is gonna be bright and hopeful, and hits you right in the feels.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

But, yes, by removing Henry, the one who started this whole thing, it effectively sends the official signal that Snyder's universe is over.

Definitely. Cavill's Superman was the foundation that all the rest (for better or worse) was built on. I agree it sends a clear message.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Where are you seeing that? Everywhere I can find has it at around the 200 million mark all in. The 185 million was initial amount put out, but I haven't seen anything saying it was more than 200 million.

The production budget (in this case 185-200M depending on the source) always excludes marketing.

 

[TheVileOne]

The total budget was 185 million, including advertising. The total box office take was four times that. WB made about 380-400 million.

They will have been well happy with that ROI, for a three hour movie at the tail end of a pandemic. If every DC movie from now on does that kind of business, it will be a massive success.

Yeah $185 million after going massively over budget. $185 million and likely another $100 million for P&A.

So it very likely did break even in theaters, but not by a whole lot.

 

[TheVileOne]

Definitely. Cavill's Superman was the foundation that all the rest (for better or worse) was built on. I agree it sends a clear message.

Doing the Zack Snyder Justice League was so ridiculous. They truly thought they'd appease and quiet down the trolling fans.

 

[GreenKToo]

I imagine superman will have between a 150/200 million budget.
Gunn will hire the best FX shop available.
I'm also betting he will pull a donner and get the best actors and composer also. ( prolly some actors we'd never guess )

If for no other reason than so much is riding on this film.
He'll prolly have several private screenings to make sure it's just right before the final film is released.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Doing the Zack Snyder Justice League was so ridiculous. They truly thought they'd appease and quiet down the trolling fans.

That was never going to happen!

 

[FunkMiller]

The production budget (in this case 185-200M depending on the source) always excludes marketing.

Well, not always. And there's generally a breakdown at least somewhere out there, but yeah, if it ballooned out like that - minimal return. Shame.

Makes its shelf life a lot shorter with all the changes going on.

 

[kguillou]

Doing the Zack Snyder Justice League was so ridiculous. They truly thought they'd appease and quiet down the trolling fans.

TBH, i dont think it had anything to do with easing the Snyder trolls so much as using them to their advantage. I think Jason Kilar saw the hours of deleted Snyder footage as an easy way to give their new streaming service an exclusive "never before seen" Justice League movie at a relatively cheap discounted rate ($70 mill). For $70mill you get a "new" DC movie with new footage starring Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman. And then of course they'd use the Snyder fans online to help push it and market it. It was a business move.

 

[TheVileOne]

TBH, i dont think it had anything to do with easing the Snyder trolls so much as using them to their advantage. I think Jason Kilar saw the hours of deleted Snyder footage as an easy way to give their new streaming service an exclusive "never before seen" Justice League movie at a relatively cheap discounted rate ($70 mill). For $70mill you get a "new" DC movie with new footage starring Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman. And then of course they'd use the Snyder fans online to help push it and market it. It was a business move.

It was a bad one.

 

[TheVileOne]

funnily enough the creator of Veep, Thick of it etc is working on a hbo show called the Franchise about the makings of a superhero film franchise. I wonder if they would be allowed to mock the Warner DC mess-ups

I think they would be. Entourage did similar stuff.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I'm happy we got the Snyder Cut. One of the better DC movies imo (and Snyder's best).

 

[kguillou]

Its ironically his best received film on RT. lol

I'm happy we got it too and glad it stopped there. Snyder's plans beyond that movie did not sound very good and even more polarizing.

I am anxious to see a brand new Justice League movie with a fresh new direction.

 

[FunkMiller]

It was a bad one.

Was there ever a comprehensive sum up done of whether it was profitable or not? I'm guessing from the lack of any hard data I can find that the answer was a resounding no.

 

[kguillou]

Was there ever a comprehensive sum up done of whether it was profitable or not? I'm guessing from the lack of any hard data I can find that the answer was a resounding no.

Are ANY original streaming movies profitable? I feel like all these streaming services are just pouring hundreds of millions only to get handfuls of subscribers.